“I did not come down from the gotdamn Smoky mountains, cross five thousand mile of water, fight my way through half of Sicily, and jump out of a fuckin aeroplane to teach the Nazi lessons in humanity. Nazi ain’t got no humanity. They are the foot soldiers of a Jew hatin mass murderin maniac and they need to be destroyed. That’s why any and every sumbitch we find wearing the Nazi uniform, they’re gonna die.”
I saw you at the festival standing in front of the WBC wannabes, but the flag was not blowing so we didn't see the DON'T. the guy i was with was about to yell at you (for what little good that would do, in reality), but the wind blew and we saw the DON'T.
I'm gonna be the guy to say why I don't like this.
Anytime I see someone apply dehumanizing language to a group of people -- no matter how vile -- I immediately wonder if this person is motivated by a desire to protect anything or if they are just excited to have found an outlet that allows them to indulge violent desires without jeopardizing their social standing.
This is precisely the type of message and messenger the FBI uses to infiltrate and entrap antifacists. OP, I think it's very unlikely that you're an undercover FBI informant, but you should read up about Micky Windecker, because you're wearing the uniform of an FBI informant and their targets.
Dehumanizing people for their objectively evil anddangerous, consciously chosen, and often acted upon beliefs is not comparable to dehumanizing people for their inherent, involuntary attributes.
If an ideology revolves around harming or oppressing innocent people, its followers are a threat to society and is undeserving of sympathy, compassion, or a place among us, and should be treated accordingly. People who actually act on those beliefs are even worse, and are deserving of permanent removal from society.
Democracy and human rights were only ever possible through violent struggle against authoritarian ideologies, and can only be maintained through the same. To advocate tolerance of those ideologies is to advocate the fall of civilized society.
I don't care if someone carrying a black lives matter flag tells me they support the use of violence against fascists. That's fine.
It's when someone shows up and says that harm is the priority. I have no indication from this photo what OP stands for. And so I can't help but wonder. Did he show up because he opposes Nazis? Or because he was looking for someone to hurt, and discovered that they were a permitted target? If so, I don't really care what he does to Nazis, but I can't trust that person to advance justice at all. Does that make sense?
Also, again: OP should be careful. If someone like that comes up to you and starts asking if you want to go put your money where your mouth is... they could be setting you up.
You're welcome to disregard everything I say, but please listen to season one of the podcast Alphabet Boys. It walks through, step-by-step, how a tough-talking conman named Micky Windecker collapsed the Denver antifacist scene in 2020 by taking cash from the FBI to try to talk protesters into doing or saying incriminating things and then getting them arrested. If you think you're too smart to fall for it, that might be a sign you're not.
I'm just going to direct you to look at my other responses. The TLDR is that I never said that Nazi lives matter (they don't), I said OP is giving off some signs not to let this person into your trust circle too quickly.
I used to roll with people like that and no, they are not bloodthirsty savages the way he's trying to stereotype anyone who doesn't agree with him. They're actually very patient, methodical people because they have to be. The stereotype is absurd and falls flat on its face with even a second's worth of thought applied to it.
And that's the point -- his stereotyping is not a rational argument or a good point, it's meant to remind people of propaganda on the issue they were exposed to all their lives, to trigger an emotional reaction in others, to shut down our critical thinking to lessen the likelihood we'll reject his insane demands.
It's all just fascist propaganda. That's all it's ever been.
I used to roll with people like that and no, they are not bloodthirsty savages
Fair enough, I have no doubt there are stable individuals that do it purely on the basis of protecting children, improving the community, maybe even rehabilitating the mentally ill.
I was talking more like the YouTube channel People vs. Preds, who seem to be more interested in the money and fame. They escalate for the views and then all their evidence gets denied in court for not taking proper legal steps. The comments on their videos are vile. You can't help but think some of these people are only here because this is the acceptable hate.
