[Reddit/Community Meta] Welcome Back Everyone. Now Where Do We Go From Here. It Is Up To You.
Vote if you like, but the primary reason I'm posting this is because this community has been linked as a reddit alternative in the post.
Welcome gamers! You do not need an account on kbin.social to post here. Pick any Kbin or Lemmy server (lemmygrad and lemmy.ml are not recommended), make an account, and type @[email protected] in the search bar to get here.
Consider subscribing to /c/[email protected] as well if you're able. There's been some odd bugs getting their posts, hopefully that's ironed out. These projects are still somewhat early in development, but have a promising future!
Also: consider searching #GuildWars2 to see even more discussion from the wider network. If you have any questions about federated social media, please ask them below :D
Nice of them to link here, it's still a small community but that's not always a bad thing, and neither is moving away from reddit as much as possible since things there are just going to get worse there. It's still early tech but it works well most of the time and has really great potential, especially now that it gained popularity and additional developers/funding due to the reddit boost.
As for @guildwars2, I don't think we're able to connect to them at all for some reason. I can't find them in the browser to subscribe to them, and their kbin page (https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]) is 404-ing meaning it was never even synced (nobody ever subscribed to it).
When I saw, that the gw2 reddit didn't stick with their blackout, i created an account with kbin.social
I was also able to subscribe to https://kbin.social/m/GuildWars2
Wow. I am feeling a bit more than disappointed by this move.
I mean, I guess all well and good for everyone that just wants to go back there, but frankly for me? this makes me want to never do it now, even when I might have maaaybe considered it before had they stuck to what they said they would do.
I made some nice friends there and will miss them, but I think the environment is frankly just not worth it anymore.
@ernest hey sorry to ping you, but could you look into this?
It seems that federation between Lemmy and Kbin is broken again. For some reason, it is still possible to connect to communities that was connected before federation broke, but not newer communities:
Works
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]
Doesn't work
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]
It is a bit different though, I can search for [email protected] and actually find it: https://i.imgur.com/Pf7k3jO.png
Now that I've actually searched for it once the page you linked should actually start working too instead of throwing a 404.
This never happens with [email protected], search always returned nothing. It really looks like something specific between lemmy.wtf and kbin.social.
You are right. This confirms that something must be setup wrong on lemmy.wtf. Before I kept thinking that it might be because I am using a Cloudflare tunnel for lemmy.wtf...
edit: Does kbin.social keep timing out for anyone else right now?
It's been timing out for a few days now.
May this still be caused by the Cloudflare Challenge as pointed out in the following lemmy issue on GitHub or has this been solved already?
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3020
Would it matter when you are trying to reach lemmy.wtf from kbin.social? The Cloudflare Challenge shouldn't do anything for outgoing from Kbin.social.
I use Cloudflare and Cloudflare Tunnel for lemmy.wtf as well, so maybe Cloudflare is blocking Kbin.social's request?
As far as I understand you are both using Cloudflare and I assume that the Cloudflare Challange only hits incoming connections, but I have no practical experience with Cloudflare myself.
Anyway, when both
lemmy.wtfas well askbin.socialare using Cloudflare, then traffic is always incoming via Cloudflare whenever those instances are trying to communicate/federate with each other.I've found posts which suggest to exclude certain paths/URLs from bot detection thereby suppressing the Challenge when a bot does what a bot is supposed to do, but there also appears to be an Essentially off setting which one could try temporarily to see whether this solves the issue.
Looks like
kbin.social's IP is registered on Cloudflare's DNS servers, but the IP belongs to Fastly.Maybe running a lemmy or kbin instance behind Cloudflare isn't such a good idea after all. Apart from communication problems like federation not working properly there are some serious privacy concerns or rather running federated network traffic through a centralized US based network service kinda contradicts the whole fediverse idea.
Yes, I believe cloudflare blocks federation.
Only between kbin and Lemmy, but why?
I don't know. Some people over in the kbinmeta group might have an answer for you. I just know that when kbin had cloudflare turned on we couldn't communicate with anyone outside of kbin.
iirc that was happening for kbin.social for a while during a ddos attack. cloudflare does mess with federation quite a bit.
I made a few posts on m/kbinmeta but I never received an answer. I found a list of instances we federate with (not sure how to find it again) and lemmy.wtf was on the list.
Just saw the post over at reddit. Decided to just move here now cause of all the shit happening over at Reddit.
This is a big win for the fediverse. Really awesome that r/guildwars2 is suggesting alternatives to reddit.
Its really nice to see this community have an alternative. It was really jarring to watch all this nonsense unfold and see users confused as to why they were locked out of content.
thanks for setting this up. just created account here after seeing the r/ post
I hope kbin or lemmy take off
if T_D can create a reddit clone so can we
f reddit
The beauty of federated social media is that it doesn't matter which one "wins". Once bugs are sorted out, Kbin can see Lemmy's content and Lemmy can see Kbin's.
Everything here is connected, so it ultimately won't matter which platform or server you choose. Obviously there are levers for admins to defederate (or, refuse to communicate with) from servers who host illegal content or enable spammers. This is generally a last resort though; most admins believe strongly in keeping everything connected.
The following unviversal subscribe links should work from/on any lemmy instance (which already knows about the community on
lemmy.wtforkbin.social, i. e. at least one user has searched for it.)Dunno, if there is a kbin equivalent. Maybe the following works on a kbin instance (as soon as the Remote Magazines are known)?
Both of those links lead to 404s.
I assume you are referring to the
/m/..links?The first link does not work , because
kbin.socialdoes not know about the community onlemmy.wtfyet. It isn't listed under Magazines.The second link does not work on
kbin.social, becauseguildwars2is local tokbin.social(/m/guildwars2), but it might work on a different kbin instance. I personally think that using a fully qualified name should be allowed, too, but the kbin devs seem to disagree. 🙂I'll make a Lemmy account later tonight and see if I can figure it out. Thanks!
I don't think I'll use kbin a lot for now.
But better grab the name just in case.
It's slow going for now. I'm just glad we have a reddit-like place to go in case reddit collapses further.
Slow-going is way more my speed (as I reply 2 days late and it doesn't even seem weird), so here's hoping it sticks. I haven't exactly been a fan of reddit for some years, but the gw2 sub has been one of the few that made it worth putting up with.
Preliminary results can be seen at https://app.rankedvote.co/rv/jjmn5bu0q29oqd0uic/results. Looks like they are going to be NSFW.
Keep it open but limited and use it to reroute everyone to here or lemmy.
As much as I'd like that to happen, this part of the fediverse is definitely not ready for a mass migration of users. For now, it's only longtime users and early adopters. The average user probably wouldn't be okay with downtime, and the average moderator would be woefully underequipped to manage the community.
@[email protected]
Do you think that we can get https://lemmy.wtf/c/guildwars2 mentioned as a lemmy partner site on
r/guildwars, too?I have no control over what the subreddit mods do. If you'd like to speak with them, I'd recommend a modmail.