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Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 30th November 2025 - awful.systems

Want to wade into the sandy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

https://awful.systems/post/6299329Open linkView original on awful.systems

From the r/SunoAI subreddit: "Sick of having to come up with prompts".

Hey y’all, looking for some tips here. I like what I’ve made so far with Suno but now I’m kind of hitting a wall with ideas for prompts. Why doesn’t Suno also have a feature to write prompts for you? Like just hit a button the says “new prompt” and then hit make song when it comes up with something that sounds interesting! Thoughts?

(Via Dan of the Year.)

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Next step: "I'm sick of having to press the 'new prompt' button, why doesn't ..."

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See also goth/industrial music. The latter also has (like metal) a bit of a sexism issue.

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awful.systems

Noted on Bluesky:

Tomorrow Grimes will DJ a livestream of immortality influencer Bryan Johnson tripping on shrooms to determine its effect on longevity. Mr. Beast and the CEO of Salesforce will be there too.

Now, folks out there are calling this a Biblically accurate blunt rotation, but to be fair, it's missing Aella.

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I was tempted to gawk but then I realised... the guy's just going to see some shapes in the light and it's going to be boring as shit

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froztbytereply
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(not in any way meaning to stan the weirdo) at that dosage it might be more than that, but also it’s ??? to me to consider taking that much while also being exposed to a bunch of people like that around me

and that it’s even the dosage it is feels like it tells you a hell of a lot about the extent of his baseline intake too

these creeps are doing a better job at antidrug messaging than any propaganda I ever saw

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

I dont know much about dosage numbers etc, care to mention a bit more how much is normal and how much he is off the baseline?

(I just recall some old friends who once tried shrooms and didnt seem to notice much so they went to a disco and for one of them it hit at the middle of the dancefloor so he stood there like a statue (the guy was also tall and a metalhead, so quite a sight). And before it became illegal (some tourist got himself killed by using shrooms and drinking and they blamed the shrooms) to give others spores or something I managed to get some from someone as a promo/anarchist thing. Never did anything with them).

(Fine if you dont want to, or if talking about it exposes you/others to risk etc, dont. Just curious).

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

I dont know much about dosage numbers etc, care to mention a bit more how much is normal and how much he is off the baseline?

"normal" is a bit of a fucked term when dealing with this stuff, in part because we really don’t have good human-wide data (hi can you see what ghoulfuck is playing off of?). why don't we have that? oh y'know that entire little multidecade war on drugs things perpetetrated by the selfsame government that is......[...breathe]

that said, psychonautwiki is a more informative starting point than I could concisely be. that also said, part of the fucky bit is that you get different strains of shrooms, with different effective concentrations of psychoactive compounds (eg psilocybin cubensis vs psilocybin cyanescens)

beyond that, I don't really think that awful is a place for psychedelic discussion (and I wouldn't try to make it one). there are often conversations to be had, but here ain't the where

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

Thanks! And of course there is a wiki for it.

E: unrelated to the talks about shrooms. Didn't Grimes talk to Aella about how they felt cheated by people around them who were a lot more evil than they pretended to be, wonder why this doesn't seem to have caused a change of heart/scenery.

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

re your edit: it hasn’t changed because those words are just a front, a way to try save face as they get caught out with their bullshit. both of them have a choice, and have had a choice this whole time. they keep choosing to be where they are, what they say

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sh.itjust.works

That's about twice a 'normal dose' and in the realm of what Terrence McKenna would call a 'heroic dose'.

Mushrooms vary a lot in real potency but at that level of dosage ego death is almost guaranteed, and it's likely that the user will spend at least 30 minutes to an hour unable to articulate language.

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awful.systems

it’s likely that the user will spend at least 30 minutes to an hour unable to articulate language.

This presumes Johnson was able to articulate language in the first place, which given that his brain has melted at an incredible pace since 2020 may be a bit of a stretch.

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This doubly disappoints me because in a professional capacity I strive for being incredibly intentional and accurate while recreationally I aspire to shitposting, and "more accurate than most" satisfies neither. I really need to get my blood boy to write better material.

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I love the phrase ego death because everyone I've heard describe the experience sounds like the most egotistical mf in the universe with how impressed they are by their own self-enlightenment.

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

Btw, im a bit afraid to ask, as I should actually have googled this first (but I'm also becoming weary of google, tried to find some code related things yday and it was giving me wild results, it used to be better at that), but is there a sort of guide on blacksky, like what does joining one of those sites imply (I think I should join the 'blacksky for non-poc' variant, at least I got that was a thing) but how well does it interact with the main bsky, how easy is it to switch, consequences for interactions/follows/followers, etc etc. Anybody have a guide on that? In an attempt to migrate away more from bsky which is making a few questionable moderation decisions. (I also know that due to how the whole system is setup, migrating doesn't actually get you away from those decisions, so I'm also asking out of curiosity, so take that into account regarding how much effort to put into my question, also means ignoring/not reacting is fine. Just shooting a shot, and trying to be clear about intentions, and my feelings re reactions).

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link

article link

::: spoiler transcript Graham Linehan is a normal and well man.

