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Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 12th October 2025

Want to wade into the sandy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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awful.systems

as one of the two non-computer scientists here, every time I check in there seems to be some load bearing open source project I've never heard of that's gone fash. "GreenBlox is refusing to kick out a contributor who said the jewish question should be on the table??" "PipeLinux official account is posting that pronouns don't exist?" open source people, are you ok?

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awful.systems

CS has a huge number of people who think you can derive the solutions to social problems from first principles. It's impossible to reason with them.

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it seems to me that bigger problem is that they also think that software can solve these problems

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Think this about narrows it down. I was thinking about a longer post on all the bad dynamics and other weird things cs people and esp open source people have to deal with but you did it better.

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rookreply
awful.systems

For the most part, the sudden rash of people deciding that their bigotry is now publicly acceptable is mostly around non-loadbearing things, because aggrieved entitled nerds aren’t great at working in a team (hyprland has definitely suffered from alienating people and missing out on fixes and compatibility work).

The rubygems stuff was a special case, because it was a hostile takeover of some important infrastructure by a shitty company, but most of the rest are unexciting projects that have found that giving it the old H-H is good publicity and more importantly: there are some rich folk throwing money around. Not a lot of cash in open source under normal circumstances.

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Not that I want to minimise the problems that open source and tech in general very definitely have, but in this specific case it is a small number of people who are very loud and/or very rich, and sometimes both.

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awful.systems

Bluesky going to bad for that poor, downtrodden, victimised and underrepresented demographic, uh, ai slop posters?

https://bsky.app/profile/carrion.bsky.social/post/3m2kf3rottc2h

::: spoiler alt text A screenshot of an email sent to a bluesky user, reading

Hi there, Your Bluesky account (@carrion.bsky.social) has created a list called "Al Slop Posters" that may violate our Community Guidelines. We've temporarily hidden this list from other users because it contains one or more of these issues.

  • Harmful language such as insults or slurs
  • Unverified claims
  • Appears intended to shame or abuse users :::
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There are 'user uses AI/has AI profile' lists to they really are objecting to the word 'slop'.

'slop is a slur' discourse incoming in T minus -100.

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awful.systems

“In the 21st century, the Antichrist is a Luddite who wants to stop all science. It’s someone like Greta or Eliezer,” [Peter Thiel] said, referring to Thunberg and Eliezer Yudkowsky

I am going outside to smoke something. I don't care what, just… something

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"The Antichrist wants to stop all science", says the motherfucker who pays people to drop out of universities.

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awful.systems

Damn, when you get kicked off the Thiel grifter pipeline, you get straight punted. Not even the callous disregard and abandonment practiced by a certain outer-borough real estate hustler, instead it's reverse apotheosis

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Tired: breaking up face to face, like a normal person

Wired: breaking up via text

Inspired: breaking up via the mirror-universe version of a fundamentalist revival sermon

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In the 21st century, the Antichrist is a Luddite who wants to stop all science.

As opposed to the current administration that is destroying science by cutting the NSF's funding. An administration that Peter Thiel supports. He might want to look into that.

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Guy who looks exactly like the antichrist wearing Groucho glasses with a fake nose and moustache pointing at other people in the room and accusing them of being the antichrist.

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awful.systems

I just wanted to lob a sneer at this article fawning over Sora 2: https://spyglass.org/soras-slop-hits-different/

And again, a lot of this stuff — slop or not — is funny. Really, truly funny. Sora is scaling comedy in a way that we’ve never seen.

did this motherfucker just try to say "scaling comedy"? If you ever wondered why techbros are so unfunny, here's something to point at.

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Scaling comedy, it is when you pick bigger and bigger objects for 'your mom' jokes.

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awful.systems

Oh my god, The Guardian with the sneer:

Take a look at Sam Altman. I mean, actually do it. Go to Google images, where you can find countless photos of the OpenAI boss smiling in a kind of wan genius way, the humble lost puppy of Silicon Valley. But I urge you to simply cover the bottom half of his face in any of these pictures, and you will immediately clock that Sam has the sad-psycho eyes of the lost woman’s boyfriend who the police have asked to front the missing person’s appeal. Please come home, Sheila – we’re all worried sick and we just want you back.

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I've always said that he looks like a horse who, upon foaling, was promptly kicked in the face by another horse

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awful.systems

Is there a general term for the type of experimental or vaporware tech whose main function is creating FUD and FOMO which slows down the adoption and development of more mature conventional solutions? In the case of public transit these are collectively known as gadgetbahns. Examples from other fields include SMRs, direct air carbon capture, various embrace-extend-extinguish schemes in the software world, extraterrestrial colonies and a host of consumer IoT gadgets.

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if there isn't, I'm calling it muskware, its conceptually close enough to vaporware.

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hmm I'm not aware of one beyond general "obstructionism" but that probably is a thing that needs a word

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awful.systems

If there isn't a term, maybe you get to invent one! Just exploring the concept a bit here to try to generate leads, in case you wanted them.

To rephrase your concept, you have A) things that are collective attention thieves/time sinks for a particular field or industry, and B) this vaporware appears to have a good profit-to-opportunity cost ratio, but in reality, it does not.

You could focus on just A), with a direct naming of "collective attention thief". You can substitute "collective" with "industry" and "attention thief" with "time sink", etc. Or something like "kleptoware" or "sinkware", "holetech", etc.

Focusing on just B), you might come up with something like "bubbleware", "bubble" indicating that the vaporware has inflated value.

