Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 28th September 2025 - awful.systems
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Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
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personal vent: at my job yesterday i had to come up with a few fake book titles/author combinations for a project. a fun little task and opportunity to hide some cheeky easter eggs. so, i came up with a few and then asked my coworkers to share in the fun. one of them though just couldn't come up with anything at all, and eventually just resorted to "asking chat gpt".
mind you, i work a creative job, and so do my coworkers. this is a minor thing i guess, but it just made me very sad. how could you just outsource your creative joy to some mindless word salad machine?
Man, knowing nothing else about your coworker, they sound like a completely joyless person. Coming up with fake titles for things is like, such a high fun-to-effort ratio. “Creativity and the essence of Human Experience” by Chat GPT. Boom, there’s one. “Cooking With Olive Oil” by Sam Altman. “IQ184” by Harukiezer Murakowsky. This is so fun and easy that it’s basically hack outside of situations where it is solicited.
not joyless at all. i suspect they're creatively worn out. if you make a job out of your hobby, etc etc. combine that with habitual chatbot use and there you go. it's overall just grim honestly. i'll change vocation though if i'm ever forced to partake in the slop at work, thankfully so far that hasn't happened yet.
Ah, gotcha. fwiw I wasn’t saying that to say “joyless people are bad”; burnout also tends to look like joylessness.
Is NP P or is NP not P, thats the question, by Scott Scottersons-Scottsson
Quantum Computing Since Diogenes by Karl Snarx
Sorry to ask to dissect the frog, but what's the story behind Altman and olive oil?
Kind of a fluff story (archive) where salty’s douchiness is on full display.
I referenced it because fake book titles are throwaway jokes, you can reference something hyperspecific and not have to worry about whether or not someone will get it, because they might not even notice it at all.
God, we had so much fun doing this at my uni when creating an example DB table for an exam (only it was fake song/band combinations). Are you sure your coworker isn't a robot themselves?
This story gives "Bezos buying random cassettes at the gas station" doesn't it?
A full timeline on the RubyGems takeover has been put together - looks like the entire situation's been caused by pressure from Shopify.
Who's left to do actual work? Who would start a new project that depends on these institutions? Does ruby just die now?
Also:
lol
I'm curious whether you or @[email protected] are familiar with the concept of MINASWAN. The only time it's appeared in the discussion is in one of the apologies posted by one of the Ruby Central board members, as their signoff line. Quoting a 2016 analysis of MINASWAN in which it is argued that Ruby's central tenet is not MINASWAN, but wa (和):
Also, I really think it's worth understanding that Ruby is not at risk here. Ever since the release of RPG Maker XP in 2005, Ruby has been a staple of embedded scripting for game engines. Really, what we're seeing here is the demise of Rails.
Part of the background to this issue is the development of
rvwhich apparently offers a future where rubygems is much less important, and some folk seem to be taking that as a threat.Whether or not the new tooling delivers, the rubygems debacle has probably helped the new project considerably.
It'd be lovely to see the correct folks build a better one with blackjack and webhooks.
Honestly, it probably will. The RubyGems takeover shattered any trust people had in the Ruby ecosystem - that's something which is damn-nigh impossible to recover from.
Today’s related news: the tailwind css guy is a big fan of dhh and the rubygems takeover.
https://bsky.app/profile/jaredwhite.indieweb.social.ap.brid.gy/post/3lzofv4wi4yz2
I miss the days when being publicly fashy was considered poor pr, but on the other hand it does make it a lot easier to avoid their companies and products.
Tailwind is pointless, incidentally.
I have no idea about Ruby or the politics behind the scenes, but I do know who DHH is and so it seems like literally none of this would've happened if not for point 2. on the list?? Just like, don't platform the rancid toxic cesspit of a man and you're fine??
Techdirt: AI Slop Startup To Flood The Internet With Thousands Of AI Slop Podcasts, Calls Critics Of AI Slop ‘Luddites’
They say "Luddites" as if it's a bad thing...