A few hours later, he sends me an example of how he’s been using AI. It’s a “hidden role deduction” game he’s working on. At the top is the prompt he put into ChatGPT: “You are five blind lesbian adventurers out for a good night out. Slaying dragons and whatnot. But one of your number is a hulking great troll pretending to be a woman. Find the troll lesbian and then devise an amusing punishment without giving him an erection. :::

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jonhendryreply
awful.systems

oh no

He followed his friends Andrew Doyle and Martin Gourlay, formerly of GB News, over here. They were hired by US comic actor Rob Schneider’s production company and put in a word for Linehan. He moved in March and works for Schneider too. Having co-created Father Ted in the 1990s and created The IT Crowd in the 00s, Linehan is co-creating a sitcom called Tenure – “Our academics are like Father Ted academics: they’re very old and musty” – with Doyle, Gourlay and British comedian Jonathan Kogan. They’ve written eight episodes.

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coming soon to whatever remains of CBS with an introductory 1 hour lecture by Bari Weiss

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

Yeah thats a kink. There prob are a bunch of sexworkers he could hire who could help him with that.

E: forgot to mention, a sexworker even confirmed this is a kink.

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

I don’t think sex workers should be tasked with society offloading glinner

glinner should fucking suck less

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Certainly. Some might want to take his service however, not going to speak for them. But doubt he would be a good client, nor that he would pass the vibe check for any who didn't already knew who he was. So not sure if he is even able (also doubt he is mentally able as he sees women too much as objects to he saved/protected vs actual people).

But yes sorry if that came off as offloading societies problems on swx workers.

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Bloomberg covers the disastrous impact of AI upon food recipes, while still putting an "AI overview" on the top of the page...

In interviews, 22 independent food creators said that AI-generated “recipe slop” is distorting nearly every way people find cooking advice online, damaging their businesses while causing consumers to waste time and money.

Across the internet, writers say their vetted recipes are hidden by the flood. Pinterest feeds are stuffed with AI-generated images of food that the attached instructions won’t achieve; Google’s AI Overviews surface error-filled cooking steps that siphon away clicks from professionals. Meanwhile, Facebook content farms use AI-generated images of supposedly delicious but impossible dishes to the top of people’s feeds, in an attempt to turn any clicks into ad revenue.

All of this, food bloggers say, erodes the simple promise of a recipe: that someone has actually cooked it before you have. To Gargano, this is the core issue. “No matter how clever the AI is,” she said in a recent interview, “it can never actually test a recipe in a real kitchen and see how it works.”

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For Carrie Forrest, who runs Clean Eating Kitchen, AI has been devastating: 80% of her traffic — and her revenue — has disappeared in two years. Although the views started dropping when OpenAI’s ChatGPT was released, it wasn’t until Google launched AI Mode in search that her traffic collapsed, she said. Since then, she’s gone from employing about ten people to letting everyone go. “I’m going to have to find something else to do.”

This holiday season is on track to be Forrest’s slowest in years. She fears that if more content creators give up, the AI won’t have new content to draw from — except content generated by AI. It may get to a point where “AI is just talking to itself,” and home cooks are gambling with the results, she said.

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I think we already lost the plot when we started relying on a centralized entity (Google) to "index the world's information and make it useful". Ad-tech already fucked up all of the incentives, making recipe sites fill their pages with bullshit in hopes of wiping my eyeballs with messages from third parties hungry for attention. I fucking hate this world.

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swlabrreply
awful.systems

JFC, man. Fuck this snivelling weasel. I read the whole thing. How dare he even suggest he has a fleck of humility in his being. He goes in saying he submitted his changes as an RFC instead of a pull request, but goes balls deep on trying to defend his work as worthy of submitting. Utter bullshit.

Some quotes:

My explicit statement of having "no desire to actually learn about the Mesa code-base" was not seen as a gesture of honest humility,

“I have no intent on understanding this codebase that I’m 100% sure I’ve created a good change for, be grateful, peasants.”

also, him, explicitly not a developer, spake thusly:

This sentiment exposes the raw nerve of the open-source world: developer burnout.

vibe codes once I am become jeff, coder at google

Finally, this massive turd:

The Mesa project's updated contributor guidelines, which now demand that any submitter of AI-assisted code must understand it as if they wrote it themselves, has been lauded by some as a pragmatic solution. I contend it is a policy of convenience, a blunt instrument designed not to solve a complex problem, but to legislate it out of existence. It is a fortress wall built to protect the status quo, and while it may offer the illusion of security, it does so at the cost of innovation and by silencing a new and potentially valuable class of contributors. The discussion should not end here, with a policy that prioritizes procedural purity over measurable progress. The true challenge has been misdiagnosed; the pathology is not the "user with an AI," but a rigid, legacy process that lacks the antibodies to handle a new form of discovery.

Honestly this guy should just start his own fucking codebase where him and his promptfondling circlejerk buddies can vibecode bricks together.

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

Yeah I was reminded of this guy by some posts on bsky, and mentioned there I didn't want to link to him directly because I don't think that kind of stuff is nice and just leads to harassment, but reading those two new blog posts really made me doubt that for a moment. (Of course only posting it here is a good alternative, looking back at the old posts I had also forgotten that he just was a weird conservative).

I also found the part where he said 'I even labeled it as an experiment' quite annoying, that he doesn't realize that this doesn't matter at all. The developers still need to evaluate it like any normal post, and he didn't even ask them permission to do the experiment.

