AOC Reportedly Prepping for 2028 Presidential or Senate Run
US Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is gearing up for a potential Senate or presidential run in 2028, igniting excitement among progressives nationwide. #AOC2028
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I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see how 'Murica could be ready for a young, progressive, intelligent woman to lead
She is a true powerhouse, but' Murica is a broken, ignorant and hateful place
America rejected Hillary and Kamala because they were empty-suit neolibs who campaigned on ignoring the working class' problems, not because they were women.
I hope you are right
Also, because the voting public is dumb AF. Not actually voting on principle, ideology, or policy. Simply voting against whoever is perceived as in power. If they feel the government isn't helping them. Even if it means voting for someone who will be objectively worse for them.
Exactly the opposite, actually. Not all principles have value. Any principle that would have you not help the people you can because it would be unfair to the people you can't has no value. Anything purported to be virtue in that vein is just signaling.
Until such time as state and federal governments are depredicated. The calcified concentrated power and resources shattered and returned to the people. Refusing to do the minimum you could to help anyone and show solidarity. Is no virtue or principle worth mentioning.
Even If neoliberals are no ally to anyone but themselves. If you couldn't be bothered to vote for Clinton or Harris in the general election. To keep the person actually attacking minorities from office. You are even less of an ally to trans gays and minorities of every stripe. Unless you're actually doing something concrete like leading bloody revolution in the streets to help them.
That's because there should be no president, no governor, no senator. The more power becomes concentrated. The more it necessarily becomes a choice of the lesser evil. Failing to take concrete action in the face of that. Is nothing to crow about or admonish others for not following.
I live in a blue patch of a red county in a red state. A state that just tried and failed to take what little non existent representation we had away. By making our districting worse. Believe me I know intimately what it's like to feel like your vote doesn't matter. I could take schadenfreude at those usually isolated from their poor decisions in blue states. Facing concrete negative consequences. Re illegal deployment of national guard etc. Or ICE brown shirts. But I don't. And honestly there's not a lot more people in blue states could do beyond not campaigning against the best possibly achievable option. Living in a blue state isn't a right, it's a privilege. It's easy to forget and become detached from others.
Voting won't fix anything on it's own. It's not even half the equation. Without being or supporting the people worth voting for. Voting can only slow disintegration at best. When it comes to herculean lifts like corrupt national offices. It's gonna take us all working together. If there are elections next year or after. I have some small hope. But only time will tell.
And elected Trump twice because he obviously was full-suit man of the people with so many swell ideas about working class.
Americans, you see, are voting based on economical policies rooted in reality.
He was the only candidate in the general 2016 talking about jobs. His opposition's slogan was "America is Already Great". In 2024, his opposition was arguing she would better implement his signature policies of
imperialismthe most lethal military andcruelty towards brown peoplesecuring the border.Honestly, yes.
Yeah that’s a ton of bullshit.
Yeah. Truth is they probably would have focused on making working class problems worse, just like Billy boy.
Not even close. The most I will give him is that he was closer to FDR than any of the Democrats in-between. Ideologically, FDR 1.0 had ambitions for what an FDR 2.0 could do, and Biden wasn't it. Biden barely moved the needle to reclaim any of the things Democrats lost us in the intervening years. Operationally, Biden had none of FDR's zeal to actually get things done. Biden needed to be far more Machiavellian and, because he wasn't, his agenda was stalled and the architects of January 6 were emboldened to try again.
These two videos do a better and more entertaining job than I can to lay out why Democratic reform is absolutely necessary to get us out of the mess we are in. If Democratic voters don't learn extremely quickly, this America has no chance at all.
https://youtu.be/lxzosX50Aes
https://youtu.be/zBUxIa_5cuM
Gotta use those sarcasm tags. Too many people still buy that garbage. :/
Ha ha ha ha ha ha Ha HA HA HA. Nobody has ever won an election in this country through the working class, dude.
Imagine being so ignorant of history that you forgot about FDR.
Everyone I know would vote for her.
Same but I live in a bubble
… do you have enough air?
It’s a big bubble
Some say it’s the biggest bubble. That there’s never been a greater bubble. They’ve been trying to make this bubble for almost 150 years and I’m the one finally making it happen
But the question was, “how are you holding up?”
Oh, I get it
I only associate with other people with politics like my own (because conservatives are shitty people who I refuse to have anything to do with)
But I know that outside my bubble, there's a world of selfish, hateful, ignorant cunts
You must live in a dark blue state.
