Has anyone defederated your instance? Introducing Defederation Investigator
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.basedcount.com/post/113726
I couldn't find any tools to check this, so I built one myself.
This is a little site I built: the Defederation Investigator defed.xyz. With it, you can get a comprehensive view of which instances have blocked yours, as well as which ones you are federated with.
The tool is open source and available on GitHub. Hopefully someone will find it useful, enjoy.
https://defed.xyz/Open linkView original on discuss.tchncs.de398
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You should probably cache results so users aren’tspamming other instances
Looks like the usage may have gone over Vercel's usage policy (I'm not super familiar with Vercel)? I see the following when trying to bring it up:
That's very useful, thank you @[email protected]
Just to note if copying the URL you have to strip off the https:// or else it won't work (maybe people just don't copy that these days, but I ran in to that problem anyway).
Uh yeah that is true. This was a one afternoon project, so I kinda threw the frontend together without thinking too much of it. I guess truncating the protocol instead of relying on the users doing it makes sense.
Also: tested it on mobile. And my probe capitalized the first letter, returning an “instance not found”.
Noted, adding a forced
.toLowerCase(). I'm implementing all of the feedback I've received thus far right now.Awesome!
@[email protected] @[email protected] both changes have been pushed and deployed, thank you for your feedback.
Literally the first link on join-lemmy.org has a table showing all instances and it shows both how many instances that instance is blocking "and* how many other instances are blocking that instance
https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances
how's that helpful if you don't know which ones
Very cool, ive been wondering about who defeds the most and now I know. Thanks.
ok, it seems to be working 😆
even lemmynsfw defederated them, lol 🤣 why?
they are are extremely obnoxious mix of tankies and some other leftists who might have been slightly less obnoxious if they were on their own, but being in the group with said tankies, you don't want them any more than the former
i apologize for grammar structure of my sentence and hope it makes some sense
if you have few days of time to kill you can check this thread where lemm.ee admin is asking lemm.ee users about their opinion on defederating them. they brigade the thread in such a way they make more than 77% of the 2k comments in the thread (not exaggerating - the thread has 1920 comments when viewed from lemm.ee and 425 when viewed from lemmy.world which blocks them) and explain their philosophy in the process. so you will understand stuff like "who absolutely needs to be murdered for the crime of having more money than you in order to make world more just place & other tankies' wisdom".
you have to acknowledge that they did really good job of introducing themselves, though - i had no idea they even existed the day before that thread and i am firm proponent of "defederate. now." today 😆
No better boner killer than people spamming mao's dong.
I normally hate the whole de-federation thing, but the radlib chapocels there are annoying af.
Never seen exploding-heads before, so I went to their page ... turns out they're leaving lemmy and the fediverse for nostr: https://exploding-heads.com/post/765290
Main reason being all the "censorship" (ie defederation) they've received.
What is nostr?
Crypto social media as far as I can tell. It is essentially a microblog. Jack Dorsey is into it, and weird is that cares more about it than BlueSky.
Didn't wanna be friends with those le redditors anyways
Yeah, not really surprising. Radical left is usually shunned much more readily than the far right.
Really says a lot about the liberals around us.
I wonder what happens when you scratch them
Oh wow, I just looked up Lemmygrad and was shocked and dissapointed at the results, seeing the Exploding Heads results changed that dissapointment to complete disgust.
Thank you for this, @[email protected]
Oh I forgot about this community. Thank you for spreading the word.
You are welcome, thank you for your work!
Thanks, bookmarked!
Just linking a similar tool because I haven't seen it being mentioned yet: https://fba.ryona.agency/
I didn't know, thanks for letting me know. I frankly do not care though, in the exact same way that I do not care that Lemmy is made by tankies.
The interesting bit would be how people with these extreme agencies abuse these tools or their users to further their goals.
As I see it, both cases are questionable people providing useful tools free for me to use. Wether I use these tools or not, has what impact in regards to their agenda? I certainly would not like to be a pawn in their game, or support their cause without consent.
If you think that's what happens, please show me. That would be very interesting to know and might lead to me ceasing usage / recommendation.
Not just that, in all interactions with them, I've never found the devs to be anything but respectful.
Well, that is partially because they leave the less respectful interactions to their alt-accounts ;)
But yes, the software is written with good intentions.
I haven't heard of them. What are they about?
Oh I think Danny Brown mentioned this on one of his podcasts. Thanks.
I'm not sure how the developer's intention or leaning affects me. Or how my usage or non-usage affects their intention or leaning, or how they can act on it. Maybe my usage provides data for them to improve their tools? But since the tools themselves are agnostic, I'm not sure how that's a bad thing either.
Strictly speaking about functionality, I saw no alternative which is on par to the .agency tool. It has more features, is faster, provides more information and causes less strain on network servers. At least that's my quick impression.
Anyways, thanks for the conversation!