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swlabrreply
awful.systems

"I even labeled it as an experiment. A social experiment, some might say. I'm saying it was just a prank, bro. But really you're the bad person because you were mean to me." This is DARVO, right?

You're right that sharing this stuff leads to harassment, at least a lot of the time. I have no interest in personally engaging with this fuck.

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

I'm esp weary of sharing stuff like this on a place like bsky, esp when I was just replying to others being a bit annoyed at people doing LLM based PRs. Hope people here have better self control at not actually going after people.

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One would hope! Don’t piss in the popcorn, as they say. Also, don’t do any stupid shit that might cause more work for our glorious admins, i.e. leave a trail of breadcrumbs back to awful.systems.

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Reading him downtalking over Mesa compiler core and Vulkan programmer Faith Ekstrand is one of the most infuriating things I've ever read. I had to stop before I started emanating cartoon fumes. I think this guy has invented a new low: the vibe-mansplaining, which leverages the inherently mansplainy nature of LLMs to put down an actual woman on her topic of expertise.

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Maybe he doesn't (can't ?) understand who much of Software Development is filled with time-wasting, pursuing dead-ends. I'm not sure if there's a good analogy for a law practice, pouring hours into trying to apply a legal code that is no longer in force?

He does seem very sure of his own rightousness, the problem is "Developer Burnout" not "Substandard Submissions". What does he even envision when expressing a desire for more "Human-centric" development that incorporates "LLMs"? Is it just grandstanding word salad?

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Going to apply the same level of respect he has for software dev on law. Lawyers bill by the hour, it’s completely the opposite of software development.

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@zogwarg awful goose meme, but with the goose pursuing the dude and asking the question “so what are the reasons for developers' burnout, lawyer dude? what are the reasons for developers' burnout?”

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the obnoxious self-aggrandizement is dripping all over the text, not the least of which when he conceptualizes himself as a part of a "new and potentially valuable class of contributors", as if the addition of a slop-generator can transform the layperson into someone capable of contributing to a complex software project. but that's old news. here's what's getting me now:

For a project like Mesa, which uses the permissive MIT license, accidentally incorporating a snippet of code that carries the "viral" obligations of the GPL could potentially trigger a legal catastrophe. Faith Ekstrand drove this point home with a chillingly practical example: "If we piss off Nvidia and they sue us, the project is over. It doesn't matter whether or not we can theoretically win."

this is a legal issue -- this should be Seyfarth's home turf! obviously he can't code and has a sneering contempt for anyone who learns to do so, but in this micro-instance, giving an informed legal opinion on how this issue could be handled would actually be in the Mesa project's best interests! let's see how he

However this is a hypothetical scenario and there are several ways to mitigate such legal risks. Most projects already shift the legal burden to the contributor. The project still has to reject any code that openly violates the licensing terms, but if such violations are not obvious, there is little legal risk to the project itself.

"it wouldn't happen, and even if it did, you could just try to sacrifice your individual developers to NVIDIA one at a time and hope that makes them go away." great cool thank you. this is the best you've got with your legal background. fantastic. what an utter tool

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what i got from reading this is that it's not X, but Y.

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ebureply
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ooh, just found out he has a post tripling down. it's a rather rich text, maybe could stand to be its own post on techtakes

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And all of this over a local 1% speed increase. Which he imagines just works just as well for everyone else. (I noted the Rationalism style, calculate this minor increase over all potential (imagined) users to make it into a big thing bit as well).

And his source for the increase? He played two games. (One of which was cyberpunk, which iirc can be weird re gpu optimizations, so it isn't even a reliable indication).

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Semi-relevant, Matthew Garrett has won a court case against the kooks running Techrights:

https://nondeterministic.computer/@mjg59/115581959497817474

About the only positive thing you can say about Schestowitz (and probably his wife) is that they are rabidly anti-AI, but that is only because they are also rabidly against anyone who does not subscribe to their personal purity-test vision of Free Software (basically it's them, RMS, and maybe his parrot).

I have an unhealthy interest in them, because during the Andrew Lee putsch they were basically on his side, until he fucked even them, and I kinda drifted into their IRC server to see what was up. It was my unwelcome introduction to the toxic underbelly of FLOSS, with rampant RMS-worship, misogyny, racism and incipient techno-fascism. I ducked out quite quickly.

Tellingly, Techrights is all in on the Gemini protocol.

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I never heard of Techrights before, they seem rather unhinged, but I had a good laugh when I saw this article about Lunduke. Not even the floss fundamentalists like Lundukes flavor of racist Linux "journalism".

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fullsquarereply
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people out there signing off shit like that with their online presence that wouldn't be waterboarded out of anyone 15 years ago

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The rise of social media has made people disturbingly willing to give out extremely personal info/secrets. Jesus.

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Dont start hoaxes

As a confession, I did that once, made up a fictional thing. The page lived for quite a long time. Untill somebody outside of my circle saw the orphaned page and promptly (and rightfully) deleted it. Was 20 years ago or so however.

It was so orphaned it didnt even get indexed by search engines.

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antifuchsreply
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Lmao imagine reading a Stephenson book and being peeved that it ends

(His sex scenes are far far far worse than his endings, those are a mercy)

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geriksonreply
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oh yeah the relationship between the fusion-device wielding 30-something Aluetian freedom fighter and the 16 year old skateboard courier in Snow Crash is... of its time

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We were reading through various classics for bookclub and we noticed how many books had a ~14 year old girl has romantic/sexual relationship/gets abused by 30+ year old man. Snow Crash was one of those. I know popular thinking on this has changed a lot the past 20+ years but still always a shock, esp when you realize how much you didnt notice it.