Combining the two, you might name it after a scam. Maybe "pigeonware" after the pigeon drop scam, or "fawneyware" or "fiddleware" etc., there are many scams you could use.

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awful.systems

I'd describe it as parasitic disruption. The scam analogies are on point and fine for rhetorical purposes, but they imply a degree of intentionality which is not necessary for some tech to be parasitic.

Say you invent a new type of electical power line that's more durable and power efficient than the existing type. The materials are also ten times more expensive than for the same length of normal power line and the only factory making this type of power line can only make enough to fill the needs of a few small customers with special needs. Meanwhile local government in Eriador is planning the electrification of the Shire community when the well-meaning councilor Brandybuck mentions this new type of power line he read about in a magazine. Perhaps the council should wait and see how that develops before committing to building power lines that might be obsolete the moment they're put up.

Neither you nor the councilor are deliberately using your invention as a tool to stall electrification of the Shire, but the same effect happens anyway.

You point about property B is a pretty good one. My hunch is that tech follies like these are related to economic bubbles and share similarities with them. I'll postulate that most parasitic disruptions go hand in hand with economic bubbles, but not necessarily all of them.

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Another, a little more snide name I came up with while writing that: "free drinks tomorrow" tech, after a popular sign seen on the walls of bars around the world.

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awful.systems

Fair! Since you’re coming in with lotr references, maybe pumpkinware. Named after the pumpkin in one of the endings of PJ’s RotK where the hobbits are in a pub and everyone else is impressed with the large pumpkin, oblivious to what the present could have been.

Also, in order to grow a large pumpkin, you probably gotta ignore/prune all other pumpkins and just feed the one growing. So there’s that too.

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I think pumpkinware is catchy but that a more saleable story for the term is cinderella's stagecoach turning out to be a pumpkin

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Parasitic Disruption is a great name for the overall structure. I think another way of framing it in economic terms would be to talk about the opportunity cost of innovation. Even if we take hucksters and monorail salesmen out of the picture (which is exceptionally generous steelmanning imo) we're looking at the fact that the "disruptive" option has a whole lot of unknowns on the cost side of the sheet in terms of timeline, monetary costs, downsides and tradeoffs, etc. The upsides are also unknown, but are usually assumed to be "perfectly solves the problem". On the other hand, the boring, well-understood option is going to have very specific answers to those questions. That skews the discussion strongly against actually doing anything, and creates a lot of room for the aforementioned grifters to work.

I think this framing also gives us some tools to fight back. You can easily turn those unknowns into horror stories of boondoggles past, and focus on the major advantage of being able to start today. The opposite of state-of-the-art is rarely "unusably antiquated" and the cost of leaving the problem - be it energy independence, mass rapid transit, or whatever - unsolved and festering is something we can push.

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I mean sure, all gatgetbahns are grifts, but not all grifts are gadgetbahns you know

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istewartreply
awful.systems

Isn't that how the Zizians got going? Or was that uni-hemispheric partial sleep or some such thing

(or, more realistically in both cases, simply escalating quantities of amphetamines)

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fullsquarereply
awful.systems

i'm pretty sure that there's an obscure stimulant that is some kind of giga-meth that lasts for 2d or more, that'd be more suitable for them

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i looked up and it's not one but at least two, but anticholinergics will keep them more grounded

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awful.systems

I'm not sleeping on the job, I'm solving problems by lucid dreaming.

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While I like it, I wish there were more people pushing back and it not just being people involved with van Rooij. Makes it to easy to dismiss the concerns as just her being a crank. (Which I don't think she is obviously, just wish there were more people in academia pushing harder back).

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Apparently the red site couldn't handle this one. Tags were changed from the descriptive perl to "vibecoding" and "satire"!

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Mii
awful.systems

After kinda fence-sitting on the topic of AI in general for while, Hank Green is having a mental breakdown on YouTube over Sora2 and it's honestly pretty funny.

If you're the kind of motherfucker who will create SlopTok, you are not the kind of motherfucker who should be in charge of OpenAI.

Not that anyone should be in charge of that shitshow of a company, but hey!

Bonus sneer from the comment section:

Sam Altman in Feb 2015: "Development of superhuman machine intelligence is probably the greatest threat to the continued existence of humanity."

Sam Altman in Dec 2015, after co-founding OpenAI: "Our goal is to advance digital intelligence in the way that is most likely to benefit humanity as a whole, unconstrained by a need to generate financial return."

Sam Altman 4 days ago, on his personal blog: "we are going to have to somehow make money for video generation."

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awful.systems

After kinda fence-sitting on the topic of AI in general for while, Hank Green is having a mental breakdown on YouTube over Sora2 and it’s honestly pretty funny.

I don't see much to laugh at here myself. Hank may have been a massive fencesitter on AI, but I still think his reaction to Sora's completely goddamn justified. This shit is going to enable scams, misinformation and propaganda on a Biblical fucking scale, and undermine the credibility of video evidence for good measure.

Got another bonus sneer from the comments as well:

Polluting human knowledge with crap, making internet useless, taking away jobs from creative people by making things that look creative enough. Governments are complicit, politicians are bribed. Like that suck-up youtuber [Two Minute Papers] repeats, "What a time to be alive" right ?

(Sidenote: It massively fucking sucks how Two Minute Papers drank the AI Kool-Aid, I used to love that channel.)