This quote is just... something.
Is the plan to literally create 8 billion podcasts in the near future? This company doesn't think that might be a tad excessive?
Tech take from the near future: Podcast life begins at conception i.e. the instant one thinks the inside thoughts should be outside
new extreme strain of catholicism: life begins at conceptualization
Uh I think we are very quickly and dangerously approaching Dawkinsian Meme Theory
RAIDEN!
Ed: I'm sure there's an MGS2 quote I can't think of that would make this actually funny, but here we are.
black mirror enhancement: because the algorithms involved may present multiple likely fits to any given input, each output is also considered a conception and given due protection (even if not used)
The Ai bubble has taught me that the luddites are really misunderstood.
https://pluralistic.net/2022/01/04/general-ludd/
The spectre of Marx nods in approval
They put 'environmental impact of AI' on the front of the student newspaper (below the fold, but still), then you flip and see this
kinda feeling two steps forward, three steps back rn on top of all the other drama on campus
Harvard Business Review: AI-Generated “Workslop” Is Destroying Productivity
This scream into the void has been on my mind for a while: Apparently I work for an AI company now.
Kinda.
When I had the interviews with my now-employer at the beginning of the year, they were an open-source cybersecurity startup. Everything sounded great, we got along, signed the contract. I took a long vacation before starting the position, and when I got back, I was... amused? bewildered? to find that a), we are no longer open source; and b), we have pivoted, hard, towards AI.
Luckily, I still get to work 100% of the time on the core (cybersecurity) product (which is actually a really good and useful thing, sorry, not going to be more specific), it's just that part of the dev team, as well as all of marketing and sales, now work on building and selling an AI product built on top of that.
At least it's not a wrapper around ChatGPT, and does offer something kinda new and actually beneficial, but still, it's an LLM product.
Now, for the actual scream-into-the-void: Once a month, in a company-wide meeting, I have to observe how people praise LLMs to the the moon, attribute nonsense or downright bugs to something akin to proto-sentience, and give absurd estimates of profitability based on the idea that AI will totally be used everywhere and by everyone, very soon now, you'll see. What finally prompted (pun intended) me to post this is the CEO yesterday unironically referencing AI 2027's "predictions".
Can't wait for the bubble to burst. I'm really curious to see if I'll keep my job through that. At the end of the day, the stuff I work on luckily has nothing to do with AI, and basically every other application of the product makes more sense; but now the entire company has shifted gears towards AI...
You would hope that, if they take their job seriously, the managers who predict AI mooning, that they also write predictions for the other situations. And not just the best case scenarios.
I mean... yeah, you would hope that, wouldn't you? And to be fair, they were selling the product beforehand as well. It's just apparently a lot easier to sell the AI angle right now.
Yeah hope for your job that they don't bet the company on the 2027 thing. Because that would be quite the failure of management. If they just use it as a tool for sales I get it (don't like it, but I get it), the CEO being all in on it is worrying though, which is why I hope he has also made predictions for what if he is wrong and AI never advances anymore significantly (or even becomes a liability as a sales tool).
Realistically, the bubble bursting just means going back to pre-2025 target markets. But who knows.
For the company hopefully, but it could also turn into 'any mention of AI gets interpreted as a bad sign' and you need to pivot before that affects the bottom line. (clearly the pendulum is towards it being a good sign atm).
crikey. I assume the CV is in good order and kept updated on the job sites just to see what comes in.
Yeah... (Un)fortunately, everything not AI-related is pretty great in regards to the company, so I've decided to stick with it and hopefully still be there after the bubble bursts, unless they try to reassign me to the AI-project, then I'm gone.
take care and step carefully. there's a moment where the stress from working for a company with goals that counter your personal ethics is going to be hard to bear, and the worst thing you can do then is to change your value system to reduce the cognitive dissonance.