And that's the point -- his stereotyping is not a rational argument or a good point, it's meant to remind people of propaganda on the issue they were exposed to all their lives, to trigger an emotional reaction in others, to shut down our critical thinking to lessen the likelihood we'll reject his insane demands.
spend two seconds in a “pedophile hunter” community and tell me this isn’t true.
I was talking more like the YouTube channel People vs. Preds,
No you're not. You're backtracking when called out on a lie. Stop fucking lying.
…what demands?
Yeah, playing stupid won't work with me, chump. We both know damn well what you're doing: using every rhetorical trick in the book to stop the left adopting violence because you and I both know it's the only chance they have of stopping the fascists from taking over the country completely, and you don't want that.
Well, it's not going to work because no one here is dumb enough to fall for it, and for that I am glad.
I don't think it's bunk to say that many people join these types of communities to enact violent tendencies in a socially acceptable way. This is something that's been seen before. For example, many Italian anarchists quickly jumped over to the fascists' side when Mussolini came to power, and a common hypothesis as to why is that they initially joined the anarchists for a chance to commit violent acts in the name of revolution.
I also don't think it's far-fetched to say that it's a good idea to keep these types of people at arm's length, because it's likely you won't be able to rely on them when things start going south.
Edit: sorry, I did just see this comment is a year and a half old. Apologies on giving you a ping that long after.
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Me at Akron Pride yesterday with a spicy flag | Spyke
That’s a nice flag you’ve got there
Would be a shame if... 20 more of those flags showed up.
Even worse, imagine if you could buy stickers!
Well actually....https://www.punkwithacamera.com/products/nazi-lives-dont-matter-gun-sticker-3x3?_pos=3&_sid=638f4a99b&_ss=r
A damn shame, truly
Great that you’re there, depressing that you have to be
I'm not even a socialist, but, uh, where can I buy one?
Just a moderate who hates Nazis.
Punkwithacamera.com
Yesss! Seeing punk with a camera getting a shout out on here just made my day! He's an amazing human and deserves all the support
Doing the good work. Keep it up!
“I did not come down from the gotdamn Smoky mountains, cross five thousand mile of water, fight my way through half of Sicily, and jump out of a fuckin aeroplane to teach the Nazi lessons in humanity. Nazi ain’t got no humanity. They are the foot soldiers of a Jew hatin mass murderin maniac and they need to be destroyed. That’s why any and every sumbitch we find wearing the Nazi uniform, they’re gonna die.”
-LT Aldo Raine
-seahorse
E) Also keep up the good fight
Based AF
That's a flag I'd love to see more of
no it's akron the singer
Akron and Young Jeezy
Yeah
No, this is Patrick!
I'm a bit dense... What are those supposed to be? Rifles with bayonets?
Is there a significance to the number? (I think I counted 15?)
I believe they're ammunition, the artwork's shadowing just makes it look kind of odd at that angle.
And a very purposeful pair of trousers if you don’t mind me saying so.
https://www.fjallraven.com/us/en-us/men/trousers/trekking-trousers/vidda-pro-trousers-m-reg?c=232-625
Stunning and brave
Jesus.. With my dyslexia i read it completely wrong 💀
Hey, I was at this Pride event. Didn't see you, I'd have definitely remembered if I had.
Balls of steel
I saw you at the festival standing in front of the WBC wannabes, but the flag was not blowing so we didn't see the DON'T. the guy i was with was about to yell at you (for what little good that would do, in reality), but the wind blew and we saw the DON'T.
i like the cut of your jib, sir.
Thanks! Welcome to midwest.social! Believe it or not I run/maintain this site.
I salute you.
I'm gonna be the guy to say why I don't like this.
Anytime I see someone apply dehumanizing language to a group of people -- no matter how vile -- I immediately wonder if this person is motivated by a desire to protect anything or if they are just excited to have found an outlet that allows them to indulge violent desires without jeopardizing their social standing.
This is precisely the type of message and messenger the FBI uses to infiltrate and entrap antifacists. OP, I think it's very unlikely that you're an undercover FBI informant, but you should read up about Micky Windecker, because you're wearing the uniform of an FBI informant and their targets.