Also a reason why the first evil dead aged very badly. Dont show that to people without warning them unless you want them to leaf.

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Yup that’s one of them. The cryptonomicon protagonist no-nut-Novembering all the way to the ww2 treasure is another special fave

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Years ago, I said, "I've never finished a Stephenson novel." Someone replied, "Neither has he."

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nfultzreply
awful.systems

Best part is the footnote:

About 20 years ago, some spammers came up with a bright idea for circumventing spam filters: they took a bootleg copy of my book Cryptonomicon and chopped it up into paragraph-length fragments, then randomly appended one such fragment to the end of each spam email they sent out. As you can imagine, this was surreal and disorienting for me when pitches for herbal Viagra and the like started landing in my Inbox with chunks of my own literary output stuck onto the ends. Come to think of it, most of those fragments actually did stop in mid-sentence, so I guess if today’s LLMs trained on old email archives it would explain why they “think” I write that way.

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swlabrreply
awful.systems

Andreessen Horowitz? More like, And here’s some horse shit

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Someone in the comments found the github (??) where they made the site or something, and it def was generated initially, but it used heavy nerd speak so it was translated.

"Warning: his endings are notoriously abrupt, like a segfault in the middle of your favorite function."

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aspraggreply
ohai.social

@gerikson @BlueMonday1984

Hypothesis 3: As some people seem to insist, "literally" has recently morphed into a contronym, and now it figuratively also means "figuratively".

...sorry, I meant it literally also means "figuratively".

...no, wait, that's just the same thing. 🙄 It *actually* also means "figuratively".

(Really? People couldn't find a better new word to provide emphasis than "literally"? What word do they want to unambiguously represent that concept now? Do they care? Ugh...)

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What word do they want to unambiguously represent that concept now?

"Literally, not figuratively", said in a Sterling Archer voice.

The use of literally in a fashion that is hyperbolic or metaphoric is not new—evidence of this use dates back to 1769. Its inclusion in a dictionary isn't new either; the entry for literally in our 1909 unabridged dictionary states that the word is “often used hyperbolically; as, he literally flew.”

Merriam-Webster

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bitofhopereply
awful.systems

It seems really common for words for factuality to become intensifiers. I just used the word "really" as an intensifier, thought it really means things occurring in reality. "Very" had the same thing happen to it, as it originally meant "truthfully" (as in "verify" or "verity"). If I say something is "truly massive", am I likely specifying the massiveness is not imaginary in some sense, or am I trying to convey massiveness beyond the lower bounds of "massive"? Is a "proper banger" of a tune distinct from an improper banger or is it just a highly bangerful banger?

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

truly massive

fuzzy logic says this thing has mass most of the time, ish

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(Really? People couldn’t find a better new word to provide emphasis than “literally”? What word do they want to unambiguously represent that concept now? Do they care? Ugh…)

Bit late to tilt at this windmill tbh. Prescriptivist pedantry is prohibited past puberty. This was decreed by Maximilian D. English (the D stands for dictionary) in 1727. I don’t make the rules (MDE does)

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tom sawyer literally rolling in wealth

but he never helps huck finn out financially?

pretty shit story, mark

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

kinda impressive that "Factor Fexcectorn" shows up twice, imagine how many credits were offered on the pyre of context management

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awful.systems

Factor Fexcectorn sounds like a Roman centurion who tried to improve the army's logistics by hitching multiple wagons together in sequence.

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swlabrreply
awful.systems

I was thinking Factor Fexcectorn was the name of a furry OC, with an extensive backstory and a surprising amount of commissioned art. Fits in a fantasy or sci fi setting or both. Oh god am I writing an OC

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

Oh god am I writing an OC

the ao3 submission form calls you forth

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The Fexcectorns are a storied family of fox-unicorn hybrids NO STOP GET OUT OF MY HEAD

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nightskyreply
awful.systems

"K9: scom", just need to figure out what scom is.

But my favorite part is in the upper left, the brain that just says "Autism" and "Autism" around it.

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for years the human experience has vastly exceeded the codifications of mere simplistic scientist narrative, and it has long been known that the standard model was all wrong. in this essay I will

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Wow. Quantum nature of autism confirmed. And people say the slop machines can’t do science...

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hey siri can you write me a nothing paper that combines two popular topics that are easy to bullshit about

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I'm the left leg clipping through the table. Also, i like how x axis on lower left chart is out of order

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awful.systems

And whilst we’re in that liminal space where no-one reads the old stubstack but the new one hasn’t yet surfaced, here’s an article about the ghastly state of it project management around the world, with a brief reference to ai which grabbed my attention, and made me read the rest, even though it isn’t about ai at all.

Few IT projects are displays of rational decision-making from which AI can or should learn.

it doesn’t get any cheerier, and wraps up with

It may be a forlorn request, but surely it is time the IT community stops repeatedly making the same ridiculous mistakes it has made since at least 1968, when the term “software crisis” was coined

Oof.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/it-management-software-failures

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That’s pretty long and you should definitely repost it in the next sack. I lightly skimmed it and will read it in full later.