Thanks, I appreciate the concern. Luckily, the entire core dev team is very critical/cynical about AI, it's not just me, everyone I directly work with also wants to build the product for its intended purposes, not for AI-use. I think that somewhat lessens the pressure to go with the narrative.
Plus, I can't see that happening while participating in discussions on this lemmy instance :D
In any case, thank you for the sound advice,
Mawhrin-SkelFlere-Imsaho!Cloudflare sponsors Ladybird and Omarchy, techfash workfare
TIL about Omarchy.
Of course it uses Hyprland. Of course the demo video on the website shows using Grok in it.
Still can't believe that choosing a Linux distribution now involves decision-making factors like "what's their take on fascism". But I guess the real problem is that such questions weren't asked for way too long before.
Remind me: why is Hyprland bad? I don't doubt it is, I just need it to add to my mental list of stuff to avoid.
https://drewdevault.com/2023/09/17/Hyprland-toxicity.html
tl;dr: incredibly toxic transphobic community enabled by the devs
Yep... also: this. To be fair, the project did have a blog post last year about improvements to moderation, and claim that transphobes would not be tolerated, but I don't know how things developed after that.
why the hell are they sponsoring omarchy
how is a customized hyprland config "helping the open web"
Maybe more on-purpose obscurantism ala Urbit?
Damn, I was kinda hoping the Ladybird guy wouldn't turn out awful but nah, can't have shit in IT.
has there been more indication of him being a bit fashy since that one github issue? haven't been following it that much.
he keeps hanging out with fascists and receiving money from organizations that support fascists and something about his personal brand in interviews being wearing “Big Tech is gangstalking me” t-shirts also very much rubs me the wrong way
ladybird is a ridiculously unserious project (last I heard they were considering a rewrite in Swift and ignoring everyone who told them why that’s a terrible idea, maybe they’ve given up on that by now) and I frankly have no idea why it’s being hyped over Servo as an independent browser project other than a general willingness in tech to play ball with weird little fascists
e: also this lobste.rs subthread
fucking hell. but in hindsight, the vibes were always just a little bit off in his videos. guess servo is the only hope for a decent browser free from corporate/technofascist garbage.
nice, good collection of links, will help next time I need to find it. couple weeks ago I mentioned it on masto and I had someone Very Huffily reply to me (a situation I resolved by simply blocking them, gfy with that nonsense)
The lobsters thread linked in a sibling comment has more examples, but here's him eulogizing Charlie Kirk in a nazi bar https://nitter.net/awesomekling/status/1966456391146606806
as a bonus here he does a "i'm not usually political, but the left is evil" https://nitter.net/awesomekling/status/1967493595545682220 great, just great
real fucking weird tweet from ronacher there too
No way, really? Are you really doubting the professional nazi troll's desire to have his convictions challenged through good faith dialogue?
no, you see, exchange of opinions with charlie kirk was supposed to work like this: you get in with your opinion and leave with his
It is well known that the Marketplace Of Ideas is Zero Sum
I was hoping it was meant as a trollish sort of post (because anybody who didn't realize that soon after ~2016 has not paid any attention), but then he did a bothsides. Really doing a 'lets be open to the idea of gay people being stoned (and that isn't even the correct quote, it is put to death, leviticus is specific (it also seems to only be about people in Israel, or else the land will vomit you out, and old testament. Kirk wasn't even a good bible scholar). and trans people being eradicated'.
dunno, I seem to recall I've seen a couple other stinkers from ronacher lately. dude's also full on the LLM bandwagon iirc
probably need to keep a notes file
Red site's having a normal one about it
Usual suspects weighing in.
I mean, of course they are. Perfect culture fit, both projects.
They banned the guy that wrote the theil antichrist notes.
https://sfstandard.com/2025/09/23/spilled-peter-thiel-s-antichrist-secrets-now-s-banned-lectures/
legal threats?
