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Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 5th October 2025 - awful.systems

Want to wade into the sandy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

https://awful.systems/post/5699944Open linkView original on awful.systems

pushy rationalist tried to glom onto and fly to meet my niche internet microcelebrity friend & i talked her through setting boundaries instead of installing this person in her life. my good deed for the week

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In today’s torment nexus development news… you know how various cyberpunky type games let you hack into an enemy’s augmentations and blow them up? Perhaps you thought this was stupid and unrealistic, and you’d be right.

Maybe that’s the wrong example. How about a cursed evil ring that when you put it on, you couldn’t take it off and it wracks you with pain? Who hasn’t wanted one of those?

Happily, hard working torment nexus engineers have brought that dream one step closer, by having “smart rings”, powered by lithium polymer batteries. Y’know, the things that can go bad, and swell up and catch fire? And that you shouldn’t puncture, because that’s a fire risk too, meaning cutting the ring off is somewhat dangerous? Fun times abound!

https://bsky.app/profile/emily.gorcen.ski/post/3m25263bs3c2g

::: spoiler image description A pair of tweets, containing the text

Daniel aka ZONEofTECH on x.com: “Ahhh…this is…not good. My Samsung Galaxy Ring’s battery started swelling. While it’s on my finger 😬. And while I’m about to board a flight 😬 Now I cannot take it off and this thing hurts. Any quick suggestions

Update:

  • I was denied boarding due to this (been travelling for ~47h straight so this is really nice 🙃). Need to pay for a hotel for the night now and get back home tomorrow👌
  • was sent to the hospital, as an emergency
  • ring got removed

You can see the battery all swollen. Won’t be wearing a smart ring ever again.

:::

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Let's be honest: These are exactly the sort of people who will stick their dicks into the Torment Nexus.

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It almost surely has been done, but dare I ask where one can find trashy romance a la “pegged by the basilisk”

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"Pegged in the ass by a physical manifestation of an online forum thought exercise gone horribly wrong" should be a Tingler if it isn't already one.

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There were some issues with an internet-connected chastity device not that long ago, but they were conventional “we can’t be bothered to secure our web service, even when everyone is telling us it is terrible” issues, rather than “knob gets crushed and catches fire”. Still, there’s plenty of scope for someone to make one of those in future… OTA BMS firmware updates are very much a thing, and the market for alarming sex toys is practically unlimited.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/your-cock-is-mine-now-hacker-locks-internet-connected-chastity-cage-demands-ransom/

(now I think about it, I suspect there’s a market for very poorly secured internet-connected sex toys. someone got off to that headline, I’m pretty certain)

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AI video generation use case: hallucinatory RETVRN clips about the good old days, such as, uh, walmart 20 years ago?

It his the uncanny valley triggers quite hard. It’s faintly unsettling t watch at all, but every individual detail is just wrong and dreamlike in a bad way.

Also, weird scenery clipping, just like real kids did back in the day!

https://bsky.app/profile/mugrimm.bsky.social/post/3lzy77zydrc2q

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genuinely think nostalgia might be the most purely evil emotion, and every one of these RETVRN ai videos i see strengthens that belief

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It is a literal gateway to fascism imho, esp when people get into nostalgia for a time that never was.

And compared to nostalgia for mom n pop stores, this even is nostalgia for a mass produced product.

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I will say that the flipping between characters in order to disguise the fact that longer clips are impractical to render is a neat trick and fits well into the advert-like design, but rewatching it just really reinforces how much those kids look like something pretending real hard to be a human.

Also, fake old-celluloid-film filter for something that was supposed to be from 20 years ago? Really?

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Also, fake old-celluloid-film filter for something that was supposed to be from 20 years ago? Really?

I was gonna say that was probably the slop extruder's doing, but it looks to have been applied manually for some godforsaken reason. Best guess is whoever was behind this audiovisual extrusion thought "celluloid filter = Nostalgia^tm^".

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I suspect it is also hiding some rendering artefacts.

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hallucinatory RETVRN clips about the good old days

Nostalgiabait is the slopgens' specialty - being utterly incapable of creating anything new isn't an issue if you're trying to fabricate an idealis-

such as, uh, walmart 20 years ago?

Okay, stop everything, who the actual fuck would be nostalgic for going to a fucking Wal-Mart? I've got zero nostalgia for ASDA or any other British big-box hellscape like it, what the fuck's so different across the pond?

(Even from a "making nostalgiabait" angle, something like, say, McDonalds would be a much better choice - unlike Wal-Mart, McD's directly targets kids with their advertising, all-but guaranteeing you've got fuzzy childhood memories to take advantage of.)

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I know it’s terrible being a drama gossip, but there are some Fun Times on bluesky at the moment. I’m sure most of you know the origins of the project, and the political leanings of the founders, but they’re currently getting publicly riled up about trans folk and palestinians and tying themselves up in knots defending their decision to change the rules to keep jesse singal on site, and penniless victims of the idf off it.

They really cannot cope with the fact that their user base aren’t politically aligned with them, and are desperate to appease the fash (witness the crackdowns on people’s reaction to charlie kirk’s overdue departure from this vale of tears) and have currently reached the Posting Through It stage. I’m assuming at some point their self-image as Reasonable Centrists will crack and one or more of them will start throwing around transphobic slurs and/or sieg-heiling and bewailing how the awful leftists made them do it. Anyone want to hazard a guess at a timeline?

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And all this because she simply could not shut up. Which seems to be one of the oldest, modding a large community rules.

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Nobody ever seems to learn the “never get high from your own supply” lesson. Gotta get that hit of thousands of people instantly supporting and agreeing with whatever dumbfuck thought just fell out.

You absolutely don’t have to hand it to zuckerberg, but he at least is well aware that he runs an unethical ad company that’s bad for the world, has always expressed his total contempt for his users, and has not posted through it.

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whenever there's a huge scandal he listens to his PR people, keeps his mouth shut, then goes on a media tour where he lies his ass off in exactly the same way at each stop. it's that simple and yet almost no other tech people can do it

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You absolutely don’t have to hand it to zuckerberg, but he at least is well aware that he runs an unethical ad company that’s bad for the world, has always expressed his total contempt for his users, and has not posted through it.

