Spyke
BertramDitore
lemmy.zip

Notably, there is no guarantee that the Obamacare subsidies will be extended — and no commitment from Republican House leaders to even hold a vote at all on the subsidies.

Then what the fuck was the point? That was Democrats one demand. Either finish what you start or don’t start at all, you cowards.

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Fredselfishreply
lemmy.world

So millions suffer for nothing, might as well never been a shutdown.

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0opsreply
piefed.zip

Seriously, this is basically the worst outcome. Nice work, Chuck

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buddascrayonreply
lemmy.world

Notably, it isn't democrats as a whole, just 6 of them and an independent. (I do not count Fetterman as a democrat anymore)

Sadly, one of those spineless POS democrats is my own senator from Illinois. I look forward to him being replaced next election (he supposedly isn't running again).

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toastreply
retrolemmy.com

You won't see any of these '6' punished for it, and you won't see Schumer lose his leadership for orchestrating it, because it was waaaay more than 6 Democrats that support this. Remember, they don't work for you and they won't answer to you.

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captainlezbianreply
lemmy.world

Yeah I was willing to tolerate being thrown to the wolves as a minority here, but everyone who caved can go fuck themselves. I hope they go broke in the retirement community along with every republican who joined them

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dhorkreply
lemmy.world

There may be a way to make lemonade out of these lemons. While there are 3 appropriations bills bundled into this package, most of the rest of the appropriations would be on a continuing resolution until the end of the year, which isn't really a very long time. So, absent some sort of breakthrough with the House, we will be in this same position in January.

If Republicans renege on the December vote, then Democrats can go back to them and say "No, we mean it this time, put back the ACA subsidies or we dont agree to kick the can further. We trusted you once and you lied."

Meanwhile, in this bill there are explicit guarantees for SNAP funding and protections for federal workers during the shutdown. Yes, those things were already law, but it reinforces things if Trump signs a bill in November and then ignores it in January. Those are the things that made this shutdown especially painful, and the current bill's passage will limit the pain Trump can inflict.

Basically, I don't buy into the narrative that Democrats got nothing in exchange. It seems like they got a lot of incremental things, that will help give them leverage when Republicans decide to screw them. In the meantime, Federal workers get back pay to prepare for the next one.

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PhilipTheBucketreply
quokk.au

"See, now I'm in a better position, because the next time he wants my lunch money I'll be able to say I already gave him some the other day."

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Rhaedasreply
fedia.io

This is a very optimistic view of things. If this is indeed the plan, it still hurt a lot of people for very little, and to bank the strategy on "we'll be able to blame them if they betray us" is ignoring all the other times this has happened with no consequences to the Republicans. And most of that was before the era of Trump opening up the gates. The line used to be "they're saying it out loud" in response to them not being subtle about their goals. Now they're shouting it loudly, and nothing is being done. We're far past "working across the aisle" mentality.

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krashmoreply
lemmy.world

If anyone, politician or private citizen, hasn't figured out that Republicans lie by now then that person is too stupid to function without a caretaker

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theprogressivist
lemmy.world

Seems the Dems establishment is pissed the old guard is dying out and are willing to bring the entire country down with them. Very Trumpian of them.

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TheRealKunireply
piefed.social

This wasn’t “the establishment.” This was 8 senators, including one independent, who got cold feet and caved like cowards.

Hell, even Chuck Schumer held his ground.

Here’s the list:

  • Catherine Cortez Masto, D-Nevada
  • Dick Durbin, D-Illinois
  • John Fetterman, D-Pennsylvania
  • Maggie Hassan, D-New Hampshire
  • Tim Kaine, D-Virginia
  • Angus King, I-Maine
  • Jacky Rosen, D-Nevada
  • Jeanne Shaheen, D-New Hampshire
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fedupwithbureaucracyreply
lemmy.world

No, schumer planned this. Why do you think all Dem defectors are not up during 2026? Very much planned that way so they can’t be punished

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shawn1122reply
sh.itjust.works

This was certainly centrally planned. There's no way they would be able to coordinate having it be 8 that are not up for re-election without that.

Here’s what occurred. It has been widely assumed that the group of eight mostly centrist Senate Democrats, who have been looking to broker a hollow deal on Republican terms, were freelancing. In fact, they were acting with the express approval of Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and were reporting to him daily.

At Thursday’s meeting, they told their caucus colleagues that they now had ten votes to reopen the government in exchange for no real Republican concessions. At that, much of the rest of the caucus went ballistic, and some of the supposed ten said that, in fact, they were not willing to vote for any such deal.

The leaders of the proposed Democratic cave-in, Sens. Maggie Hassan and Jeanne Shaheen, both of New Hampshire, and Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada, then backed down. Only after that did Schumer go public with his proposal to reopen the government in exchange for a one-year extension of the ACA subsidies, along with a bipartisan commission to figure out a long-term solution.

Informed observers tell me that the obvious compromise deal, which would allow each side to claim a partial victory, is either a shorter extension of the ACA subsidies for less than a year, or an extention with a partial cut at higher incomes. It remains to be seen whether both sides can get to yes.

The mystery is why Schumer keeps flirting with capitulation in exchange for nothing. Democrats have the political momentum, Republicans are divided, and a majority of voters blame Republicans for the shutdown. Schumer himself faces a likely primary challenge for his own Senate seat. He is even more vulnerable if he presides over a Democratic capitulation.

https://prospect.org/2025/11/08/why-does-schumer-keep-trying-to-cave-government-shutdown/

This was reporting from last Thursday. Of course today after following through with the capitulation we find they secured no concessions, just a promise of a vote on the issue on December.

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I_Jedireply
lemmy.today

Chuck Schumer is either a moron who can't keep his senators together, or a traitor who planned a scheme that he knew you would fall for.

The rot goes a lot deeper than those 8.

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BigBenis
lemmy.world

Let's all start demanding Chuck Schumer's resignation as loudly as we demand the release of the Epstein files.

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givesomefucks
lemmy.world

Still, the deal was good enough for seven Senate Democrats and one independent: Sens. Catherine Cortez Masto, D-Nev., Dick Durbin, D-Ill., John Fetterman, D-Pa., Maggie Hassan, D-N.H., Tim Kaine, D-Va., Angus King, I-Maine, Jackie Rosen, D-Nev., and Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H.

Crazy that Kaine is still in office...

Being Clinton's VP pick should have told voters from his state he's not on the people's side. Or that he was one of our shitty DNC chairs, specifically the one after Obama refused to name one after winning 08.

His name doesn't come up much, but we'd be better off with him out of office. He's a big reason shit is so fucked.

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