Doubt that is legal, but yeah good luck suing Thiel over an event like this and keeping a job. Stuff is so fucked. Remember when hackers were proud to leak this stuff, like how people worked together to go after scientology.
it would be very funny if Rocco Basilico’s legacy was that his name bore resemblance to Roko Basilisk and nothing else
::: spoiler image desc Quote tweet: “my name is rokos basilisk and i’m making artificial intelligence that you put on your body”
Quoted tweet: an embedded article platforming Meta’s Chief Wearables Officer named “Rocco Basilico” :::
My name is Rocco Pa'perclip Basilico Yudkowski Way...
Just got back from the Ted Chiang talk at the law school, talk was good but all the Q&A was lawyers ask-telling about LLMs. Not a single question for him about his fiction. :(
Ted Chiang rules.
Bethany Brookshire:
Cloudflare seems to be trying to make a shitcoin https://netdollar.cloudflare.com/
Okay, let's see what the dumbshits are trying to sell this time
(This took longer than I'd liked, because copy-paste is pretty laggy on Cloudflare's shit-ass page)
"Agents" are automatic data breach machines, letting them repeat that time they stole vibe-coders' crypto on a larger scale is a terrible idea
Autonomous agents don't exist, and the only "new economic paradigm" being made is one where tech is completely unmoored from reality
See my previous point
Went so well for Wolf Game, didn't it?
And by "frictionless, global commerce", I presume they mean "sanctions evasion and ransomware"
Just like Tether! /s
How about never.
Cloudflare is about to get really familiar with North Koreans.
Starting this Stubsack off with Brian Merchant's newest article: The Luddite Renaissance is in full swing
This week's southpark makes fun of prediction markets! Hanson and the rationalists can be proud their idea has gone mainstream enough to be made fun of. The episode actually does a good job highlighting some of the issues with the whole concept: the twisted incentives and insider trading and the way it fails to actually create good predictions (as opposed to just getting vibes and degenerate gambling).
House Democrats have dripped more details from Epstein files and we have surprise guests! They released an un-OCR'd PDF; I'll transcribe the mentions of our favorite people:
Zorro is a ranch in New Mexico that Epstein owned; Epstein was scheduled to be there from December 5-8, so that Musk and Epstein would not be at the island together. Combined with the parenthetical uncertainty about happenstance, did Epstein want to perhaps grant Musk some plausible deniability by not being present?
From the rest of the schedule formatting, the redacted block following Thiel's name is probably not a topic; it might be a name. Lunch between two rich financiers is not especially interesting but lunch between a blackmail-gathering Mossad asset and an influencer-funding accelerationist could be.
Well now, this is the most interesting one to me. This isn't Epstein's only breakfast of the day; at 9 AM he meets with Reid Weingarten, one of his attorneys, about some redacted topic. Bannon's not exactly what I think of as a morning person or somebody who is ready to go at a moment's notice, so what could drag him out of bed so early? (Edit: This vexed me so I looked it up and sunrise was 6:48 AM that morning at sea level. It would have been the crack of dawn!) Epstein's Friday evening had had two haircuts, too, with plenty of redacted info; was he worried about appearing nice for Bannon? (The haircuts might not have been for Epstein, given context.) This was a busy day for Epstein; he had a redacted lunch date, and he also had somebody flying in/out that morning via JFK connecting to Saint Thomas and staying in a hotel room there. He then flew out of Newark in the evening to visit the infamous island itself, Little Saint James. The redaction doesn't quite tell us who this guest is, but it can't be Bannon because the Dems fucked up the redaction! I can see the edges of the descenders on the name, including a 'g' and 'j'/'q', but Bannon's name doesn't have any descenders.
Also Prince Andrew's in there, I guess?
Any of the big Rationalists get mentioned yet?
From RationalWiki: Yud claims that the only women he gave orgasms for completing math homework was his future wife. If he ever denied dating / playing with people from his foundation or making people who wanted to play with him fill out an IQ test I can't find it.