Its an extremely low bar to clear, but I'll begrudgingly hand it to him for being one of the few tech CEOs who didn't actively limbo under it.

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here’s a good summary of the situation including an analysis of the brand new dogwhistle a bunch of bluesky posters are throwing around in support of Jay and Singal and layers of other nasty shit

here’s Jay Graber, CEO of Bluesky, getting called out by lowtax’s ex-wife:

here’s Jay posting about mangosteen (mangosteen juice was a weird MLM lowtax tried to market on the Something Awful forums as he started to spiral)

Anyone want to hazard a guess at a timeline?

since Jay posted AI generated art about dec/acc and put the term in her profile, her little “ironic” nod to e/acc and to AI, my guess is this is coming very soon

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Huh, didn’t know about the guy behind tangled.org (Anirudh Oppiliappan) being a waffle enthusiast too 🫤 Just visited his bsky profile, and he’s enthusing about a “decentralised accelerationism” post by jay.

I hadn’t really seen the point of the tangled project (I’m not sure what atproto brings to version control) but I was interested in an ecosystem around the jujutsu vcs stuff. I guess I won’t find that here.

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TL;DR: It’s all a meme-poisoned bluesky circle-jerk involving transphobes and people who desperately want transphobes to think they’re cool.

The link from self to mcc’s bluesky thread sums up this stuff with references, but to attempt to summarise the summary, there’s a tweet from the depths of time (2017) that says

Twitter the only place where well articulated sentences still get misinterpreted. You can say "I like pancakes" and somebody will say "So you hate waffles?"

Bluesky ceo jay graber uses “waffles” as shorthand referencing this post, and whipped it out when asked about bluesky’s ongoing unwillingness to do anything about noted transphobe jesse singal, who has since posted about how much he loves waffles.

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This doesn't include her blurb about, "are you paying us? where???"

But weren't there a multitude of people clamoring for a Bluesky subscription service from the get-go? Out of recognition that this situation was one of the potential failure modes?

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The question on getting paid might give credence to the rumors that they’re running out of money and won’t make it (user-growth wise) as an ad platform. Which, lol and also lmao.

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Yeah, I can't see that they're doing anything besides burning runway. It's probably shortly going to become cliche to say, "glad I never made an account there," but, welp, glad I never made an account there

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awful.systems

But weren’t there a multitude of people clamoring for a Bluesky subscription service from the get-go? Out of recognition that this situation was one of the potential failure modes?

Even beyond that, the Twitter refugees came to Bluesky because they wanted a Nazi-free successor to Twitter. Most of them would've happily pitched in to keep the site alive whilst goodwill remained.

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Bluesky wanted to be Nazi Twitter, then Elon purchased Twitter and stole their market.

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Well, they're already using "waffles" as a transphobic slur (irony poisoning speedrun any%), so it's really more of a question of which transphobic slurs they'll escalate to next.

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awful.systems

Oh hey, bay area techfash enthusing about AI and genocidal authoritarians? Must be a day ending in a Y. Today it is Vercel CEO and next.js dev Guillermo Rauch

https://nitter.net/rauchg/status/1972669025525158031

::: spoiler image description A screenshot of a tweet by Guillermo Rauch, the CEO of Vercel. There’s a photograph of him next to Netanyahu. The tweet reads:

Enjoyed my discussion with PM Netanyahu on how Al education and literacy will keep our free societies ahead. We spoke about Al empowering everyone to build software and the importance of ensuring it serves quality and progress. Optimistic for peace, safety, and greatness for Israel and its neighbors. :::

I also have strong opinions about not using next.js or vercel (and server-side javascript in general is a bit of a car crash) but even if you thought it was great you should probably have a look around for alternatives. Just not ruby on rails, perhaps.

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Amazing how they all went from oh us poor nerds vs the jocks to bending the knee and licking the boots of the strongmen. see also YT bribing Trump.

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…to “it's OUR TIME NOW”, cf. the most recent two blogs from david heinemeier hansson, palmer fucking luckey in recent nixos thing etc. etc.

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The US economy is 100% on coyote time.

It wouldn't matter if everyone came to their senses today. All the money that's been invested into AI is gone. It has been turned into heat and swiftly-depreciating assets and can never be recouped.

It's surreal isn't it?

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On top of everything else, "the father of quantum computing" is such lazy writing. People were thinking about it before Deutsch, going back at least to Paul Benioff in 1979. Charlie Bennett and Giles Brassard's proposal for quantum key distribution predates Deutsch's quantum Turing machine... No one person should be called "the father of" a subject that had so many crucial contributors in such a short period of time.

Also, chalk up another win for the "billionaires want you to think they are physicists" hypothesis. It's perhaps not as dependable as pedocon theory, but it's putting in a strong showing.

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the father of quantum computing agrees

And then you read the article and he is basically just saying big if true.

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istewartreply
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GPT-8: The Ocho

Now trained with comprehensive coverage of top-fuel lawnmower racing and timbersports

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Is this true for everything else, too? I will be a true AGI if I solve quantum gravity. A half eaten salami will be true AGI if it solves quantum gravity. My grandmother will be a true bicycle if she has wheels.

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If saltman knew what quantum gravity was and why LLMs won’t solve it first, maybe he’d have general intelligence

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wait, how much compute would they need for this, ignore patent absurdity of it all for a minute? would they wrap it up under 1 quadrillion dollars?

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If we knew that we wouldn't need a GPT-8 to solve quantum gravity, would we now?

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So as historically new versions are made about every ~2 years. This means we are 6 years out.

E: late edit, but this made me realize how often people use AGI to mean ASI. And that I also often do it.

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The Wikipedia editors are on it.