Dehumanizing people for their objectively evil anddangerous, consciously chosen, and often acted upon beliefs is not comparable to dehumanizing people for their inherent, involuntary attributes.
If an ideology revolves around harming or oppressing innocent people, its followers are a threat to society and is undeserving of sympathy, compassion, or a place among us, and should be treated accordingly. People who actually act on those beliefs are even worse, and are deserving of permanent removal from society.
Democracy and human rights were only ever possible through violent struggle against authoritarian ideologies, and can only be maintained through the same. To advocate tolerance of those ideologies is to advocate the fall of civilized society.
I think you've misread my comment.
I don't care if someone carrying a black lives matter flag tells me they support the use of violence against fascists. That's fine.
It's when someone shows up and says that harm is the priority. I have no indication from this photo what OP stands for. And so I can't help but wonder. Did he show up because he opposes Nazis? Or because he was looking for someone to hurt, and discovered that they were a permitted target? If so, I don't really care what he does to Nazis, but I can't trust that person to advance justice at all. Does that make sense?
Also, again: OP should be careful. If someone like that comes up to you and starts asking if you want to go put your money where your mouth is... they could be setting you up.
You're welcome to disregard everything I say, but please listen to season one of the podcast Alphabet Boys. It walks through, step-by-step, how a tough-talking conman named Micky Windecker collapsed the Denver antifacist scene in 2020 by taking cash from the FBI to try to talk protesters into doing or saying incriminating things and then getting them arrested. If you think you're too smart to fall for it, that might be a sign you're not.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/alphabet-boys/id1668980612
He has sort of a point buried deep in there; He's just not making it well.
Partly that any press is good press. Nazis are (still) a small enough subculture that it's not worth advertising them as the main counterculture.
Here at tolerance camp, intolerance will not be tolerated.
I'm just going to direct you to look at my other responses. The TLDR is that I never said that Nazi lives matter (they don't), I said OP is giving off some signs not to let this person into your trust circle too quickly.
I get why people are dunking on this but for real, spend two seconds in a "pedophile hunter" community and tell me this isn't true.
I used to roll with people like that and no, they are not bloodthirsty savages the way he's trying to stereotype anyone who doesn't agree with him. They're actually very patient, methodical people because they have to be. The stereotype is absurd and falls flat on its face with even a second's worth of thought applied to it.
And that's the point -- his stereotyping is not a rational argument or a good point, it's meant to remind people of propaganda on the issue they were exposed to all their lives, to trigger an emotional reaction in others, to shut down our critical thinking to lessen the likelihood we'll reject his insane demands.
It's all just fascist propaganda. That's all it's ever been.
Fair enough, I have no doubt there are stable individuals that do it purely on the basis of protecting children, improving the community, maybe even rehabilitating the mentally ill.
I was talking more like the YouTube channel People vs. Preds, who seem to be more interested in the money and fame. They escalate for the views and then all their evidence gets denied in court for not taking proper legal steps. The comments on their videos are vile. You can't help but think some of these people are only here because this is the acceptable hate.
...what demands?
No you're not. You're backtracking when called out on a lie. Stop fucking lying.
Yeah, playing stupid won't work with me, chump. We both know damn well what you're doing: using every rhetorical trick in the book to stop the left adopting violence because you and I both know it's the only chance they have of stopping the fascists from taking over the country completely, and you don't want that.
Well, it's not going to work because no one here is dumb enough to fall for it, and for that I am glad.
I don't think it's bunk to say that many people join these types of communities to enact violent tendencies in a socially acceptable way. This is something that's been seen before. For example, many Italian anarchists quickly jumped over to the fascists' side when Mussolini came to power, and a common hypothesis as to why is that they initially joined the anarchists for a chance to commit violent acts in the name of revolution.
I also don't think it's far-fetched to say that it's a good idea to keep these types of people at arm's length, because it's likely you won't be able to rely on them when things start going south.
Edit: sorry, I did just see this comment is a year and a half old. Apologies on giving you a ping that long after.