RE, the LLM of it all: Wonder how many times this has already happened:

“AI, please invent a new project management ideology for me, improving on agile and waterfall!”

“Certainly. Here’s AgileFall, a linear combination of the two. What the fuck were you expecting here?”

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Ziz was arraigned on Monday, according to The Baltimore Banner. She apparently was not very cooperative:

As the judge asked basic questions such as whether she had read the indictment and understood the maximum possible penalties, [Ziz] LaSota chided the “mock proceedings” and said [US Magistrate Douglas R.] Miller was a “participant in an organized crime ring” led by the “states united in slavery.”

She pulled the Old Man from Scene 24 gag:

Please state your name for the record, the court clerk said. “Justice,” she replied. What is your age? “Timeless.” What year were you born? “I have been born many times.”

The lawyers have accepted that sometimes a defendant is uncooperative:

Prosecutors said the federal case would take about three days to try. Defense attorney Gary Proctor, in an apparent nod to how long what should have been a perfunctory appearance on Monday ended up taking, called the estimate “overly optimistic.”

Folks outside the USA should be reassured that this isn't the first time that we've tried somebody with a loose grasp of reality and a found family of young violent women who constantly disrupt the trial; Ziz isn't likely to walk away.

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She wants to be a martyr so bad, doesn't she? She desperately needs to be punished for the sake of her beliefs (and the things she did made others do). All for the great cause of… uh… y'know, the important thing she's being silenced for. Things like that.

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awful.systems

it happened again, I Posted. dash of thread to it too. some of y’all may enjoy

and yes that capital P is load bearing

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JFranekreply
awful.systems

I have some thoughts about this goober (Simon Willison) that I need to get out of my head:

First the positives:

  • I think he's actually an experienced software engineer.
  • I think he care to check and test the LLM output.

But, by his own admission:

  • He uses LLM for tasks he knows well (So easier to check and little negative impact on learning)
  • He works mostly on hobby projects (so no obligation to actually maintain the stuff)
  • He can choose to not use new libraries (which in a professional setting is not always a luxury you can afford)

Tl;dr: an experienced dev who uses clankers to churn out tons of technically functional hobby software and thinks this gives him right to speak for all software engineers.

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geriksonreply
awful.systems

He's also found a lucrative niche being the "serious" AI booster. No doubt he gets something from it, if nothing else consulting work.

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

i haven’t tried to spend thought on the why of his posting (I have better thoughts I can waste time on), but if you’re right about the points you guess on then I argue his position and actions are even more fucking dangerous (because those won’t shine through easily to those of lesser experience unless very specifically be made to show with care and forethought)

either way, he remains muted in my feed. for being interminably tiresome and annoying as fuck.

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JFranekreply
awful.systems

I have better thoughts I can waste time on

Me too. Unfortunately I don't get to pick my intrusive thoughts.

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Me too. Unfortunately I don’t get to pick my intrusive thoughts.

Heh

there's one for the comeback vault

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awful.systems

So I got jumpscared recently by that couple. I was listening to one of my many favourite podcasts, Threedom, when on the most recent episode, "I Definitely Tuned Out and I Agree With You", this exchange happened, starting around 44 minutes, give or take 10 for ads.

::: spoiler spoiler tagged exchange, in case you are a pisspig* and don't want spoilers. Context: the hosts are talking about how they value fostering their children's expressive abilities, even if that means their children do things like scream in inappropriate situations.

Scott: I guess what I'm trying to say is that some parents would look at us, and say, like, "oh, you're not teaching them how to act in social situations or whatever,"

Paul: Yes, you should slap them across the face, in the store.

Scott: Who was that... that... that, like, person who... there's some parent out there that thinks that you need to like have a million kids or whatever and uh, and a paper writer followed them around and he just smacked his kid right in front of the paper writ-, er... the journalist? Uh, anyway...

Lauren: Paper writer?

Scott: Yeah, sorry, sorry, Journalist.

Paul: Couldn't sound more specific, and yet I don't know.

Tried too hard transcribing this and still feel like I did a bad job.

Anyway, gosh, congrats to them on their extreme success in being platformed. Couldn't have been a more deserving couple. /s

*pisspig is the name given to a fan of the podcast Threedom. The fans picked the name, the hosts aren't really sure why.

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This bounced off of the earlier stub about LLM recipes to create a new cooking show: Chef Jippity. The contestants are all sous chefs at a new restaurant, with the head of the kitchen being some dumbass who blindly follows the instructions of an LLM. Can you work around the robot to create edible food or will Chef Jippity run this whole thing into the ground and lose everyone their jobs? Find out Thursday on Food Network!

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In French, ChatGPT sounds like « Chatte, j'ai pété » meaning "Pussy, I farted".

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awful.systems

Fourth episode of our podcast about historical misogynist and bigoted texts, odium symposium, is out now. We discuss classic british racist enoch powell and his “rivers of blood” speech.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/144105193

(it should be available on every platform)

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Finally had a chance to listen, continuing to enjoy it greatly and commenting here in liu of having patreon money.

I feel like some of what you talk about with Powell's libertarian economics contrasting with his racist cultural chauvinism seems to tie in with our good friends in silicon valley and the way their libertarianism seems to have moved so swiftly into technofascism and getting on board with The Guy. Being openly racist appears to have been almost like the missing piece that ties it into an internally consistent political project.