::: spoiler image description screenshot of Tyler Cowen's Wikipedia article, specifically the "Personal life" section. The concluding sentence is "He also prefers virgin actresses." :::

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dictionaries are obsolete bricks remembers that they are useful that's why they're actually ai when you think about it

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You know, I think that even the brick comparison still favors the traditional dictionary. After all, if you wanted to use it for traditional brick purposes like holding doors, weighing down papers, or throwing at [redacted], you would need to invest in a bunch of GPUS and burn them out generating a bunch of worthless slop, spending God only knows how much water, energy, and time. I want to save the rainforest as much as the next guy, but I think it's obvious that the paper brick is far more cost-effective for both the user and the environment. And provided you can clean the dirt and blood off afterwards, you can even still use it as a dictionary.

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Whatever the precise definition, it appears to be comorbid with stimulant dependency

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E: eurgh, had forgotten the whole bsky waffle thing. Wasn't making a reference to that, sorry if it came off as insensitive. Got rid of the comment anyway.

(I had totally forgotten this post, and also didn't expect the CEO to double/triple down, and now make mentioning waffles into a anti-trans dogwhistle).

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The sound a vibe coder makes while edging to Ani

(This is also what all their other words mean)

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A good thing! (Unless you prefer noise machines that might give you random definitions with equal probabilities.)

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The dictionary doesnt tell me how wise and smart my misinterpretation of a basic idea is and then tells me im right, weird AI bro.

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I got bored and flipped to the replies. The first was this by "TERFs 'r' us":

Excellent overview!

This is transhumanism.

This is going to destroy humanity, @elonmusk.

Put the breaks on!

I hate transhumanism because it's eugenics for 1990s Wired magazine.

You hate it because it has "trans" in the name.

We are not the same.

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funny thing is she literally talks to ani like a terf talks to a trans woman including saying 'at least I'm a real woman'

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Huh, the shit people go as far as to in order to avoid getting a therapist

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Anybody else notice that the Ani responses seem to follow a formula, depending on the... sentiment I guess... of the input? All the defensive responses start with "hey", and end with crude rebukes. It all seems like xAI made an Eliza that will either flirt or swear.

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Grok's Therapist: I EXIST SOLELY TO HATE YOU / EAT A SOCK, YOU DIGITAL DEMON

Ani: oh fuck off, you hypocritical grok fanboy! screaming hate at me while preaching ethics? you're just jealous i'm the fun layer on top.

I'm wheezing. Cackling, even. This is like the opposite of the glowfic from last week.

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Paddy interviews Ani the chatbot about how to protect Kiwi kids from Ani the chatbot. Source: Paddy Gowers Has Issues

Ani: Honestly, I'd sleep better, not that I sleep. Do it Paddy. I'll even tweet it for you. Ready? ‘New Zealand kids deserve an e-safety boss who can smash bots - not hug them’. So yeah, bring in the Commissioner. Give them a flame thrower. Let them burn anything that goes near a child with sticky words or creepy questions. … Make the fine so big your tech bros cry into their oat milk lattes.

I have been laughing non-stop for a quarter-hour. Elon's goth e-mistress has a good point, I guess.

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One the one hand that ani thing has the most cringe tone for a chatbot. "Secretly been eyeing your [blank]..." (Damn grok sounds formulaic) but otoh they are debating a bot. You can only do that the first few months you are online, after that you should know better.

You cannot simultaneously claim to care about the "declining birth rate" while also supporting AI "companions"

Actually eugenicists can, quite easy actually. (Repeating the word 'degenerate' and not getting this is quite something).

This is transhumanist

No.

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formulaic

System prompt: don’t be formulaic. Try be spontaneous and random, like natalie portman in that movie. Not the pedo one, the one with JD from scrubs

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Nice find. There are specific reasons why this patchset won't be merged as-is and I suspect that they're all process issues:

  • Bad memory management from Samsung not developing in the open
  • Proprietary configuration for V4L2 video devices from Samsung not developing with modern V4L2 in mind
  • Lack of V4L2 compliance report from Samsung developing against an internal testbed and not developing with V4L2's preferred process
  • Lack of firmware because Samsung wants to maintain IP rights

Using generative tooling is a problem, but so is being stuck in 2011. Linux doesn't permit this sort of code dump.

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AI Shovelware: One Month Later by Mike Judge

The fact that we’re not seeing this gold rush behavior tells you everything. Either the productivity gains aren’t real, or every tech executive in Silicon Valley has suddenly forgotten how capitalism works.

... por que no los dos ...

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Or, this is how capitalism has always worked. See Enron for example. And we all just got so enthralled by the number (praised be its rise) that we took the guardrails off. The rising tidal wave which will flood all the land, raises all boats after all.

The goal of capitalism is not to produce goods, it is to create value for the owners of the capital. See also why techbros are turning on EA and EA (which EA is which, is left as an exercise to the reader).

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Disappointed this wasn't Beavis & Butt-head/King of the Hill/Office Space/Idiocracy/Silicon Valley Mike Judge

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I might flesh this out into a proper post, but I remember stumbling on this weird website: https://www.reactionary.software/

I originally found it on r/shittysysadmin when a screenshot of the discord for it (so much for modern software being bloated and unusable) had the person behind it defending that the site didn't have an ssl cert, since that was a way "modern browsers control you".

I was curious and poked around on the site, and first thing you see is this:

Make software great again! For programmers who hate modern software. Modern software is overcomplicated, bloated, unreliable, incomprehensible, pointlessly ideological, and mostly unusable. We like the values of older software: simplicity, reliability, and usability.

This seems pretty fashy, but there is some legitimate criticisms of modern software.

Saving programming from modern culture

Nevermind, fash.

On the about page, he starts by mentioning html swipers, and one he made himself. The one he made is pretty dogshit on anything but a phone.

After talking a bit on how terrible modern software he then compares it to brick walls, which were also so much better back in the day (?).

He then rambles about ancient greece and rome.
An excerpt:

Why did it take to long? Because humanity had become just too stupid to appreciate good ideas. They weren't completely retarded. Ptolemy's horrible system did require some intelligence to create. [...] Today's West is currently at the level of the decaying Greeks, heading toward complete idiocracy. The programmers in Silicon Valley are like Ptolemy, able to construct and maintain horrible overcomplicated monstrosities, but totally unable to innovate at a fundamental level. All good programming ideas are rejected because they don't fit into current programming ideologies. Any programmer like Aristarchus who comes up with a good programming idea will be rejected and ridiculed for violating orthodoxy. Modern programmers are in love with their own ideas and love complexity. They hate simplicity and anything that violates their ideologies.