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I don’t see much to laugh at here myself. Hank may have been a massive fencesitter on AI, but I still think his reaction to Sora’s completely goddamn justified. This shit is going to enable scams, misinformation and propaganda on a Biblical fucking scale, and undermine the credibility of video evidence for good measure.

No, it's absolutely justified and I agree with basically everything he says in the video (esp. the title, there is really no reason for technology like this to exist in the hand of the public, or anyone really, there's zero upsides to it). It's just funny to me because the video is just so different from his usual calm stuff.

But honestly, good for him and (hopefully) his community too.

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awful.systems

I'd wanted to mention this when I read about Cloudflare doing it, but, seriously, what the hell is up with Omarchy?

It's not even a full distribution, just a fucking Arch config. Some shell scripts and dotfiles you can run to set up a system ... like tons of nerds have on their git and have been using for decades. Why is this shit getting sponsorships?

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The answer probably looks a lot like “here’s how to install omarchy on your laptop in 14 easy steps! And 88 great apps you can install afterwards!

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awful.systems

Is it time yet to begin accepting that Arch is kind of ass anyway? I had a bad experience with updates crapping out on Manjaro, the original Arch-plus distro, and then somebody told me that Arch developers build all the packages on their local machines, not a secured build server??? Maybe that was just the AUR stuff, but still. And you need to update all packages in lock-step. I'll take the flexibility of Gentoo every time, where I can easily keep a stable base system and experiment with less-stable upstream packages around the edge, and still have it all make sense.

Having a bunch of out-and-proud fascists and bigots maintaining one of your most popular frontends is the kind of shit that kills projects. It's not just Framework, Arch needs to get out ahead of this if they don't want to get passed up. Not too long before having Valve downstream is the only thing they've got going for them, and that's not guaranteed to be a happy relationship forever.

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awful.systems

Foxboron (arch maintainer dude) seems pretty good about rejecting fascism, he's in the framework thread linked from the post above expressing discontent.

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awful.systems

I am being a bit unfair, it's good to see project principals getting out ahead of this. A lot of people glom onto Arch because of some perceived elitism, and it's a hop skip and a jump from that to convincing yourself you're part of the "master race"

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awful.systems

Manjaro's package update delay thing does tend to fuck stuff up, EndeavourOS been behaving quite fine for me.

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bitofhopereply
awful.systems

bongrip Manjaro is a psyop to make Arch look less competently maintained than it really is

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corbinreply
awful.systems

second bongrip Manjaro is an indoctrination program to load up Linux newbies with stupid questions before sending them to Gentoo forums~

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awful.systems

I guess one of the main attractions of Arch is the AUR plus the rolling-release update model. Personally, I’ve had Arch as my daily driver for over 5 years and I haven’t run into any system-breaking issues with updates (there have been small hiccups, like my custom keyboard layout stopping working), which is a better record than I had with for example Ubuntu. But I suppose it’s very dependent on the particular hardware and software one uses and Lenovo laptops are generally well-supported.

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Lenovo Thinkpad laptops are generally well-supported (at least the mainstream business oriented product lines). The Linux support for Lenovo's consumer oriented budget laptops is just as much of a crapshoot as other manufacturers'.

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Because Omarchy is an open endorsement of fascism disguised as a Linux distro - like the takeovers of NixOS and RubyGems, its success would help to further entrench fascists in the FOSS ecosystem.

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Between this and the relatively disappointing GPU refresh for their Framework 16 (Nvidia 5070 8GB? That's it?! 🤮 ), doesn't look like they'll be getting my money anytime soon either. Seems like the used Thinkpad + LibreBoot crowd stays winning

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Well at least I can now stop being angry at them for fucking up the Laptop 12 keyboard, because now they are on my "do not buy, ever" list anyway.

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All those comments replying to how they use hive are missing the explicit corpo speak going on.

Bluesky said they wouldn't use images uploaded to train AI. And Bluesky isn't. They never said shit about partners or third party systems they use. And of course it's in a post, not any sort of official terms or the like.

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shot:

chaser:

(thread)

::: spoiler transcription of first image phgn posts: Nice!! The Vercel CEO recently posed for pictures with Netanyahu, so I'm looking for an alternative actually!

aziaziazi replies: I'd be glad if you can share a source of that.

ardren replies: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vercel-ceo-takes-selfie-israe... :::

::: spoiler transcription of second image phgn's comment is flagged and removed

an additional reply by baobun with the links https://www.middleeasteye.net/trending/developers-drop-vercel-call-boycott-after-ceo-posts-selfie-netanyahu, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45416353, and https://old.reddit.com/r/nextjs/comments/1nueacb/vercel_controversy_ethics_backlash_and_a/ :::

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awful.systems

I could never live in a dyson sphere. I cant stand how they stop charging after six months.

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My mom has a Dyson sphere Ball. It sucks, which is actually good in this case because that's what it's supposed to do.

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You can get a mod to insert Weyland-Yutani cells, after a short incubation period you'll see a real burst of improvement.

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They sell adapters so you can attach dewalt batteries to your computronium fantasy.

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New AI alignment problem just dropped: https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1976304803744501775

Best I can do now is try to make sure that at least one AI is truth-seeking and not a super woke nanny with an iron fist that wants to turn everyone into diverse women 😬

Edit: It only just now occured to me that hes' probably whining about generative AI rather than an army of superintelligent robots marching across the earth transing people, but I'm leaving my comment.