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ooh it's too bad we've already recorded the next episode because this comment would 100% have made it into the discussion (about half the episode is a breakdown of sartre's theory of the bigot's psychology). what you're saying about loud and proud racism as an internal integrative element makes so much sense to me. economic libertarians want to dissolve the state and that's in tension with their (economic, emotional, whatever) reliance on the state. you can resolve the dissonance of that contradiction by making it your mission to organize society along racial lines

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just found out about the incredibly dystopian US prison "ADX"

Inside the federal supermax tucked away in Colorado’s high desert, prisoners spend 22 to 24 hours a day locked alone inside concrete cells that are smaller than a standard parking space. The prison, formally called United States Penitentiary Florence Administrative Maximum Facility but better known as ADX, has earned the nickname “The Alcatraz of the Rockies” because of its harsh conditions.

Contact with others is extremely limited; programming, such as anger management or religious services, is broadcast over televisions in the cells, while psychological evaluations happen through the steel doors. Belongings are also strictly limited and prisoners aren’t allowed to hang photographs or drawings on their walls. Exercise time out the cell happens alone inside large cages called “dog runs”, where prisoners can only walk a few paces each direction. Prisoners are given virtual reality goggles to simulate the outdoors or community. A former warden once called ADX a “clean version of hell,” and said that living there was “far much worse than death.” Olympic Park bomber Eric Robert Rudolph and Ramzi Yousef, mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, are both incarcerated at ADX.

https://boltsmag.org/death-row-clemency-adx-supermax/

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Noted for the amusing headline: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-03506-6

Major AI conference flooded with peer reviews written fully by AI Controversy has erupted after 21% of manuscript reviews for an international AI conference were found to be generated by artificial intelligence.

Do note that it appears to be an advert for ai peer review detection services, but I was still tickled by the whole “why are there leopards at our face-eating conference” surprise being expressed.

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Robin Hanson has a sneerworthy level of hubris that has lead to him falling for all sorts of BS over the years (he's long argued that being an economist makes him more rational and better at working out the truth than domain experts at all fields of science, apparently because only economists have heard of incentives) but I was still surprised to learn he's now a UFO conspiracy nut.

Presumably he caught some History channel rerun of Ancient Aliens and was struck by how much more plausible it was than his "Age of Em" theory.

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What's more plausible, that I made a bad assumption in my fermi estimation or that all the world's governments have been undertaking the most wildly successful coverup for nearly a century with no leaks or failures? Clearly the latter.

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Also credulously reiterating Trump's stupid "Department of War" rebrand... makes me think his writing is narrowly targeted at a certain group

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The fucking bubble is bursting.

Doubt it, like cryptocurrencies, it will be kept on life support a lot longer and even more and more parts of the economy will be sacrificed to it.

Not that I disagree with the rest of the article btw. Im just annoyed at people claiming the bubble is bursting every time nvidia has 5% stock price reduction that is back to 0 the day after. So im lashing out due to that.

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No idea if it was intentional given how long a series' production cycle can be before it ends up on tv/streaming, but it's hard not to see Vince Gilligan's Pluribus as a weird extended impact-of-chatbots metaphor.

It's also somewhat tedious and seems to be working under the assumption that cool cinematography is a sufficient substitute for character development.

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BB and BCS were both kinda slow burns IMO. That’s not to say the new show is worth holding onto (haven’t seen it), just commenting on the trend.

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FFS so many promptfondlers and gish-gallopers in there. Echoes of pro-crapto (can't criticize if you don't buy in, use case is coming bro, it's actually decentralized)

Edit the worst thing isnt't the number of fondlers, it's the upvotes they're getting.

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@BlueMonday1984 i see that deactivating my lobster account was the best decision i made this week. (what triggered the decision was, of course, ronacher who wasn't even slapped on the wrists for his very open support of a white supremacist.)

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Promptfans still can't get over the Erdős problems. Thankfully, even r/singularity has somehow become resistant to the most overhyped claims. I don't think I need to comment on this one.

Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1pag5mp/aristotle_from_harmonicmath_just_proved_erdos/

::: spoiler alt text (original claim) We are on the cusp of a profound change in the field of mathematics. Vibe proving is here.

Aristotle from @HarmonicMath just proved Erdos Problem #124 in @leanprover, all by itself. This problem has been open for nearly 30 years since conjectured in the paper “Complete sequences of sets of integer powers” in the journal Acta Arithmetica.

Boris Alexeev ran this problem using a beta version of Aristotle, recently updated to have stronger reasoning ability and a natural language interface.

Mathematical superintelligence is getting closer by the minute, and I’m confident it will change and dramatically accelerate progress in mathematics and all dependent fields.


:::

::: spoiler alt text (comments) Gcd conditions removed, still great, but really hate the way people shill their stuff without any rigor to explaining the process. A lot of things become very easy when you remove a simple condition. Heck reimann hypothesis is technically solved for function fields over finite fields. But nowadays in the age of hype, a tweet post would probably say “Reimann hypothesis oneshotted by AI” even though that’s not true.

Gcd conditions removed

So they didn't solve the actual problem?