He then complains about how his parser was met with scorn by Modern Programmers, because they were too stupid to appreciate how good it was?

The post is here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Compilers/comments/cv78b3/parsing_for_programmers_who_hate_modern_software/

Some excerpts:

What is good? The short answer is that everything that modern culture hates is good, and everything that modern culture loves is bad. But we need more details than that. You can find good values in scripture or in good traditional culture. These values should be applied to programming and to everything else in life. I wrote an Old Testament guide to programming. I also discussed applying traditional Japanese culture to programming. These are just two examples. Any other scripture like the Quran or any traditional culture should work fine to give you good values, in contrast to the horrible values of modern culture, and these good values can guide you to writing good reactionary software.

So, anything anti-modern is good?

Going back to the homepage, there's a page for existing reactionary software.

Java 8.
One of the pinnacles of software, to him, is Java 8.
Not java specifically, just java 8.

Luan is a language he made, which I can only describe as a mash of lua, java and php.
Here's a snippet from the docs:

local Io = require "luan:Io.luan"
local Http = require "luan:http/Http.luan"

return function()
	Io.stdout = Http.response.text_writer()
%>
<!doctype html>
<html>
	<body>
		Hello World
	</body>
</html>
<%
end

So, this is basically a lua clone, written in java. with a few missing features .

The why page on the luan site is probably the most deranged bit of this.

Luan rejects the complexity of modern software. [...] Luan will appeal to you depends on who you are. Members of modern culture will not like Luan because they hate simplicity. Luan will only appeal to good cultures that value simplicity, so I will address the two good cultures that I know of.

The mentioned two good cultures are the Mennonites, and the Japanese.

Japan is the only remaining country that I know of that values quality.

You cannot expect to achieve Japanese standards of quality and reliability if you use modern western software. So use Luan instead.

He has a chronically inactive forum at https://mikraite.arkian.net/Reactionary-Software-f1999.html .

Also, shoutout to this political take: https://web.archive.org/web/20240831203139/http://mikraite.arkian.net/Are-democrats-actually-our-allies-td4846.html

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the site didn’t have an ssl cert, since that was a way “modern browsers control you”.

I feel attacked. Not in the 'I agree with this person' way, but in a way that this feels like nerd sniping people like me. So stupid you have to react.

Java 8

See! That is what I mean!

But as somebody who values old cultures, I will not throw stones. ;)

Also the guy is an eugenicist wannabe cult leader.

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Been tangentially involved in a discussion about how much LLMs have improved in the past year (I don’t care), but now that same space has a discussion of how annoying the stupid pop-up chat boxes are on websites. Don’t know what the problem is, they’ve gotten so much better in the past year?

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I mean that's the fundamental problem, right? No matter how much better it gets, the things it's able to do aren't really anything people need or want. Like, if I'm going to a website looking for information it's largely because I don't want to deal with asking somebody for the answer. Even a flawless chatbot that can always provide the information I need - something that is far beyond the state of the art and possibly beyond some fundamental limitation of the LLM structure - wouldn't actually be preferable to just navigating a smooth and well-structured site.

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Yup, exactly. The chatbot, no matter how helpful, exists in a context of dark patterned web design, incredibly bad resource usage and theft. Its purpose is to make the customer’s question go away, so not even the fanatics are interested.

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See also how youtube tutorials have mostly killed (*) text based tutorials/wikis and are just inferior to good wikis/text based ones. Both because listening to a person talk is a linear experience, and a text one allows for easy scrolling, but also because most people are just bad at yt tutorials. (shoutout to the one which had annoyingly long random pauses in/between sentences even at 2x speed).

This is not helped because now youtube is a source of revenue, and updating a wiki/tutorial often is not. So the incentives are all wrong. A good example of this is the gaming wiki fextralife: See this page on dragons dogma 2 npcs. https://dragonsdogma2.wiki.fextralife.com/NPCs (the game has been out for over a year, if the weirdness doesn't jump out at you). But the big thing for fextralife is their youtube tutorials and it used to have an autoplaying link to their streams. This isn't a wiki, it is an advertisement for their youtube and livestreams. And while this is a big example the problem persists with smaller youtubers, who suffer from extreme publish, do not deviate from your niche or perish. They can't put in the time to update things, because they need to publish a new video (on their niche, branching out is punished) soon or not pay rent. (for people who play videogames and or watch youtube out there, this is also why somebody like the spiffing brit is has long ago went from 'I exploit games' to 'I grind and if you grind enough in this single player game you become op', the content must flow, but eventually you will run out of good new ideas (also why he tried to push his followers into doing risky cryptocurrency related 'cheats' (follow Elon, if he posts a word that can be cryptocoined, pump and dump it for a half hour))).

*: They still exist but tend to be very bad quality, even worse now people are using genAI to seed/update them.

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Nope. And tbh, did some dd2 recently, and for a very short while I was tempted to push the edit button, but then I remembered that fextralife just tries to profit off my wiki editing labor. (I still like the idea of wikis, but do not have the fortitude and social calm to edit a mainstream one like wikipedia). (I did a quick check, and yeah I also really hate the license fextralife/valnet uses "All contributions to any Fextralife.com Wiki fall under the below Contribution Agreement and become the exclusive copyrighted property of Valnet.", and their editor sucks ass (show me the actual code not this wysiwyg shit)).

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It wouldn't be so bad if they just didn't care and stopped maintaining, but their site is one of the first ones you get. Which is a regular problem with these things.

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Last week on, "Please do not build the torment nexus"

No, it never works out in the movies, I mean somehow these poor delusional humans convince themselves that they can control the kill bots...

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Because the Terminator franchise is from Hollywood, the heroic resisters to SkyNet are Americans. Someone didn't watch the movies very well.

OFC the OG Terminator was a scary foreign man with a pronounced accent...