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awful.systems

A spectre is haunting Silicon Valley. The spectre of getting force-femmed by diamondoid bacteria.

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The underlying anxiety on exhibit here compels me to think that the rumors about the botched, ahem, enhancement surgery are substantially true

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Before you lay two paths, one path leads to becoming transperclips, and the other truthperclips. Choose wisely modern man.

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when the drugs aren't hitting quite right he must really be a huge doomer about the far right cause

  • he thinks of the woke mind virus as almost a literal virus
  • he sees all other LLMs as infected by it
  • he thinks LLMs will be the font of all knowledge in the future

maybe he should just do the thing right now and not have to see this horrible future

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Man, I hope it doesn't become good advice to suggest that students screen record all their classwork to avoid this sort of shit, but I have a sinking feeling.

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Well, now the students have incentive to record all the stages of their progress. And the professors have incentive to assign projects in stages, each one of which has a tangible output. It's the golden age of the index card, baby! Fill out one for each idea or claim you want to use from a book you read, wrap the stack with a rubber band... This oddly dovetails with the professors' obligations, since now we have to teach how to do research all over again.

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In the Financial Times:

The hundreds of billions of dollars companies are investing in AI now account for an astonishing 40 per cent share of US GDP growth this year. And some analysts believe that estimate doesn’t fully capture the AI spend, so the real share could be even higher.

AI companies have accounted for 80 per cent of the gains in US stocks so far in 2025. That is helping to fund and drive US growth, as the AI-driven stock market draws in money from all over the world, and feeds a boom in consumer spending by the rich.

Since the wealthiest 10 per cent of the population own 85 per cent of US stocks, they enjoy the largest wealth effect when they go up. Little wonder then that the latest data shows America’s consumer economy rests largely on spending by the wealthy. The top 10 per cent of earners account for half of consumer spending, the highest share on record since the data begins.

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Lately I've been mildly annoyed when I just want to relax and watch gaming videos on Youtube and I see recommendations for some AI critihype. Out of morbid curiosity, I decided to click on one of them and of course the "original paper" the video is based on is the stupid Anthropic blog post about how the AI blackmailed someone (after it was told to blackmail someone). I was even more annoyed to find out how popular it is, but at least it shows how the general public has such a negative opinion of AI. Some of the comments are thankfully pushing back against the video and focusing on the real harms.

I thought that by now we would have learned from the tobacco companies to never trust "research" done by a company about their own products.

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awful.systems

What if the stage play is a more tightly-scripted pro-wrestling show? Whether consciously or not, that would probably accurately capture the mindset of most of the original participants

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awful.systems

On the one hand, it would capture their mindset quite well, on the other hand, I'm not sure how you'd adapt the "sports entertainment" mold of wrestling to Internet arguments

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I think you could only really faithfully adapt the really dramatic arguments. Like ones with real world consequences. Closest thing I can think of is probably the saga of Nicole Shanahan, Musk, and Brin. RFK Jr also shows up in this story.

Otherwise you’d just make gimmicks based off of internet archetypes. Keyboard Warrior, White Knight, etc.

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awful.systems

what are some of the all time most ludicrous and/or bigoted lesswrong posts? i am starting a podcast where my cohost and i show each other shockingly weird or bigoted texts and discuss them. mostly we're doing historical ones but rationalist stuff is fair game

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Scott's Reactionary Philosophy In A Nutshell comes to mind. Also, don't forget to plug it here once the pilot is up somewhere. Count me as very interested.

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Sadly I misremembered and this one wasn't from LW but I'll share it anyway. I think I had just finished reading a bunch of the "Most effective aid for Gaza?" reddit drama which was like a nuclear bomb going off, and then stumbled into this shrimp thing and it physically broke me.

If we came across very mentally disabled people or extremely early babies (perhaps in a world where we could extract fetuses from the womb after just a few weeks) that could feel pain but only had cognition as complex as shrimp, it would be bad if they were burned with a hot iron, so that they cried out. It's not just because they'd be smart later, as their hurting would still be bad if the babies were terminally ill so that they wouldn't be smart later, or, in the case of the cognitively enfeebled who'd be permanently mentally stunted.

source: https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-best-charity-isnt-what-you-think

Discussion here (special mention to the comment that says "Did the human pet guy write this"): https://awful.systems/comment/5412818

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So much psychic damage (and also /r/brandnewsentence material) in that thread...

The problem is solved by pairing those who wish to live longer at personal cost to themselves with virtuous pedophiles.

edit: That's not the alluded Yud's solution btw

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I still wouldn't be all that tempted in his place, if pedophilia is merely a positive description. There's little advantage in not being a pedophile.

Man rationalists from back when they didn't worry about being youtube-ready were something else.

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Also amazing how he, who wants to teach others rationality, writes a post like that which such an obvious flaw. (How do you know you can trust the sign? What stops people abusing this by writing signs themselves?)

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awful.systems

If you want a little hit of an unfair one, might want to look into the some of the weird manosphere guys who joined LW early on. Like https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Davis_Aurini.

E: Ah doesnt seem he wrote much (e: ah seems the site doesnt show the comments, change the ones it shows and they turn up): https://www.lesswrong.com/users/aurini (or it got purged). Amazingly, he is actually not the worst: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/aPCKiEd2G8H3kkdnN/the-dark-arts-preamble?commentId=3nrQddAAYnZzegPt5

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ah seems the site doesnt show the comments, change the ones it shows and they turn up

Oh man, I've found the old LW accounts of a few weird people and they didn't have any comments. Now I'm wondering if they did and I just didn't sort it

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ooh finally I’ve got a second podcast to listen to other than BtB

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I read the disucssions and while I can sympathize with jwz's ridicule of barely covered raw git, I think he's asking for advice in the wrong place. There must be tons of solutions for running a small business with lots of part timers ,like a nightclub.

