There is no international standard on what should be counted as suicide
Even if there was, reporting quality would be very different between cultures and rural vs urban environments
I think statistics coming fron authoritarian regimes are not trustworthy (I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to categorize which states are authoritarian)
This is more dodging the points raised than addressing them. You have proposed reasons for why the data may not be as accurate as possible, but that only prompts further investigation, not closing the book entirely. Further, all states are "authoritarian," and no state wants to report a high suicide rate, so that isn't a reasonable counter. Until the state withers away, it's better for workers to have control of that authority.
You're not going to see a significant suicide rate, if the people who might kill themselves, are killed by something else first. Mostly looking at NK.
As for China, their population is so large that almost any bad stat looks small. Zoom in on someplace like Hong Kong, and the stats go right back to concerning.
Perhaps higher, because Hong Kong was under British imperialist control until recently, and was capitalist until recently, like Taiwan and South Korea are.
But if per capita stat is small isn't it just a good thing in general? If you cut up the population groups into multiple population sized chunks with the compared countries, they each will still have a better number.
It's like we normalized stats PER CAPITA so population number don't really affect it!
That China averages out to stats that look OK, doesn't make the stuff happening in HK or Xinjiang go away.
If you cut up the population groups into multiple population sized chunks with the compared countries, they each will still have a better number.
Not necessarily. If you average everything, that hides any outliers.
The bigger the sample size for your stats, the less it tells you. You could have an entire country's worth of people in China, living in conditions that lead to horrible stats, and have that essentially disappear in the stats of the whole country.
You should break stats down into smaller chunks. But not just arbitrarily. Do it by province, city, district. That's how you find the problem areas. The bigger the area you measure, the less the stats tell you about the individual citizens.
The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.
The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.
Its not suicide if you die from defacto slave labor to create cheap products. Since this strategy of state-subsidised factories, normally operating a massive net loss, being employed to undermine economies around the world in exchange for dependence on China, a workers suicide could be ruled a MIA since its economic warfare. Not suicide.
Further, China is "undermining" western, imperialist economies, but is actively engaged in multilateralism in the global south. They gain influence because their involvement actually develops the global south, rather than relying on an extractionary form of economy like the US and Europe do.
Reported* suicide rate
If you have evidence that it's greater or lesser in any of these states, then please, share. Otherwise, this is just a non-falsifiable claim.
No I do not have good data. But neither does OP.
This is more dodging the points raised than addressing them. You have proposed reasons for why the data may not be as accurate as possible, but that only prompts further investigation, not closing the book entirely. Further, all states are "authoritarian," and no state wants to report a high suicide rate, so that isn't a reasonable counter. Until the state withers away, it's better for workers to have control of that authority.
It's even worse in South Korea and Taiwan?
Is that percent of the population or per 1000?
This is how people generally lie with statistics
Every 100 000.
This is formatted to imply percentage, but for that the decimal points on these should be moved three digits over.
That 16.6 is 0.0166%.
Well yeah.
You're not going to see a significant suicide rate, if the people who might kill themselves, are killed by something else first. Mostly looking at NK.
As for China, their population is so large that almost any bad stat looks small. Zoom in on someplace like Hong Kong, and the stats go right back to concerning.
Hmm I wonder why Hong Kong specifically would have a concerning suicide rate
Perhaps higher, because Hong Kong was under British imperialist control until recently, and was capitalist until recently, like Taiwan and South Korea are.
The increase is recent, and still rising.
Unless you have evidence that such a hypothetical is actually occurring, why float it?
That’s not how per capita rates work.
But if per capita stat is small isn't it just a good thing in general? If you cut up the population groups into multiple population sized chunks with the compared countries, they each will still have a better number.
It's like we normalized stats PER CAPITA so population number don't really affect it!
That's not really my point.
You can't cancel out bad things with good things.
That China averages out to stats that look OK, doesn't make the stuff happening in HK or Xinjiang go away.
Not necessarily. If you average everything, that hides any outliers.
The bigger the sample size for your stats, the less it tells you. You could have an entire country's worth of people in China, living in conditions that lead to horrible stats, and have that essentially disappear in the stats of the whole country.
You should break stats down into smaller chunks. But not just arbitrarily. Do it by province, city, district. That's how you find the problem areas. The bigger the area you measure, the less the stats tell you about the individual citizens.
What’s happening in HK & Xinjiang?
Previously:
Previously:
Its not suicide if you die from defacto slave labor to create cheap products. Since this strategy of state-subsidised factories, normally operating a massive net loss, being employed to undermine economies around the world in exchange for dependence on China, a workers suicide could be ruled a MIA since its economic warfare. Not suicide.
~ The Chinese government, probably
The PRC has outlawed slave labor, and purchasing Power in 2022 was 25 times higher than 1978. It's time for you to turn off Fox News.
Further, China is "undermining" western, imperialist economies, but is actively engaged in multilateralism in the global south. They gain influence because their involvement actually develops the global south, rather than relying on an extractionary form of economy like the US and Europe do.
Anything's possible when you make shit up
It’s funny when .ml actually encounters real people who downvote their bullshit
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