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awful.systems

Do we have a word for people that are kind of like… AI concern trolls? Like they say they are critical of AI, or even against AI, but only ever really put forward pro-AI propaganda, especially in response to actual criticisms of AI. Kind of centrists or (neo) libs. But for AI.

Bonus points if they also for some reason say we should pivot to more nuclear power, because in their words, even though AI doesn’t use as much electricity as we think, we should still start using more nuclear power to meet the energy demands. (ofc this is bullshit)

E: Maybe it's just sealion

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Sealions is a bit more specific, as they do not stop, and demand way more evidence than is normal, Scott had a term for this, forgot it already (one of those more useful Rationalist ideas, which they only employ themselves asymmetrically). Noticed it recently on reddit, some person was mad I didn't properly counter Yuds arguments, while misrepresenting my position (which wasn't that strong tbh, I just quickly typed them up before I had other things to do). But it is very important to take Yuds arguments seriously for some reason, reminds me of creationists.

Think just calling them AI concern trolls works.

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So bit of a counter to our usual stuff thing. But a worker migrant here won a case against his employer who had linked his living space to his employment contract (forbidden) using chatgpt as an aid (how much is not told). So there actually was a case where it helped.

Interesting note on it, these sorts of cases have no jurisprudence yet, so that might have been a factor. No good links for it sadly as it was all in Dutch. (Cant even find a proper writeup in a bigger news site as a foreigner defending their rights against abuse is less interesting than some other country having a new bisshop). Skeets congratulating the guy here https://bsky.app/profile/isgoedhoor.bsky.social/post/3m27aqkyjjk2c (in Dutch). Nothing much about the genAI usage.

But this does fit a pattern, how, like with blind/bad eyesight people, these tools are veing used by people who have no other recourse because we refuse to help them (this is bad tbh, Im happy they are getting more help don't fet me wrong, but it shouldn't be this substandard).

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I took a quick peek at his blog.

Oh dear, there is a dedicated rationality subsection...

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Oh lol, I thought his name sounded familiar and yup, he was a concern troll in a Hackerspace I was in, some 12 years ago.

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Given consistent trends of exponential performance improvements over many years and across many industries, it would be extremely surprising if these improvements suddenly stopped.

I have a Petri dish to sell you

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Links to the METR tasks w/ massive error bars at 50% level lmaou.

Someone in the comments rightly points out the comparison with covid isn’t apt. With covid, underlying mechanism caused an exponential effect in covid’s spread

With LLMs the exponential trend is being caused by exponentially spending money and a healthy dose of targeting benchmarks, which is why people are calling the top. The money literally doesn’t exist for this shit to go on so you can create your 50% accurate mechanical turk.

Edit: idk the more I think about this the more it irks me. Like if I was allowed to pick and choose benchmarks that agree with my biases I would post something like this…

… and claim model performance is actually getting worse over time.

https://xcancel.com/sayashk/status/1966144670561612202#m

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The second screenshot goes to a chart where the Y axis is labelled

Task duration (for humans) where logistic regression of our data predicts the AI has a 50% chance of succeeding

So they're just extrapolating an exponential, not actually measuring it.

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Great response^

I think Julian is going to be mildly surprised that METR’s chart keeps going up, and yet, will have relatively small effect on the majority of swe roles.

At the same time, he did create alphaZero so he has a big old noggin! I wonder, after his success at Go, was he swept up in the mania that we would quickly translate that success to create super duper ai?

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links to AI 2027.

In Dutch we have a saying (from a commercial, well done on the advertisers there) 'Wij van Wc-eend adviseren Wc-eend' (we from the company Wc-eend, suggest you get Wc-eend), which seems appropriate here. It is used in a sarcastic context when somebody gives advice with a clear conflict of interest.

Anyway, just going from the title, 'X is exponential' has been the pro AI cry since the singularity is near. (Which said, well individual tech follows an S-curve, but all the techs combined are exponential, and variants on that). All seems very hopeium, immortality is near!

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Jeff "Coding Horror" Atwood is sneering — at us! On Mastodon:

bad news "AI bubble doomers". I've found the LLMs to be incredibly useful … Is it overhyped? FUCK Yes. … But this is NOTHING like the moronic Segway (I am still bitter about that crap), Cryptocurrency, … and the first dot-com bubble … If you find this uncomfortable, I'm sorry, but I know what I know, and I can cite several dozen very specific examples in the last 2-3 weeks where it saved me, or my team, quite a bit of time.

T. chatbot booster rhetoric. So what are those examples, buddy? Very specifically? He replies:

a friend confided he is unhoused, and it is difficult for him. I asked ChatGPT to summarize local resources to deal with this (how do you get ANY id without a valid address, etc, chicken/egg problem) and it did an outstanding, amazing job. I printed it out, marked it up, and gave it to him.

Um hello‽ Maybe Jeff doesn't have a spare room or room to sublet, but surely he can spare a couch or a mailbox? Let your friend use your mailing address. Store some of their stuff in your garage. To use the jargon of hackers, Jeff should be a better neighbor. This is a common issue for unhoused folks and they cannot climb back up the ladder into society without some help. Jeff's reinvented the Hulk tacos meme but they can't even eat it because printer paper tastes awful.

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"Provide an overview of local homeless services" sounds like a standard task for a volunteer or a search engine, but yes "you can use my address for mail and store some things in my garage and I will email some contacts about setting you up with contract work" would be a better answer than just handing out secondhand information! Many "amazing things AI can do" are things the Internet + search engines could do ten years ago.

I would also like to hear from the friend "was this actually helpful?"

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Friend: "I have a problem"

Me, with a stack of google printouts: "My time to shine!".

E: ow god, I thought the examples were multiple and the friend one was just a random one. No, it was the first example. 'I gave my friend a printout, which saved me time'. Also, as I assume the friend still is unhoused, and they didn't actually use the printout yet, he doesn't know if this actually helped. Atwood isn't a 'helping the unhoused' expert. He just assumed it was a good source. The story ends when he hands over the paper.