I see he did the whole 'making an accusation sound more silly to undermine it' thing here, nobody said things about a whole harem of mathematicians, who just solve math problems. Nice steelman. I expect nothing less of somebody who was the subject of seven broadway plays.
(Amazing he basically admits the story is true after that, but continues to debunk the strawman).
I also don't understand why he objects to that story given that it gets people talking about him as weird but able to get what he wants? But the claim that he dated women at MIRI and wanted them to provide free labour attacks the narrative that MIRI is nothing like Leverage Research or the Zizians.
Yeah, I thought that it read like a guy who constantly denies rumors about having an enormous wang.
Dude is a serious narcissist.
I was about to point out that I think this is the second time he claimed math pets had absolutely no basis in reality (and someone countered with a source that forced him to) but I double checked the posting date and this is the example I was already thinking of. Also, we have supporting sources that didn't say as much directly but implied it heavily: https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/42iv09/a_yudkowsky_blast_from_the_past_his_okcupid/ or like, the entire first two thirds of the plot of Planecrash!
TvTropes says that the Yudkowsky-insert protagonist of Project Lawful/Planecrash! is driven by desire to have 144 children (and prove his society wrong for not paying him to have 144) which sounds like Scott Aaaronson? Did they know each other in those days?
I am glad that all I knew about Yud in 2022 was "wrote a Harry Potter fanfic that I did not finish, and runs a website where people pretend to be experts."
🎶 I would sire a gross of kids / and I would sire a whole gross more / just to be the man who dropped full two gross kids in baskets at your door 🎶
This is the first time that I have viscerally rejected reading the epigrammatic quotes at the top of a TV Tropes page. Like, it's TV Tropes, and I just closed the tab. Dear sweet and crunchy lord.
He does not admit "I was wrong" very often does he? And if I were a kinky polyamorist, I would be much quicker to respond to "have you dated staff at the organization that funds your life?" than "did you play a specific scene?"
Planecrash seems to be the 1.8 million word Pathfinder fic with tumblr's UnitOfCaring
And how the eff does someone claim to love Pterry in his dating profile but see people as things? Greg Egan is basilisk-unfriendly too.
Quick PSA: There's an open letter calling for a fork of Rails, specifically to purge it of David Heil Hitler's influence.
this you?
again, I ask you: please make better posts. you could start by not shooting from the hip about things you know little to nothing about. even better would be asking questions to learn.
nice to see the blinders coming off more widely:
Hey fellas they're building a mako reactor in my back yard:
https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville/nashville-neighborhood-questions-new-data-center-project/amp/
I need you to understand how nearly I added myself to even more watch lists because of that analogy. Avalanche!
o7
The neighbors are right.
https://bsky.app/profile/jpeg40k.bsky.social/post/3lzrvedbfe22o
Found a well-done essay by Jared White recently: AI Apologists and the Humanist Legacy of Steve Jobs, which does a good job sneering the ideology of AI and arguing for a more pro-human approach to tech.
This article also reminded me of how when they are trying to promote AI agents they dont get further than shopping, a secretary, or help you cook with random ingredients. No real human connections
New premium column from Ed Zitron: OpenAI Needs A Trillion Dollars In The Next Four Years. Features Ed calling Google and Oracle out for failing to protect their investors from Saltman before the cutoff.
Satire warning!!! 🚨🚨🚨 You have been warned!!!
Some great tips for using ChatGPT to stop being a “Brain only” person to a fully optimised person!
I eagerly await the day when we hear about these people from 1-900-HOTDOG instead of Behind the Bastards
OT: I had a realization awhile back that I’d basically cut American scifi out of my life. The politics are just gross to me now, and the overseas stuff is just plain more fun.
What comes out of the states seems to reduce to libertarian (closeted white nationalist) wank fodder, and I guess its been this way since…Campbell? Certainly Niven-Pournelle. It just got gross.