I do yes. It’s pretty much navy blue. Haha. And I recognize that is the reason!
Not exactly. DNC had to do a LOT of fucking around to keep Bernie from the presidentcy. And he would have crushed Trump so badly cheating wouldn't have worked. I had hoped they would run AOC instead of Kamala once it was clear Biden was unfit. She would have been just old enough
It would've been quite the sight
I take it from the sudden massive influx of "AOC BETRAYED US ON ISRAEL NOBODY VOTE FOR HER" narrative, that somebody somewhere thinks she's a candidate who would cause problems if she did run
She did, and if she were running, she could fix people calling her a zionist by changing her stance on Israel.
So this entire narrative that AOC is pro-Israel now, is spun up from a single vote she made on an amendment MTG made that would have removed a small amount of funding for Israel including a grant which is used among other things for some of their “defensive” weapons for civilian areas, while leaving intact the waterfall of money for their offensive weaponry. AOC along with almost everyone else voted no on that amendment, and then said some dumb shit about why she did. The amendment was never going to pass. The impact on Israel or anyone else was pretty minimal. It did nothing for offensive weapons, it was just a stupid amendment during a busy day of actual work, so AOC voted against it.
Of course, later on, she voted “no” for the massive funding bill which spent $830 billion on various types of killing, including $6 billion for Israel for offensive weapons, which has been pretty consistently her stance on Israel throughout including vocal oppsition both verbal and material. At one point she was doing enough that Biden got mad at her personally and they had a meeting about it or something, because she was materially gumming up the works. Her support for Palestine is super rare in the US congress. Nonetheless these guys are still talking about how bad she betrayed Palestine. It becomes a whole narrative, where she’s now pro-genocide irrevocably forever, and if you challenge them on it, they can run and hide behind the fact that she did, in fact, vote against that amendment, and so it’s proved now. She’s bad. Don’t vote for her.
For some reason, this only happens to the left-est of left politicians. You will never heard someone randomly start cursing about how big an asshole Joe Manchin was when he did absolutely incalculable damage to the planet by blocking the first iteration of the IRA. No, you will only hear these kind of neatly-packaged reasons not to support a left politician deployed and repeated (there are only like 10-20 of them, you start to see them repeat after a while if you pay attention) against the leftest of the bunch.
Wonder why.
Espionage
That’s my answer for $100.
I struggle to see it too, but I think I'd rather her lose than newsom win. I've always been a "harm reduction" sort, but I see NO way out through the dem establishment: a third senile trump term would probably be better in the long run than watching the ratchet click yet again. America needs change and leadership that actually believes in something positive enough to fight for it.
What about Walz? He's decently progressive (for America).
Give them enough time and you’ll hear how he’s bad for us all.
It doesn’t matter which candidate is in the front, the propaganda and hate machine will shift focus and they’ll lose.
Now that's some bullshit.
Simply don't support bad policies that hurt your constituents and benefits the donors class.
Ok. So, Waltz. When do “we” get marching orders to hate him?
If people are telling a politician a thing they are doing is bad, maybe consider they have a point and the politician should stop instead of demanding fealty. Confusing whether we are supposed to represent out politicians or our politicians are supposed to represent us is how dems justify doing the shit that tanks their popularity.
Ok.
Same thing a lot of people said about a black guy with a Muslim name, while still deep in the "War in Terror" fog. I was among them, and very wrong.
Amongst them, get it right whilst you talk the politics.
I’m American and I’d vote for her! But I’m on Lemmy/PieFed so I’m not your average American lol
Everyone who would object to one of these would object to all of them, so really there's not much difference between an old white male progressive and a young brown female progressive in terms of electability, and as we know from Bernie those are plenty electable. I mean hell, Obama was black.
Sometimes the best candidate is a woman. That just how life be.
I agree
Too many people in the US still think that blokes should be in charge, no matter what
It's a very weird place
I hope she runs for the Senate. That would be the best move forward for her at this time.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/17/trump-aoc-voters
AOCIA will not bring the change either but carrot go brrr.
That "or" is doing some serious heavy lifting.
I might buy a new television or an automobile.
Will there be elections?
Senate is a safer bet, and Shmucker needs to go.
Half of them are getting a great tax cut from Trump
Please no president. Senate is ok.
America has shown it can't handle a woman, much less woman of color, much less young, much less progressive. The DNC just needs a straight white man who is decently progressive but appears to be moderate on stuff. All of this to say: Tim Walz please.
Probably Senate to primary Schumer. That would be the only logical move.