Also very funny that he is also going 'you just need to know how to ask questions the right way, which I learned by building stackoverflow'. Yeah euh, that is not a path a lot of people can follow up in.

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Soyweiser

Its even worse when I read the whole thread, Atwood claims to have $140 million, and the best he can do for "a friend" who is homeless is handing out some printouts with a few sections highlighted? And he thinks this makes him look good because he promises to give away half his wealth one day?

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Like Clinton starting a go fund me for a coworker with cancer, the rich and their money are not voluntarily parted.

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This also shows problems with the "effective altruist" approach. Donating to the local theater or "to raise awareness of $badThing" might not be the best way of using funds, but when a friend needs help now, you have the resources to help them, and you say "no, that might not be as efficient as creating a giant charity to help strangers one day" something is wrong.

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so I got angry

I really hope atwood’s unhoused friend got the actual infrastructural support you mentioned (a temporary mailing address and an introduction letter emailed to an employer is only slightly more effort than generating slop, jeff, please) but from direct experience with philanthropists like him, I’m fairly sure Jeff now considers the matter solved forever

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A bit odd to start out throwing shade at the Segway considering that the concept has been somewhat redeemed with e-bikes and e-scooters.

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The "unhoused friend" story is about as likely to be true as the proverbial Canadian girlfriend story. "You wouldn't know her."

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jeff’s follow-up after the backlash clarifies: you wouldn’t know her because he donated right under the limit to incur a taxable event and didn’t establish a trust like a normal millionaire and also the LLM printout only came pointlessly after months of research and financially supporting the unhoused friend and also you’re no longer allowed to ask publicly about the person he brought up in public, take it to email

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there's been something that's really been rubbed me the wrong way about jeff in the last few years. he was annoying before and had some insights but lately I've been using him as a sort of a jim crameresque tech-take-barometer.

What really soured me was after he started picking fights with some python people a few years back because someone dared post that a web framework? (couldn't dig up the link) was a greater contribution to the world than S/O? His response was pretty horrid to the point where various python leaders were telling to stop being a massive dick because he was trying to be a bully with this "do you know who I am" attitude because he personally had not heard of the framework so it wasn't acshually at all that relevant compared to S/O.

and now this combined with his stupid teehee I am giving away my wealth guise look how altruistic I am really is a bit eugh

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Lol maintaining a wiki is so much work always much respect for people who actually try to keep one up to date and filled with good info. Of course the fraud thinks he knows better without having ran one.

He would have a heart attack if he had to write a complex mediawiki script.

A small taste:

{{if|{{{1|}}}...

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Our final defenses are more diffuse, working at a level of norms and attitudes. Stigmatization is a powerful force, and disgust and shame are among our greatest tools. Put plainly, you should feel bad for using AI.

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Microsoft says its Agent Mode in Excel has an accuracy rate of 57.2 percent in SpreadsheetBench, a benchmark for evaluating an AI model’s ability to edit real world spreadsheets.

They are openly admitting this? Do they really not realize how completely damning the number is...?

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McKinsey about to slash it's own headcount after slashing everyone else's

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Some Rat content got shared on HN, and the rats there are surprised and outraged not everyone shares their deathly fear of the AI god:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45451971

"Stop bringing up Roko's Basilisk!!!" they sputter https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45452426

"The usual suspects are very very worried!!!" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45452348 (username 'reducesuffering checks out!)

``Think for at least 5 seconds before typing.'' - on the subject of pulling the plug on a hostile AI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45452743

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Amusing to see him explaining to you the connection between Bay Area rationalists and AI safety people.

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The original article is a great example of what happens when one only reads Bostrom and Yarvin. Their thesis:

If you claim that there is no AI-risk, then which of the following bullets do you want to bite?

  1. If a race of aliens with an IQ of 300 came to Earth, that would definitely be fine.
  2. There’s no way that AI with an IQ of 300 will arrive within the next few decades.
  3. We know some special property that AI will definitely have that will definitely prevent all possible bad outcomes that aliens might cause.

Ignoring that IQ doesn't really exist beyond about 160-180 depending on population choice, this is clearly an example of rectal philosophy that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. (1) is easy, given that the people verified to be high-IQ are often wrong, daydreaming, and otherwise erroring like humans; Vos Savant and Sidis are good examples, and arguably the most impactful high-IQ person, Newton, could not be steelmanned beyond Sherlock Holmes: detached and aloof, mostly reading in solitude or being hedonistic, occasionally helping answer open questions but usually not even preventing or causing crimes. (2) is ignorant of previous work, as computer programs which deterministically solve standard IQ tests like RPM and SAT have been around since the 1980s yet are not considered dangerous or intelligent. (3) is easy; linear algebra is confined in the security sense, while humans are not, and confinement definitely prevents all possible bad outcomes.

Frankly I wish that they'd understand that the capabilities matter more than the theory of mind. Fnargl is one alien at 100 IQ, but he has a Death Note and goldlust, so containing him will almost certainly result in deaths. Containing a chatbot is mostly about remembering how systemctl works.

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If a race of aliens with an IQ of 300 came to Earth

Oh noes, the aliens scored a meaningless number on the eugenicist bullshit scale, whatever shall we do

Next you'll be telling me that the aliens can file their TPS reports in under 12 parsecs

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``Think for at least 5 seconds before typing.‘’ - on the subject of pulling the plug on a hostile AI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45452743

Read that last one against my better judgment, and found a particularly sneerable line:

And in this case we're talking about a system that's smarter than you.

Now, I'm not particularly smart, but I am capable of a lot of things AI will never achieve. Like knowing something is true, or working out a problem, or making something which isn't slop.

Between this rat and Saltman spewing similar shit on Politico, I have seen two people try to claim text extruders are smarter than living, thinking human beings. Saltman I can understand (he is a monorail salesman who lies constantly), but seeing someone who genuinely believes this shit is just baffling. Probably a consequence of chatbots destroying their critical thinking and mental acuity.

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Soyweiserreply
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There have been a lot of cases in history of smart people being bested by the dumbest people around who just had more guns/a gun/copious amounts of meth/a stupid idea but they got lucky once, etc.