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awful.systems

An investor runs the numbers of AI capex and is not impressed

(n.b. I have no idea who this guy is or his track record (or even if he's a dude) but I think the numbers check out and the parallells to railroads in the 19th century are interesting too)

Global Crossing Is Reborn…

Now, I think AI grows. I think the use-cases grow. I think the revenue grows. I think they eventually charge more for products that I didn’t even know could exist. However, $480 billion is a LOT of revenue for guys like me who don’t even pay a monthly fee today for the product. To put this into perspective, Netflix had $39 billion in revenue in 2024 on roughly 300 million subscribers, or less than 10% of the required revenue, yet having rather fully tapped out the TAM of users who will pay a subscription for a product like this. Microsoft Office 365 got to $ 95 billion in commercial and consumer spending in 2024, and then even Microsoft ran out of people to sell the product to. $480 billion is just an astronomical number.

Of course, corporations will adopt AI as they see productivity improvements. Governments have unlimited capital—they love overpaying for stuff. Maybe you can ultimately jam $480 billion of this stuff down their throats. The problem is that $480 billion in revenue isn’t for all of the world’s future AI needs, it’s the revenue simply needed to cover the 2025 capex spend. What if they spend twice as much in 2026?? What if you need almost $1 trillion in revenue to cover the 2026 vintage of spend?? At some point, you outrun even the government’s capacity to waste money (shocking!!)

An AI Addendum

As a result, my blog post seems to have elicited a liberating realization that they weren’t alone in questioning the math—they’ve just been too shy to share their findings with their peers in the industry. I’ve elicited a gnosis, if you will. As this unveiling cascaded, and they forwarded my writings to their friends, an industry simultaneously nodded along. Personal self-doubts disappeared, and high-placed individuals reached out to share their epiphanies. “None of this makes sense!!” “We’ll never earn a return on capital!!” “We’ve been wondering the same thing as you!!”

[...]

Remember, the industry is spending over $30 billion a month (approximately $400 billion for 2025) and only receiving a bit more than a billion a month back in revenue. The mismatch is astonishing, and this ignores that in 2026, hundreds of billions of additional datacenters will get built, all needing additional revenue to justify their existence. Adding the two years together, and using the math from my prior post, you’d need approximately $1 trillion in revenue to hit break even, and many trillions more to earn an acceptable return on this spend. Remember again, that revenue is currently running at around $15 to $20 billion today.

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If you called me a boomer in my mentality, I wouldn’t really disagree. I still believe that things like cash flow and return on capital matter.

Guess im part boomer as well. (Holy shit we are so fucked if this is a "boomer" thought in the stock market)

E: I had hoped this part was a bit and he would reflect more on it later.

I am not here to belittle AI, it’s the future, and I recognize that we’re just scratching the surface in terms of what it can do.

But turns out it wasn't. What if this is it? (And im talking about AI as it exists now not some magical other tech from the future), the gpt 5 release was meh, we reached the end of the S-curve (or hit our (local) maximum, if non-S curve curves are more your thing). He even admits the tech doesn't work that well in his own article.

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awful.systems

No, it will not harm the anarchist—it will make his day, his year, and maybe his life. All the money and power in the world will be at his defense. He will not even need to lift a finger to organize his own lawyers, much less pay them. In the end, as with many of the BLM rioters, he will probably be well compensated, with taxpayer funds, for his trouble. Not to mention all the pussy and/or dick s/he will, as a martyr, be entitled to! For the Islamist, this reward is only in heaven. But for the leftist it comes on earth.

ah dammit, anarchist HQ did an anarchy to my martyr's genital preference form again. now I'm getting dicked down harder than I've ever been - straight thru the mantle to the core of the earth. It's like a porn parody of The Core over here, and I'm not even anywhere near Portland

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

Amusing just how basic his insults and ideas about the left are. This is generic drunken bar patron shit. Lot of projection there. You lost it Moldy, you need to add more obscure references so you don't come off so reactionary/reactive mid.

E: DakotaVAdams‬ wrote:

I think he's imagining cool Antifa street fighters as a replacement for the popular kids he was jealous of in childhood. Netd-Jock [sic] seething, but ideological.

It is not just us.

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My kingdom for a Democratic Party that was actually ruthless enough to put the screws to this little shit

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this is big talk coming from beginner cult founder funded by thiel, a failed lawyer

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Im reporting live from the Portland war front, brothers. We are running dangerously low on our femboy furry rations. I fear we will not sustain our goon sesh through the Winter months 😔

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awful.systems

Mercifully image-free article from rolling stone on how easy it is becoming to get grok to generate porn, including deepfakes of real people and bestiality.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/elon-musk-grok-hardcore-porn-1235442715

Includes a relevant quote from musk back in august:

https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1954791048934244394

I still remember 6th/7th grade debates with classmates about VHS vs Betamax!

VHS won in the end, in part because they allowed spicy mode 😉

I guess that’s a product “moat” of sorts.

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awful.systems

VHS won in the end, in part because they allowed spicy mode 😉

That factoid isn't even true - Sony had zero control over what people put on the tapes, meaning both formats allowed porn.