(Partially prompted by me listening to Iron Council again).
there's plenty to read; an incomplete list of authors just off the top of my head: nnedi okorafor, ann leckie, martha wells, kate elliott, annalee newitz, sarah gailey, malka older, sarah jane anders…
Man I’m getting some great recommendations out of this.
These are great recs. You can definitely find good sci-fi out of America as long as you pick from authors that aren’t white, straight or cis. Marginalized people have a really good sense of the world (no doubt because they need it to survive)
Dunno I just enjoyed the fuck out of "Landlocked in Foreign Skin", like it's been a long time since I pause my life to devour a book in one sitting like this, and given that Drew Huff writes from Seattle I'm thinking they're a USian? And I was really engrossed by Arkady Martine's A Memory Called Empire which resonated a lot with my experiences as a Third World immigrant, with a certain honesty in portrayal of what it feels like to admire "culture" at a distance from a colony that I seldomly see (I'm on book #2 currently). I'm more of a fantasy reader, but Octavia Butler and Le Guin's sci-fi were absolutely formative to me, and if you ask me one modern sci-fi series I liked besides those mentioned so far, I'd probably say Wayfarers or Monk & Robot. Plenty of good SF authors from the USA whose politics are more or less the opposite of what you describe.
The trick is I read books by queer folk, women and PoC almost exclusively. Absolutely don't regret it, all the fun stuff is there in the margins.
I’ll have to try some of this then!
Ngl, Iron Council made me ugly cry.
Also highly recommend Machineries of Empire by Yoon Ha Lee.
It's got romance. It's got swashbuckling. It's got vendettas. A woman smashes a genocidal empire with mathemagic. Conversely, the empire's greatest general is an effortlessly cool gay dude with dyscalculia from the Korean part of Space Texas who lives in people's shadows, and it makes sense how that happened. The genocide happens because of a lone maniac's insane tech debt. Different factions try to subvert each other via cleverly designed board games. There are soooo many unhealthy relationships.
5/5 stars
You had me at the dyscalculia part!
On a semi-related note, I recently got around to reading Kim Stanley Robinson's The Ministry for the Future (loved the Mars trilogy and thought I should get to his latest), and this chapter had me wanting to give up sci fi as well, so I will subject you all to it:
I am Jack's bone-weary sigh.
Well that's going immediately onto the "things that looked promising but what the fuck, so actually don't read ever" list.
It's one of the most unevenly written works I've ever read. The opening chapter is absolutely harrowing,and many of the subplots are pretty interesting. It's not like KSR is a cryptobro, he offers plenty of critique of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies in the novel, he just adopts "blockchain" as a handwave-y fix for financial transparency. It's also at least interesting to see attempts at optimistic climate fiction, but I think the novel could do with a couple hundred fewer pages.
His attempts at Steinbeck sprinkled throughout, of which that chapter is the worst, are universally terrible, though.
Not sure if a LessWronger extensively quoting Accelerando as a blueprint for a singularity takeoff is complimentary to Charles Stross:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Xp9ie6pEWFT8Nnhka/accelerando-as-a-slow-reasonably-nice-takeoff-story
Worht noting is that the novel is 20 years old...
Do like somebody left a nice trap there:
(Unrelated, hope Stross's recovery is going well, sorry for being a bit parasocial relationshippy here).
I like singularity sky more as a sort of critical book about how a post scarcity singularity would be easy to mess up. Very funny that it inspired the US to give free phones to Afghans to try and combat the Taliban.
I keep meaning to reread it and report back on zeerust aspects!
the story of open source burnout for the past 20 years is that venture philanthropy was not a thing, quite the opposite
The starshot people just found that out the hard way, not sure if it also holds for breakthrough listen.
Disappointed that no one has tried to sell the US government an "Agent Smith" smh
God save me from arguing with HPMoR readers.
i assume this is in relation to this cognitohazard
Sadly no. Though thank you for making my life immeasurably worse by sharing that.