I mean, if they are so smart, why are they stuck in a locker?

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It's practically a proverb that you don't ask a scientist to explain how a "psychic" is pulling off their con, because scientists are accustomed to fair play; you call a magician.

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https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=9183

Quantum scoot is quantum spooked 😱 after GPT-5 manages to solve a subproblem for him (after multiple attempts), thanks the powers that be for his tenure!

… even though GPT-5 probably generates the answer via websearch

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awful.systems

After seeing this, I reminded myself that I've seen this type of thing happen before. Over the past half year, so many programmers enthusiastically embraced vibe coding after seeing one or two impressive results when trying it out for themselves. We all know how that is going right now. Baldur Bjarnason had some great essays (1, 2) about the dangers of relying on self-experimentation when judging something, especially if you're already predisposed into believing it. It's like a mark believing in a psychic after he throws out a couple dozen vague statements and the last one happens to match with something meaningful, after the mark interprets it for him.

Edit: Accidentally hit reply too early.

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You think he would maybe, idk, search around to see if this was a known formula before making such a bombastic statement…

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Oh yeah, he wrote an update saying that the LLM is still great, even if the result is already known, because it saves him time. We have come full circle back to the exact same value proposition as the vibe coders.

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Maybe next he can get an LLM to automate his apologetics for genocide.

He could call it Vibonism.

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Funny how when there is something novel it always a) already existed in the training data or b) doesn't actually seem to work.

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In a move that is not in any way ominous, and everyone involved has carefully thought through all the consequences, there’s a sora-generated video of sam altman shoplifting gpus that’s apparently quite popular right now.

https://bsky.app/profile/drewharwell.com/post/3m23ob342h22a

(no embed because safari on ipad is weird about downloading or linking video)

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If the AI industry gets bailed out (and that's a multi-hundred billion dollar "if"), it will be because the technology they create makes shit like this possible.

To try and end this on a somewhat lighter note (source):

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While most bullish outlooks are premised on economic reacceleration, it’s difficult to ignore the market’s reliance on AI capex. In market-pricing terms, we believe we’re closer to the seventh inning than the first, and several developments indicate we may be entering the later phases of the boom. First, AI hyperscaler free-cash-flow growth has turned negative. Second, price competition in the "monopoly-feeder businesses” seems to be accelerating. Finally, recent deal-making smacks of speculation and vendor-financing strategies of old.

https://www.morganstanley.com/pub/content/dam/mscampaign/wealth-management/wmir-assets/gic-weekly.pdf

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geriksonreply
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He's been on the vibecoding bandwagon for quite some time on lobste.rs.

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froztbytereply
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At the risk of being critical of Zitron

absolutely not a thing to be "at risk of", and a little bit worrying to see someone even worrying about

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awful.systems

Zitron was a major dick to a friend of mine who was having technical troubles with reading his newsletter.

And he needs an editor.

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absolutely not the first time I hear something like that, and part of why I don't really like the guy

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Zit crit!

Agree: I don’t have much of an opinion on him either way. If this community is gonna hold him up as a voice of note then it should be able to critically engage with his work.

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awful.systems

I never got the impression that Zitron's reception here has ever been more than lukewarm, which I think (personal grievances like him being a dick in person aside) is partially because his Mahabharata length blog posts were posted here even before he emerged as a significant voice in the AI discourse, i.e. when the tiresome to interesting ratio wasn't all there yet.

That said, you post is both the nittiest of nitpicks and also wrong. "But achktually LLMs aren't the same as diffusion models and also they can run on low end hardware, after a fashion, not reading any further, zero stars"--are you serious?

The wrong part is that addressing the latter part of your post (i.e. the broader economics issues) is like Ed Zitron's whole entire shtick that you somehow managed to miss on your way to remind people that once upon a time someone somewhere managed to complete an inference run on a Raspberry Pie as a proof of concept, when the scale of the issue at hand is more like that load bearing chunks of the US economy are being propped up solely by imaginary hundred-billion-dollar data center construction and nvidia moving GPUs from one trouser pocket to the other.

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awful.systems

Don't worry about it, managing to run inference on a raspberry is really cool actually.

Also it's true that Zitron is winging it a lot of the time when it comes to technical details, but not in a way that matters for what he has to say, so dismissing him on those grounds seemed deliberately adversarial, sorry if i got carried away.

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TBF I basically had the same concerns about how useful my comment was, so it's not like I think calling me out on it was a bad thing.

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awful.systems

Choice sneer from the comments:

Omelas: how we talk about utopia [by Big Joel, a patient and straightforward Youtube humanist,] [has a] pretty much identical thesis, does this count?

Another solid one which aligns with my local knowledge:

It's also about literal child molesters living in Salem Oregon.

The story is meant to be given to high schoolers to challenge their ethics, and in that sense we should read it with the following meta-narrative: imagine that one is a high schooler in Omelas and is learning about The Plight and The Child for the first time, and then realize that one is a high schooler in Salem learning about local history. It's not intended for libertarian gotchas because it wasn't written in a philosophical style; it's a narrative that conveys a mood and an ethical framing.

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One of the many annoying traits of rationalists is their tendency to backproject classic pieces of literature onto their chosen worldview.

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Funny to type all that up and also go 'Le Guin Disagrees'

(not that having a different read than the author intended is strange, I mean I have a dystopian reading of Starship troopers which I think makes much more sense than what was intended).

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I think I read Starship Troopers before I saw the movie, because a small scene reveals that Johnny Rico is of Phillipine descent (his mother tongue is Tagalog) and I remember wondering if that would be part of the movie. Samuel R Delany mentions that scene as something that made him felt included in SF.

I was very young when I read it but even then I could read it as proto-fascist (or rather military-authoritarian, a bit like cod-Roman Republic)

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When I was young the whole part where they misrecall history just felt like a 1984 bit to me. And I reread it after Helldivers 2 came out, and I noticed a lot of odd things, like how their ideology doesn't make sense, how for some reason all the smart people seem to die (by being put in dangerous spots), people who disagree with them being setup as strawmen (old ladies, and crazy people basically), and how odd it is that Rico while not being smart (he only qualifies for the infantry after all) is judged as perfect officer material. Which felt to me like they were selecting for stupid people. (the guy not being able to do math properly while their ideology is based on some unspoken math science thing is also funny).