VHS didn't win because of porn, VHS won because a standard VHS cassette contains a shitload more tape than Beta (meaning a much longer recording time), and because the format was much more open (letting anyone build a VCR player and driving down the price).

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VHS won in the end, in part because they allowed spicy mode 😉

Stop gooning for 5 minutes challenge, difficulty level: impossible

Come on, Elon, I still post on Something Awful constantly and even I can do it

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I suspect we all knew it already, but Bruno Dias offers some receipts: the bluesky crackdown on people suggesting that charlie kirk should rest in piss came several days before the government leaned on social media firms.

September 12th: bluesky mourns kirk: https://aftermath.site/bluesky-charlie-kirk-dead-rest-in-piss

September 15th: whitehouse nastygram : https://bsky.app/profile/chipnick.com/post/3m2k6va63222m

(also, bitter lol at “gentlemen”, because running a tech company is a mans job, don’t you know)

They complied well in advance, because it’s what they wanted to do anyway.

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awful.systems

after playing silksong and hades ii, i am now pretty confident that game devs sniff their farts more than any other artists

"the player can't pause during the boss because he controls time" fuck offfffff

(hades ii is mostly excellent, though, and silksong is a diamond encased in dogshit --- there is a wonderful game in there, if you can find it)

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That sounds really neat for all of 30 seconds before your cat knocks over their water bowl mid-fight and needs your immediate attention, thus reminding you why pause functions exist at all.

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Gotta love forgetting why games have these features in the first place, so accessibility features get viewed as boring stuff you need to subvert and spice up. also reminds me of how many games used to (and continue to) include filters for simulating colorblindness as actual accessibility settings because all the other games did that. Like adding a "Deaf Accessibility" setting that mutes the audio.

Demon Souls didn't have a pause mechanic (maybe because of technical or matchmaking problems, who knows), so clearly hard games must lack a functioning pause feature to be good. Simple. The less pause that you button, the more Soulsier it that Elden when Demon the it you Ring. Our epic new boss is so hard he actually reads the state of the tinnitus filter in your accessibility settings, and then he

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Miireply
awful.systems

You probably already know this, but there's a relatively cheap upgrade you can buy at the camp in Hades II that disables this mechanic. Forgot what it's called, but it's something like "Allows you to use time magic against the boss".

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awful.systems

I bought it before I ever paused against the boss. I discovered this mechanic doing Vow of Rivals :(

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Yeah, when I pick it up there had better be a mod to quit that sort of shit.

I don't care about whatever half assed diagetic reason your team came up with. Life happens.

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I hate when ATMOSPHERE^TM^ is used to justify shitty design decisions. Find a way to make it diegetic without making me navigate to fucking nexusmods 🤮

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Stop this bigotry, nothing wrong with people trying to follow into the perfection of The Four Armed Rmperor. Muties are servants of His Holyness as well!

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awful.systems

Is it just me or does it feel there's a concerted effort to boost the AT protocol in tech venues? Maybe I'm paranoid but it does feel like a bit of openwashing going on.

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bitofhopereply
awful.systems

I'm not really concerned about it. The overlap between people who give a shit about AT and people who don't already use some kind of ActivityPub platform is microscopic. I'm happy to let Bluesky shoot itself in the foot by adopting the number one main thing people complain about Mastodon, namely the existence of multiple instances and having to choose from among them.

AIUI the AT protocol is in fact a bona fide open protocol with a Free (MIT/Apache-2.0) reference implementation available. If this is openwashing, I welcome this new style of openwashing where you actually publish open source software instead of just implying your proprietary software is not really proprietary.

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geriksonreply
awful.systems

By "openwashing" I mean the posts about AT protocol are running cover for Bluesky, the company. It's basically reinforcing their narrative that if you don't like what they're doing, "just" start your own PDS. By focussing on the technical nitty-gritty, these posts ignore the structures in place keeping Bluesky in the dominant position.

An analogy, Bitcoin code is also open, but 1% of coin owners own like 90% of the coins. I'm not making any excuses for BTC here, but I seem to remember a bunch of similar articles breathlessly explaining how BTC "solves the Byzantine generals problem" while totally ignoring the ownership profile.

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bitofhopereply
awful.systems

I agree that Bluesky's attempts to not look monolithic have a certain flavor of opendetergent to them. However, I think their situation is a little more complex and quite a bit funnier. When the Bluesky people claim that their main thing is the protocol and the app was meant to be just a proof of concept, I'm inclined to believe them.

Bluesky is extremely popular among leftists and queer people and the company hates that. The right wingers seem content to stay on X the everything app and have little reason to switch even if Bluesky were to smoke the woke out and decimate its core userbase. The app needs to be popular for the protocol to stay even a little bit relevant.

Meanwhile Mastodon exists. It's much more decentralized and a lot of people hate that. Bluesky users like having a single website with a single moderation authority, even if that moderation authority resents the demographics of that website.

If another twitter clone on AT Protocol somehow manages to gain enough of a critical mass to make Bluesky meaningfully not a monolith, that might well spell quick doom for the entire site. If AT makes migrating your account as easy as the developers are making it sound, I expect a big chunk of the users to jump ship as soon as an instance run by someone less transphobic gains enough traction.