Let's go even further than that. Let's say that the most annoying people around the whole Fediverse are Hexbear. On the worst days, all they do is to organize to spam specific threads, which is indeed annoying, but that's the extent of it. KiwiFarms is responsible for harassing people until they commit suicide for the heinous crime of being weird. Anyone aware of this who wants to associate with them has no place in civilized society.
What I'd really like to have is a tool that lists blocked communities. That information is not as public as defederated instances.
aaaand it's down. worked this morning but now it fails with PAYMENT_REQUIRED
6 instances have. Out of 1350ish.
A total of 29 users. Oh my.
any reason why sopuli.xyz isn't included?
You can ask the creator (see the original post that I crossposted)
Wait why is “dubvee.org” defederated from my instance? Interesting…
They don’t have any contact info, I guess I should PM from another instance.
Its really strange since there is no porn, controversial opinions or else on the instance.
Might be your TLD blocked by whatever firewall they're using?
Nope it was about a removed community. They're refederated now.
Looks like the only people not federated with the midwest are super small instances that aren't federated a big way with anyone.
We got 10 detractors!
It doesn't recognize kbin.social? Maybe I input the url incorrectly. Just curious
Only works with Lemmy instances I think, I'm not sure what the technical reasons are.
@Mane25
No, it seems to work with my Mastodon instance - regarding Lemmy servers only. I just ttied https://defed.xyz/check/social.freetalklive.com It works spectacularly. :-)
@Chetzemoka
Actually you're right and kbin.social works as well, I should have checked.
Excuse me?
I think it only recognizes as "valid", lemmy instances. But kbin will be searched and it at least listed those instances federated with me.
It says no instance found but specifically says Jengo hates you..
I can see federated instances and 1 defederated even though it says no instance found (I think the tool is still case sensitive btw)
Did this stop working?
Great tool! Thank you for creating and sharing it!
Man... beehaw fucking sucks
Why?
Its an echochamber that defederated whit most instances, and they very good at gatekeeping since if you try to sign up in there they ask you for an esay to sign up like if they where hot shit and theres a 30% chance they acctually let you in, and the moderation in there is pretty ban heavy and the admins are pretty much reddit mods that love to keep their echochambers closed. So thats why.
OK. So? It's their instance, their rules. I don't get it. You don't like it, go to a different instance and live your life.
Sure but that doesn't mean we can't criticize these instances for their stupid decisions.
Why? It's like criticizing what someone does in their own house.
And? Say they throw all their recyclables in the garbage or in their yard. Should I not criticize someone for that?
Or maybe they have a rape dungeon in their basement.
Those things affect other non consenting people. If someone voluntarily joins an instance with mod policies you dislike a) it's their choice b) they are free to leave whenever and move to a different instance
Username checks out.
Otherwise thats what im doing, and i just complain about it cuz i can and dont agree with their methods. Im not ddosing them or trolling in there. They do them and continue to suck at it imho. And besides i just answered cuz someone else asked me why i think it sucks.
I think it has mostly friendly and mature discussion there. I'd have my account there if they federated more, but that's my choice as it is theirs.
Yes they want to be a safe space for their users, if some people want to talk on the internet without being harassed I’m happy for them
True, but they are not very welcoming either, or inclusive if you will.
interesting. ty
This won't be abused at all...
Will it though? It's essentially public info already, and is a core part of how Lemmy works.
Definitely, but I can see what the TC is saying. This tool simplifies the process even further for troll(s) who campaign against those trying to evade them.
It also simplifies the process for people trying to avoid the trolls.
How can it be abused and to what end? You can go to any (instanceurl)/instances to see what it's federated to.
A similar tool has existed for years and it is run by Kiwifarms with the primary purpose of ban evasion for trolling and harrassment campaigns.
KF has a fedi site?
sadly yes.
who is kiwifarms?
You are lucky that you don't know. But people elsewhere in this thread have explained already.
thanks for letting me know, i found a wikipedia link in the thread.
You get a list of the instances that have defederated from you, and you mount a coordinated attack against them
Yeah the only polite response, until we end in M.A.D. those poor botnet owners need a hand.
No I'm just saying how this can be used in an attack. I'm certainly not advocating attacks of any kind.
Same here, I was just attempting to joke.
Ahhh my bad. Fell for Poe's Law lol
On mastodon, in my circles at least, it's taboo to link to the equivalent for mastodon. It makes any harassment campaigning, trolling and re-routing much easier. Unless you're willing to build the tool yourself, you just don't really know these numbers. Once you use the tool (and I have seen and used it), you see very easily who the big defederators etc are.
I'm going to bet that this tool is not worth what ever value or curiosity it provides. It so easily puts targets on instances backs, including smaller instances that are probably easy targets.
I think it's probably the most important piece of information to have when choosing a server.
While a lot of people have said "it can be used for harassment", I've not seen any information yet on how that could be. On the contrary, I think being open and up-front about federation policies is important for a healthy community - it avoids arguments about going behind people's backs.
I'm with you on the transparency and policies. Completely.
But there's a big difference between
policiesand a public page that tells the trolls "you have been defederated by all of these people".