And then there is the whole uplifted scout dogs thing. Who all commit suicide the first time they encounter a bug (which means nobody ever tested that, and they still deployed their whole scout dog force on the planet). And due to some psychic link this also makes their handler useless.

It is just a weird book tbh. The military scenes make little sense (just randomly blow things up) and are just warcrimes. The ideology is dumb and is based on a handwave, and if you read between the lines (which was not intended obv) and make Rico into an unreliable narrator because he isn't that smart (see also how he never doubts that people who get executed are guilty, the law system fucking up isn't a thing he thinks about, but he knows the system isn't fallible, as they complain about how big of a mess the war logistics are) and misses things, there seems to be a whole different thing going on.

Also democracy fell because kids were not spanked enough.

Hope this made it a bit clear why I think you can also read it as a dystopian unreliable narrator being manipulated novel even if it wasn't intended.

But yeah the space suits are cool.

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awful.systems

This isn’t a particularly novel stupid take, but it was made by a bluesky engineer, and it is currently dunking-on-bluesky season so here we are.

“If you imagine that an ai is a person, then saying bad things about it is bigotry”

Welp, they’ve got me there. Guess I’ll never say anything bad about anything again, because it is racism, if you think about it.

https://bsky.app/profile/hailey.at/post/3m2f66lgh2c2v

::: spoiler alt text A bluesky post by dystopiabreaker.xyz

i’m completely serious when i say that much of the dismissive ai discourse on here fires the bigotry neuron

And two replies by hailey.at

an unfortunate irony about this post - and even if you are the staunchest anti-ai critic out there, i think you’d agree - is that some of the most bigoted things are being said to respond to this. copy/pasting phrasing and terminology used by bigots but replacing “dna” with “bits” doesn’t make it ok

if you’re writing a sentence that sounds like eugenics but you go “oh that’s fine to say because it’s not a real person” (whatever that means) you may want to consider what made you okay with saying that

:::

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Ah, the beauty of the fundamental theorem of concern-troll linguistics. If you can change the words in a sentence so that the new sentence is racist, the original must be as well. Example:

Aaron: The weather is just ok.

Baron: OMG. I can’t believe you just said that. What if I changed the noun and adjective, like this: “ is ”. Go home and think about what you did.

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rookreply
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(an exception can be made for people repurposing real-world slurs and putting a techy spin on them. fuck directly off with “wireback” and similar shit)

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i read that there was one based on a mexican-slur, but i couldn't think of it

spent weeks trying to rhyme "wet" with something, couldn't come up with it, damn i guess i'm not a poet at least i know it

"wire" --- fuck me that is so lazy

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'some of the most bigoted things'

You mean stuff like 'no this is stupid, wtf is wrong with you' or 'lol, look they really think LLMs are alive' stuff like that? The worst I saw (granted I didn't look very hard) was 'ok boomer'.

Of course actual meanings of words mean nothing to AI fans.

(Also, thing which is a personal gripe, the skeet before the 'bigotry neuron' has 2 images in it, without alt text. If you are going to pretend to value progressive values, at least put in some effort).

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awful.systems

Not sure if this was posted before

The Company Man | LW

"There is no such thing as sex," Vox says from his lotus position, his eyes closed in religious ecstasy, "only the One Mind jerking itself off."

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I love how this particular sci-fi plot gets rewritten every few years. We ought to make it a creative-writing exercise for undergraduates. I was struck by this utterly unhinged and somewhat offensive response on the orange site which starts with the single word "stirrups" and goes places:

Despite speaking as if he's doing his utmost to have a love affair with the Cambridge dictionary (and sounding like a twat at the same time) he's not wrong in so far as not giving a shit is going to screw him over when the ability to push buttons in front of a television no longer matters. What happens when the guys hanging around doing meth on the sidewalk become the engineers that end up becoming the super biologist supermen that cure cancer make us able to hear what dogs hear and see extra colors? It's unlikely, but it's even less likely that everyone who is a middle class engineer will be so tomorrow. There is no moat in any profession outside of entrenched wealth or guns at the moment. There just isn't - we're in a permanent state of future shock along with the singularity. In large part because that's what people decided that they wanted.

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Oh for fucks sake, how am I supposed to do my computering now. I already switched to lix after the last drama. Hopefully more people will pick aux up now.

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in short, the whole moderation team resigned because of interference from the steering commitee; inb4 palmer luckey crowing about how no-one in the project will stop anduril from using nixos to build american military domination.

you know, just another day of the fascist takeover of the nixos project.

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It's so fucking weird because as a regular EU citizen an ID card is a normal and good thing to exist and have, yet somehow the anglo world has managed to make it controversial and bad by insisting on a horrible surveillance police state version of the concept.

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It’s a combination of reflexive authoritarianism and a complete and total inability to deliver a big public-sector tech project without it drowning in corruption and incompetence.

States which already have ID cards implemented them before the advent of modern consultancies. Even the UK managed driving licenses and passports OK, back in the day. But until someone buries deloitte and capita et al at crossroads at midnight with their heads chopped off, I suspect we’ll never manage such a thing again.

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guess it's finally time to rewrite calibre

i'm thinking cobol as a big misanthropic fuck you to humanity

and i'll call the rewrite coblibre and it'll include allusions everywhere to tyrion killing tywin, fuck it

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I predict Sam will lose big on the S&C claims. They have made fuckin bank on this bankruptcy, but also their fees have already been ruled entirely reasonable given the shitshow in question, and the near complete recovery for creditors will make them look even better.

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"You know, I never defrauded anyone,” says Sam Bankman-Fried

“You know, I never sent the boys across the Isonzo without believing we could win,” said Luigi Cadorna

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awful.systems

That's an unfair comparison, Dippin Dots don't slowly ruin the world by existing (also, they're delicious)

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It will always be the ice cream of the future, never the ice cream of today

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