Spyke

Tax payers. They arrested 75,000 tax payers. Oddly enough if they arrested the 75,000 richest Americans, it would have a smaller negative impact on overall income tax revenue.

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lemmy.world

tHeY EnTeReD ThE CoUnTrY IlLeGaLlY So tHeY ArE CrImInAlS

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piefed.world

Entering the country illegally or staying too long is the same thing as rape and murder according to this administration.

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aceshighreply
lemmy.world

No no. 12 year olds, who are rounded up to barely legal…

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Dotard Trump blocked normal channels for claiming asylum (claiming asylum is legal), forcing people to cross to border at alternate points to escape death.

He had his ghouls then arrest them for crossing illegally. Fuck off.

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Lennsonreply
feddit.org

Technically, yes, that's illegal according to laws some people in power made up. I don't think that's the question here though. Does it make you a criminal? Because that's quite a big word and it's used to manipulate people into thinking illegals are thugs. On vacation I stole a glass from a bar that pissed me off and I got a souvenir. When I drive I also sometimes break the law. Does this make me a criminal? If so I'm pretty sure by far most people are, no matter how law obedient they seem.

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We live in a society of countless byzantine laws. It's literally impossible to obey every single law 100% of the time.

In this context, the term criminal loses all meaning.

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I'm pretty sure like 90% of the population has broken traffic laws and also drank alcohol underage at some point

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Technically, when you speed 1 mile an hour over the limit you have broken the law. It’s also a civil infraction, just like illegal immigration, in America.

I hope you never ever go over. We should send you straight to prison, no trial. You’re guilty, you law breaking fuckwad stain on society!

You’re ok with that scenario, right?

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slrpnk.net

When passports and visas were created they were widely decried as government tyranny and promised to be a temporary wartime measure. And yet now people accept them as normal.

If you think the government should control my personal freedom to travel then please justify that. Otherwise, fuck laws that infringe freedom without adequate justification.

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That's the sad part. They literally don't even need to try to justify it with the number of bootlickers nowadays.

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What would I do to save my family from violence and poverty... jump a border? Of fucking course I would.

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Either way, it’s different than what Trump was saying he was going to do. All they were talking about was violent criminals, not people that were valuable members of the community. Now that’s all they’re getting is the valuable community members.

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Please be sure to block me. If you don't understand the massive chasm between the shit you just parroted and what's actually happening with lack of due process or any kind of hearings, then I need to be on your block list.

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Not every law is just or sensible. "It's illegal" is a far weaker claim than "it's morally wrong" or similar. People conflate the two.

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dhorkreply
lemmy.world

Most people who are here without authorization entered legally and simply never left. Overstaying a visa is a serious infraction and can be grounds for being deported, but is not a crime.

So it simply isn't true to say that all these people are criminals.

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Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something

Sayonara, 13 days 👋

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kbobabobreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Arrests usually come with certain expectations such as a court date. When you're picked up off the street and then immediately moved shipped out of the country, then I'd call it kidnapping.

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But you’re not immediately shipped out of the country. How it really works isn’t much better, but it’s important to be clear about how they do this. They get taken to temporary jails which have horrible conditions and they they have legal right to appear in court. But because these courts take a long time and the jail is inhumane, many people “choose” to accept the demand of leaving the country.

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And we will never see 96.9% of them ever again. tRump and Project 2025 are killing/imprisoning/disappearing them "legally". 🤷‍♂️

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I mean, a criminal record really doesn’t mean much. Serial jaywalking by a college during the first week of summer quarter will net you plenty of citations, but I see nothing wrong with it.

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jordanlundreply
lemmy.world

Agreed, but when the messaging propaganda has been "MS13! We're going after the worst of the worst!" and the reality is arresting Abuelas with no criminal records who have been here 40 or 50 years... yeah...

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I still don’t understand how the term caught on. “Jay” is fantastic, as far as pejoratives go. It’s evocative and descriptive and just gosh darn tasty. But “jaywalker” feels like saying someone has a green thumb for construction. Just, like, what the fuck are you trying to say? It’s just an absolute abortion of a word, and my feelings on it have only grown stronger over the years. A stupid word for a stupid cause

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feddit.nl

What's the number of ICE that have been arrested for kidnappings and human traffickin?

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feddit.nl

I don't think that's true. I believe there was one guy who stole a truck and went across state boundaries?

There are probably a few that have been arrested so far, and I wish the media would report in this. The narrative should make it clear that they're criminals, yet the efforts to stop their activities are lacking

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I thought OP meant "arrested for official actions", there have been ICE members arrested for other crap, mostly due to them hiring anyone with a pulse.

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lemmy.zip

People on the right believe every immigrant is the worst of the worst. They don’t even understand the difference between a crime and a civil issue.

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No. They believe the browns came here illegally. Everyone else (white) most likely came legally.

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