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Stuff like this is particularly frustrating because this is one of they places where I have to grudgingly admit that llm coding assistants could actually deliver… it turns out that having to state a problem unambiguously and having a way in which answers can be automatically checked for correctness means that you don’t have to worry about bullshit engines bullshitting you so much.

No llm is going to give good answers to “solve the riemann hypothesis in the style of euler, cantor, tao, 4k 8k big boobies do not hallucinate” and for everything else the problem then becomes “can you formally specify the parameters of your problem such that correct solutions are unambiguous” and now you need your professional mathematicians and computer scientists and cryptographers still…

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jlai.lu

https://iceberg.mit.edu/report.pdf "We simulated 131 million human beings using LLMs and found 11% of jobs could be done by AI instead of humans" I can't tell what's real with LLMs anymore. I wonder if that's the point.

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nfultzreply
awful.systems

He somehow did an ad read in the middle of a substack post. Sign of the times.

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That he's being sponsored by DeleteMe is oddly fitting in its own right. Were it not for surveillance capitalism relentlessly stealing personal data and invading people's privacy, its services would be completely unnecessary.

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awful.systems

Based Linux is another non-Woke option if you want a Debian based system that supports systemd, Wayland, XLibre and the GNU tools.

Do... do you think he realizes that Debian is "woke"?

Also I wonder what his beef with Rust is? Is Rust woke?

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nightskyreply
awful.systems

Also I wonder what his beef with Rust is? Is Rust woke?

I've seen this before. There is a special type of person out there who feels emasculated (yeah it's always men, isn't it) by the idea of a language statically enforcing memory-safety. Because, you know, real men write C or C++ with no safety rope and no seatbelt, juggling with raw pointers and chainsaws with their bare hands. They think that the only reason why C/C++ has produced an infinite abundance of bugs and security holes is because other programmers just suck. But they are different, they can handle it, they are very clever after all. And they won't let some wusses take away their powers with all these ideas of memory safety by design.

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awful.systems

As a C++ programmer some Rust people can come on a little strong, as if I've never thought about the importance of memory safety before and don't know how to write secure code (well excuse me for building on top of decades of libraries that no one thought to write in rust in the '80s).

But that's normal programmer flame war stuff. Rust people tend to be young and enthusiastic about security which is all good.

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swlabrreply
awful.systems

pretty much every programming language discussion I’ve ever been in has at least one person come in with a chip on their shoulder, ready to burn down civilisation in the name of readability or ease of use or memory safety or what have you.

IMO it’s an abyss staring thing; you spend enough time in the code mines and you’ll discover some gleaming orb of fascination. Hypothetically this is cured by grass touching. I have been both places.

That is why I’m proud to announce my new, everything safe programming language: C’thlaglthorp, or Ctt for short. ::: spoiler ⠀̸͓͑̌͆͜

T̷̡̬͖͓̲͒ĥ̴̼͑͗̏͗̐e̴̡̧̦̘̘͉̮̠͍͕̩̫̐̎̎̃͆̄͗̇̂̋́̕͠͝ͅ ̴̧̭͎̮̯̥̣̻͍̫͇̼̪̅̋̈́̃̈̾̆̀̓̓͊͂͝ă̵̧̨͎͓͇̦̝͖͎̓̿͠b̸̨̮͚̣̪̪̪͉̮̙͇͎̍͗̕ý̸̘̘ş̷̣̲͙͓̫̎̿̍̈́͛͗́́͝s̶̞̣͖̼̓̅̀̀̉́̃̈́̾̋̄̎͐̀͘͠ ̸͓̈̔͒̽͝w̵̨͚͖̟͚͇̠̘̻͍͕̲̯͍̑́̀͗́̋̀́͛͜͜͠ĭ̸̳̜̰̥̘̟̠̈́͜l̴̡̧̝̣̂͌̿̍̍̿̋l̶̳̙̰̱̫͉̥̃̇̌̂́̈́́͜ ̵̧̤̻̗͈͓̫̮̳͐͊̀̔̍̈̈́̋͂̚͝k̴̨̛͕̠͇͓̝̝̻̘̱͔̫̰̆͂̌̂̀̂̑̈̋͝͠ĕ̷̯̥̝̟̓̓͑̀ę̵̡̨̨͕͍͔̮͂͋̈̍͒̿͛p̸͇̥̺̅͋͐̿͑̿̎͐̈́͛͝͠ ̶̡̟̫͍̲̗͖̓́̽̐̀̀̇̿͝ÿ̴̢̨͚̟̘̼̭͓̘̲̫̮̩̠̺͉̀͜ớ̶̢̪̤͉͎̟̻̩̣̹̬̈́̅̉̈́͂̓̎͌̾͗̓̕͠u̶̗̥͔̹̝̦͕͎͎͍̹͓͕̾̑́ ̷͍̓̃̏̐̄̒̿̅͂̎̉̈́̚s̵̠̭̠͈̖̺͕̬̞͖̫̿̊́̾̾̕̕ͅá̵̯͓͙͕̉͛͌͛̋̕͘f̶̢̛͈͎̥̗̫͇͕̘̦̙̋̇̓̍̊̋͆̓̈͐̚̚͘͜ͅȩ̷͙̝̳̲̈́̽̈́̍̐͝͠

:::

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People who dislike C'thlaglthorp tend to come in two camps: the ones that prefer significant whitespace and the ones that don't.