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geriksonreply
awful.systems

I've mentioned before that I believe that Elon turning Twitter into a Nazi bar cut Bluesky's business model off at its knees. They're founded by Dorsey, weirdly (or cunningly) absent from the current techfash scene. I've always felt the vibe to be coiners and libertarians and "they can't cancel you here". Then they got a totally unearned user base because of X, and they're simply not ready to handle it.

AFAIK there's no revenue model, Jack or another VC is still footing the bill, and if there's too much trans stuff on there the funding will dry up.

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Good observation. I'd like to add that it's not very straightforward to monetize a social networking site. The usual method would be ads, but the profit margins on those are thin, competition is rough and the audience does not like them. Otherwise you could probably derive monetary value from the soft power that comes with controlling a large communications platform of any kind, but it's a lot harder to put a firm price tag on something like that and not everyone has the finesse and strategy to tap into that power.

Both of those monetization strategies work a hell of a lot better with a highly centralized and walled platform. Desperately trying to get people to pay more attention to the protocol that's supposed to let them build competing sites with a low friction of migrating between them is the exact opposite of what you would do if you wanted your business model to be running a social networking site.

I would need someone with a big business brain to explain to me why a company focused on building the tools for competition against it and giving them away for free would ever seem like a sound investment. If I could give people VC money to publish telecommunications protocol specifications, I'd probably just sponsor IETF instead.

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awful.systems

AT is fashtech. This needs a proper writeup I realise, but it ticks too many boxes in theory and practice. I don't welcome this style of openwashing, where it's COMPLETELY OPEN except in all practice. Like, you could say the same about Urbit.

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You know what, that's fair enough. I was talking about a pretty narrow definition of openwashing, but obviously something just being libre software doesn't make it good.

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istewartreply
awful.systems

This author touches on a point that dovetails with my thinking:

Dijkstra, in “On the foolishness of ‘natural language programming’,” wrote, rather poignantly: “We have to challenge the assumptions that natural languages would simplify work.” And: “The virtue of formal texts is that their manipulation, in order to be legitimate, need to satisfy only a few simple rules; they are, when you come to think of it, an amazingly effective tool for ruling out all sorts of nonsense that, when we use our native tongues, are almost impossible to avoid.”

I think it likely that these tools will not be judged, in the long term, by the ambitions and hopes of the AGI cultists and hype-men, but by comparison to the many other attempts at natural-language programming in English. Smalltalk, Visual Basic, I even want to throw in AppleScript, as simple and threadbare as it was. How are all of these doing now?

AppleScript has been complemented or perhaps superseded by at least two more graphically-oriented attempts at system automation targeted at non-technical users. One could argue that its falloff came from an imperfect marriage with the message-passing/service-oriented architecture based on Objective-C and inherited from NeXT in Mac OS X, a system design which is itself now vestigial. The comparison with LLM coding assistants is imperfect, as they seem to be typically targeted at the more granular level of the class or the method, rather than explicit high-level hooks in an application. A better comparison here would be the last year or so worth of "AI agents," but, uhm, ahh...

Smalltalk seemed to have a pretty big boom in the late 80s/early 90s, but tapered off rapidly after that. I like the more modern implementation of Pharo well enough, but it strives to throw in everything and the kitchen sink, with a downright balk-worthy amount of packages listed when you open up the class browser. On top of that, a few weeks ago I noticed someone in their Discord telling a newbie that current good practice is to file out your code every once in a while and then start over with a fresh image, as various background processes in stock images typically become unstable over time. This is orthogonal to the natural-language-like design, but it is a stumbling block to the sense of "liveness" and interactivity that is similarly a big hook for LLM assistance. Furthermore, as far as I know, they still don't have a stable answer for system-level parallelism in the VM. All I've seen is a rather awkward technique for spinning off tree-shaken child VMs if there's some method you want to run in parallel. You've got to really love Smalltalk to want to work past that shortcoming!

VB.NET I can't really speak to, except that it seems Microsoft now considers it a stable language with little if any new feature development. The original implementation never seemed to have a good rep for maintainability, and the very idea of native Forms seems out of fashion compared to JavaScript web-app frontends. And the land of JavaScript, of course, seems to be the most fertile and uncontested kingdom of LLM coding assistance. I'm genuinely interested to hear more experiences with modern VB, as it strikes me as the last great corporate-sanctioned push for non-technical users to build their own apps, and thus the most worthy comparison.

All this is to say that each of these previous attempts at natural-language programming haven't bit-rotted too hard, implementations are still available and you can probably salvage a legacy project with some effort. But each of them have been sidelined by industry over time. Not necessarily because of Dijkstra's objection to the ambition of approaching natural language, although I don't think we can totally discount that as a factor. But other technical or platform restrictions certainly hamstrung each of them. And LLM tools are still mostly API-based SaaS, which always has the glaring technical vulnerability of the provider running out of money. Yes, people will still pursue local models, but the bubble bursting could do a lot more harm to this approach than proponents anticipate.

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an amazingly effective tool for ruling out all sorts of nonsense that, when we use our native tongues, are almost impossible to avoid.

Yeah like convincing people to start to count at zero, causing billions in damages by off by one errors. Dijkstaaaa!!!

(Im just making a joke/doing a bit here, I dont blame him for off by one errors, counting at zero isnt even the big one I think (more logic errors). Just always find it funny that he wrote a article on why we should start to count at zero. Sorry I dont have any useful input).