Schumer is a spineless AIPAC sellout. Easily one of the main reasons why the Democratic Party is so disliked.
I think everyone can agree: Fuck Chuck Schumer, he has to go.
New York can do better than Schumer. The toughest part is all the money and endless positive press that sellouts get.
Congratulations for scapegoating women rather than addressing any of the other more meaningful commonalities between Clinton and Harris.
The sexism even more disgusting when compounded with the hypocrisy: centrists smeared Sanders in 2020 by claiming he said women can't win.
Now that they don't want a particular woman to run, they'll scream that sexist garbage like it's gospel.
I'm talking about the moderate conservatives who hate Trump, and maybe aren't too involved in politics. They are more traditional but would vote for progressive policies if they were packaged correctly. It's a sad state of the country, but with Newsmax and Fox brainwashing people, that's the only winning strategy.
They. Will. Never. Vote. For. A. Democrat. You're alienating your base in order to chase a bunch of nazis to the right.
You can't say you want someone who is "decently progressive" and then pretend we can't nominate a woman because we don't want to turn off moderate conservatives. It's nonsensical.
Her gender wasn't even a serious line of attack during the campaign and she went so hard to the center she was losing votes in the cities, the core source of Democratic votes.
It's not what I want. It's what the non-MAGA moderates would vote for.
because moderate politics have been going so well lately ...
Notice how I said "appear". Just the fact that he's an old, straight, white male is good enough for many of the moderate conservatives who hate Trump.
And here we go again. Get a conservative who pretends to be moderate! (You know that's what it will be. It's why you're advocating for yet another fucking moderate) We'll get the conservative vote this time! Or we'll lose! The important thing is that no one to the left ever gets representation!
You should go read my comment again, because you completely missed the point.
You're advocating for trying to appeal to republicans. That's what the party does. It's how they keep losing.
I'm advocating for appealing to their most base desire, which is bullshit identity stuff. A sadly large amount of people would vote for a white man just because it's a white man. The policies themselves could be pretty progressive.
From the people who seriously expected you to buy "biden is the most progressive president since FDR" and "I'm a progressive who gets things done."
Maybe if the party would quit trying to pass off centrism as progressive, I'd buy that.
What, as a “government in exile” kind of thing?
In before the delusional naive tell us how she’s going to save the day.
Do people in the US not realise there won’t be any more fair elections? A coup is unfolding by white supremacists and you’re all like “here, look, the brown female chick will right the ship”.
Go to the history section of a library before they burn them down.
Came here to say this. Look prople, Trump bragged that is we elected him, it would be the last time we needed to vote. We need to start believing him when he says things. There will be no 2028 election. Look how much he's already broken, and he has 3 more years to finish breaking our democracy.
There will be elections probably, the same way Russia or North Korea do "elections"
Fuck off doomer.
A point well argued with merit and substance. Perhaps you want to become a master debater?
Elections in the US are never fair. They’re simply a contest of who gets the smartest lawyers and the most funding.
She won't win. The right will never vote for her because they see her as far left, and the far left will never support her because they she's not "pure" enough for them. The only people who will vote for her are people who lean moderately to the left which make up somewhere around 1/3 of voters.
Democrats don't win with women. That's all there is to it.
Below 30 is not statistically significant, and you have 2.
Centrist democrats don't want AOC to run and they're willing to hold back all women to prevent that.
That's all there is to you.
Ok, go ahead and run AOC and lose to JD Vance.
Oh don't worry. She won't make it through the kabuki that democrats have the temerity to call primaries. Whatever corpodem no one actually likes that your wing of the party decides to force on us is gonna lose to vance.
In other words, it's gonna be newsom.
I'm a leftist, but I'm also a realist. AOC will not win against a man. I'm not saying she shouldn't be able to run or that she would be a bad candidate. I'm saying that the majority of voters are sexist.
I don't buy that narrative. I think republicans are sexist and democrats need someone they can actually trust to vote for. That's not gonna be newsom, but unless there's a strong candidate on the progressive side that can overcome the party's ratfuckery, we're gonna get stuck with newsom.
Which means he'll lose to whoever his republican opponent is, and the left is gonna get blamed again, and the party will shift even further to the right and throw more vulnerable minorities under the bus in a fruitless attempt to gain republican votes.
I think you surround yourself with good people and believe that to be how the rest of the country is. A lot of voters are racist, sexist, idiots.
Yes, and they aren't going to vote for newsom either, no matter how many of his opinions he gets from charlie kirk.