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nightskyreply
awful.systems

I was only describing a specific kind of person, certainly wasn't trying to imply that C/C++ devs generally have no care for security!

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geriksonreply
awful.systems

Linux puritans are as fissile as the OG Puritans. There's already Devuan which is Debian minus systemd, and now with XLibre. Not sure why this nerd thinks his particular non-denominational chapel will bring in the crowds to hear him sermonize.

Edit BTW Devuan for me is the epitome of FLOSS techfash.

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I'm surprised they include systemd and Wayland. Those are usually on the anti-woke Linux hitlist.

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Looking at their Twitter and it's apparently going to use GNOME. Wonder how that's going to work with GNOME removing X11 support.

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awful.systems

Well, at least the website isn't vibe-coded. Considering the creator's an out-and-proud promptfondler (as seen on his Twitter), that's genuinely shocking.

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Twitter adds default country tags. Immediately finds a whole bunch of foreign bots agitating about US politics. Promptly ignores that in order to be racist.

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So I'm not double checking their work because that's more of a time and energy investment than I'm prepared for here. I also do not have the perspective of someone who has actually had to make the relevant top-level decisions. But caveats aside I think there are some interesting conclusions to be drawn here:

  • It's actually heartening to see that even the LW comments open by bringing up how optimistic this analysis is about the capabilities of LLM-based systems. "Our chatbot fucked up" has some significant fiscal downsides that need to be accounted for.

  • The initial comparison of direct API costs is interesting because the work of setting up and running this hypothetical replacement system is not trivial and cannot reasonably be outsourced to whoever has the lowest cost of labor due. I would assume that the additional requirements of setting up and running your own foundation model similarly eats through most of the benefits of vertical integration, even before we get into how radically (and therefore disastrously) that would expand the capabilities of most companies. Most organizations that aren't already tech companies couldn't do it, and those that could will likely not see the advertised returns.

  • I'm not sure how much of the AI bubble we're in is driven even by an expectation of actual financial returns at this point. To what extent are we looking at an investor and managerial class that is excited to put "AI" somewhere on their reports because that's the current Cutting Edge of Disruptive Digital Transformation into New Paradigms of Technology and Innovation and whatever else all these business idiots think they're supposed to do all day.

I'm actually going to ignore the question of what happens to the displaced workers here because the idea that this job is something that earns a decent living wage is still just as dead if it's replaced by AI or outsourced to whoever has the fewest worker protections. That said, I will pour one out for my frontline IT comrades in South Africa and beyond. Whenever this question is asked the answer is bad for us.

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I've worked in an adjacent field (workforce planning) and I deliver B2B software support for a living, so I too have Thoughts.

At least here in Schwedenland, contact centers have been filed down by relentless cost and tech pressure to be about as automated as can be. You have websites with FAQs, simple chatbots that basically repeat the FAQ for those for whom reading more than a sentence of text is too hard, phone trees to gatekeep you from the Inner Sanctum, etc. etc. The end result is that the actual people taking the calls are gonna be the ones who can make human decisions - troubleshoot a complex issue, handle insurance claims, upsell your mortgage.

Trying to att LLM voice tech to that is just going to add another filter between the customer and the center, with the additional reputational risk of the robot fucking up and losing the customer.

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awful.systems

That popular piece on why it's dumb to build (GenAI-scale) in space hit lobste.rs, and while most commenters agreed it is indeed dumb, fascist Flask founder felt the need to "well ackstually" for some stupid reason

https://lobste.rs/c/mmq7sy

duh ofc there are computers in space, there are computers everywhere, but the whole fucking point of the piece is you can't take thousands of racks of GPUs and launch them into space and expect them to work

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what i actually want to see in space are billionaires doing extended evas. not necessarily suited up, too.

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awful.systems

back on my posting sorta off topic shit: well, we’ve talked a bit about anti-academia nutters, so here’s a developing story about (western) academia having a normal one.

Headline: Oxford’s Rafflesia Messaging Sparks Debate Over Representation, Scientific Credit, and Global South Visibility

My summary: in an announcement, oxford performs erasure by only really naming researchers from oxford amongst a team where most of the contributions were from southeast asian researchers.

Pastor Malabrigo Jr. and Adriane B. Tobias are listed as the first and second authors, while other authors are from the University of the Philippines Los Baños, Indonesia’s National Research and Innovation Agency (BRIN), Bogor Botanical Gardens, University of Bengkulu, and Forest Research Institute Malaysia. The Author Contributions section also shows that Southeast Asian researchers wrote most of the country-specific content, compiled distribution data, and produced scientific figures. Yet none of these appear in the Oxford press release as scientific authorities.

This article is by “scientific watchdog” with a “.id” domain, which is Indonesian. Seems a little bespoke for the article, but, hey, all the facts are verifiable.

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I'm going to laugh if they try to spin it as "we're not being racist, we just wanted to get as much institutional clout as possible and avoided prominently featuringanyone from other institutions!"

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awful.systems

New York Times Magazine asks the question on everyone's minds: Is ChatGPT Conscious?

The piece is, unsurprisingly, a complete pile of hot garbage, openly refusing to recognise the difference between lying machines and human beings. This is probably Pivot material.

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@blakestacey

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the authors are now working in Republican Congressional offices finding research grants and willfully misunderstanding what they're doing.

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