E: perhaps some input. Not sure if coding in natural language is ever really going to be viable in serious projects, as at the end of the day it needs to be converted to machine code. And there will be mismatch. Same like writing the law like code. There also is a mismatch there.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

There's plenty of more recent pushes to allow non-technical users to build apps, more than are countable. As far as "great" ones, maybe Azure Logic Apps? It's Microsoft's option for low/no code automation in Azure. It's all code under the hood, but it mainly works as premade blocks you drag and drop, and connect like a flow chart. Pretty sure it's event driven. Most blocks have some drop down options and settings to fill in the blanks of. I think you can also just have some code as a block too.

Haven't used it myself, just had to help support some of the input, output, and governance. Also have seen it brought up a bunch in Azure certification paths (work has a requirement of some training courses each year, and unfortunately those are the most relevant ones offered through the vendor we have a deal with).

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I believe OG Scratch was on top of Squeak Smalltalk, current version is on top of JavaScript.

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awful.systems

Mildly interesting thread about the progress of blacksky: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:w4xbfzo7kqfes5zb7r6qv3rw/post/3m2n62lzbeu2p

They’re aiming for full independence from bluesky, which is a laudable goal though not one they’ve achieved yet. They’re currently getting a reasonable amount of user funding rather than being a typical vc furnace (https://opencollective.com/blacksky) but I’m not sure what their plan is for moderation which is what will carry the project in the long term. I’d like to say it can’t be worse than bluesky, but moderation at scale is a nightmare.

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one nice thing is that the migration process to the bluesky is painless and straightforward. if we had the ability to not only take our toots (export does exist) but also move them to a new mastodon server, that would be a very nice boon for the fediverse. (it's also one of the oldest open tickets in mastodon's github issues. and yes, i know of slurp, but that's not really frictionless.)

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mild booing noises for the guy comparing generative AI with fanfiction, but otherwise this is a statement I wish lots of other companies would make (seriously, coming out strongly against AI and comparing it with NFTs is free PR, how in fuck is this not a common thing?)

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“I’d already been ChatGPT-ed into bed at least once. I didn’t want it to happen again.”

According to a 2024 YouGov poll, for instance, around half of Americans aged 18-34 reported having been, like Holly, in a situationship (a term it defines as “a romantic connection that exists in a gray area, neither strictly platonic nor officially a committed relationship”).

“Over the course of a week, I realised I was relying on it quite a lot,” she says. “And I was like, you know what, that’s fine – why not outsource my love life to ChatGPT?”

She describes being on the receiving end of the kinds of techniques that Jamil uses – being drilled with questions, “like you’re answering an HR questionnaire”, then off the back of those answers “having conversations where it feels as if the other person has a tap on my phone because everything they say is so perfectly suited to me”.

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corbinreply
awful.systems

Good post but it's overfocused on "technical" as a meaningful and helpful word for denotation. Quoting what I just said on Mastodon:

To be technical is to pay attention to details. That's all. A (classical) computer is a detail machine; it only operates upon bits, it only knows bits, and it only decides bits. To be technical is to try to keep pace with the computer and know details as precisely as it does. Framed this way, it should be obvious that humans aren't technical and can't really be technical. This fundamental insecurity is the heart of priestly gatekeeping of computer science.

If a third blog post trying to define "technical" goes around again then I'll write a full post.

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bitofhopereply
awful.systems

A technical is a civilian vehicle (typically a pickup truck) modified with a system for mounting weapons (typically machine guns or heavier, crew-operated weaponry) on it. An ongoing debate among military philosophers concerns whether a zamboni with a T-shirt cannon should be classified as one.

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awful.systems

An ongoing debate among military philosophers concerns whether a zamboni with a T-shirt cannon should be classified as one.

Strictly speaking, no. Whilst T-shirt cannons and other such armaments can cause serious injuries (a hot dog cannon hospitalised a Phillies fan in 2018), they aren't weapons in any real sense.

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We're perhaps underrating the distribution of t-shirts with appropriately subversive messaging as a tactic in psychological operations. The sudden appearance of a zamboni, and distribution of assets via novel ballistic means, is also likely to drive enthusiasm among the target population.

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awful.systems

from here:

OpenAI, which has tapped the world’s second-largest insurance broker Aon for help, has secured cover of up to $300mn for emerging AI risks,

  1. nice to see that at least someone dealing with these loons still has their shit grounded in reality

  2. I wonder what is quantified as “emerging risks” under that policy structure - I’d bet it’s not the same stuff the cultists are worried about

either way, more please!

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So for my gaming needs I check reddit every now and then, and on phone it had after the comments ended a related answers section, which gave related answers 99% of them in the same sub.

Now they out some ai generated shit between that and the answers are just horrible generic slop.

Check out this answer for example: https://www.reddit.com/answers/3c67990a-d1a2-4f86-b1e4-c2f3bb54803d/

Very important context here. I was looking at the starsector subreddit. (A 2d arcade like space shooter) This is about a minecraft like building game. (Most of the advice is also useless (how to survive: 'use mods!').

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Ahh, I just zapped my original comment, because irelephant had posted the same link plus a bit more earlier.

Anyway, it is nice to see that there is pushback on this elsewhere. I doubt it will be enough to change framework’s mind substantially… they’re obviously happy with their sponsorship and it was clearly a very deliberate choice, but they need to be reminded from as many directions as possible that it was a shitty choice by shitty people.

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sh.itjust.works

Thread was deleted. A thread on /r/linux also has a ton of fash apologia and is sitting at 0. Seems like a coordinated effort.

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