In my experience they never get it. It is fun to make fun of them. Once they reveal themselves, they become very predictable and even when called out as to how they will respond, they do it anyway like an npc.
"Politically motivated assassinations"? Should we bring up the comparative list of politically-motivated extremist incidents in the US and see which side is enacting most of the violence?
The Minnesota ones are particularly interesting. The Democrats had a one-seat advantage in both chambers of the Minnesota legislature. The assassin specifically targeted one Democratic member of each chamber. The Minnesota House is now tied, and the Senate will be tied until Hoffman is able to work or (or Minnesota allows it, I'm not sure) is about to designate someone to vote for him.
Yeah this happened once during the 2020 July protests in Serbia. As we walked, we passed a WW2 memorial and the guy leading the group took a moment to stop, comment on it and chant "death to fascism" a few times. Then out of the blue two guys started yelling "death to communism".
To be fair, "death to fascism, freedom to the people" is a communist slogan known by everyone from ex-Yugoslavia, but getting triggered by someone disavowing fascism right next to a statue that shows how fascists murdered civilians in raids in your own city is... worrying.
For some reason there seems to be this idea that everything must either be fascist or communist or somewhere between. Like they don't believe in the existence of other political philosophies.
They're obsessed with the political spectrum being one-dimensional, it isn't.
The next chant should be "death to fascism, death to capitalism"
Fascism is a feature of capitalism, not a bug. We need to go back to the correct timeline. Socialism was the improvable system. Capitalism is social darwinism (read: a lie)
Socialism taken to the extreme ends in anarchism. Now if you decide to muddle "giving power to the workers" and "giving power to the workers' party" things reach type 3 fun very fast.
feel free to prove that point. it is insane. capitalism has never worked for the people, in any country. whereas socialism has worked by itself and for the people very well. the red scare propaganda of "big bad communism" is a hoax. but besides that, the western states had to kill many socialist leaders and destablize many socialist countries (please read about it, its disgusting) to make them seem "unable to work".
Matt would be too nice to tear you to shreds in an argument. Many of the others probably just wouldn't engage. Sam enjoys conflict and uncomfortable situations.
The old 3.5e Epic Level Handbook had 10th level spells, and the rules surrounding their use.
So, maybe you could use a 10th level spell slot to stengthen Wish?
I haven't played D&D this century, and the last Pathfinder I ran was lower level and we only did 1 or 2 actual play sessions before scheduling fell apart. (Also, I'm a pretty bad DM, even working from an existing published campaign; people just want me to be GM because I can remember rules.)
"I cast that wish at level 9" is a weird phrasing. So far as I know Wish is already level 9, so there's no other level to cast it at. Older editions had "limited wish" but I don't believe they had upcasting. It feels very "how do you do fellow children"
DnD is also a game that utilizes table rules pretty much all the time. It's possible that his DM gave more flexible rules, I know my DM will if you have a convincing argument.
But also, buddy definitely says "you're one of the good ones" to his black coworkers
I love threads where there's the one person downvoting a benign comment, like "fuck fascists." It must be lonely on Lemmy for those people. I sure hope it is.
Unfortunately there seem to be a not-insignificant number of accelerationist tankies on various instances, so I'm sure fascists habe someone to hold hands with and trash on the rest of the political spectrum.
It's referring to a scene involving Sam Riegel in the first Critical Role campaign. He's basically establishing he's a 'fan', though also being a Nazi is weird af.
these are so cringe lol. It sounds like it is coming from someone who once read something on the internet and pretends like he has been part of this since college
I remember some YouTuber ranting about this. About how none of these people yelling about how their favorite games are going woke are actual players. I don't have any evidence either way, but it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of these folks are just random alt-right wingnuts trying to stir shit up. (Or nowadays AI wingnuts.)
Kinda like ranting about movies and games "go woke, go broke" and yet these media end up being blockbusters. These alt right and AI shit stirrers have huge backing from billionaires who want to world to end up in fascism.
It's wish. There are no level modifiers. At least not back when I played. A wish of a wish. 17th level wizard or 34th level wizard makes no difference.
Agree with antifascist stuff. Just nitpicking the fascist idiot's idiotic words: what the hell is an example of a non-politically-motivated assassination?? isn't every assassination politically motivated?
I suddenly realised I don't actually know the difference of somebody being murdered or assassinated. I searched it, turns out there's various definitions. Most have either sneaky-peaky or prominent (political?) meanings.
I don't want to be fair to fascists but the current social context does align leftism with labeling the fascists/GOP as "fascists".
Similarly to how 15 years ago someone shouting "let's go, Brandon!" would make you check that hadn't been teleported into the middle of a little league baseball game versus now where you just check how close the nearest exit is.
Edit:
We know who the fascists are. They know they're fascists. There's no reason to act like this was some Rube-Goldbergian word trap that caught out a hidden impostor. This just tripped up an idiot who probably hasn't mastered walking and using slurs at the same time yet. Their masks have already been torn off ages ago. If y'all think playing coy with fascists is some great, newsrag "SLAM" then have fun.
I suppose I shouldn't say anything bad about Nazis, either, since the GOP gets compared to Nazis? Give me a break. Maybe instead of listening for dog-whistles, they should look into why those comparisons are being made in the first place.
Do I sound like I care that Nazis are malding? If so, pardon me. I'm just saying it doesn't feel like much of a gotcha to say "they're answering to 'fascists'!" when they're rightfully called "fascist" more than their political party nowadays.
It doesn't matter that we're correct that right-wingers are fascists while they're wrong that we're pedophiles. The rhetoric works exactly the same in either case.
As I responded to the other commenter, right-wingers are obviously well aware that left-wingers will call them fascists, even if they do not consider themselves fascist and hold a negative perspective of fascism. I consider pedophiles bad but I'm aware that right-wing people are going to call me one just because I'm gay.
In a flipped conversation, where the third commenter is a right-winger who says "look, you didn't deny being a pedophile!," I'm sure they would take a screenshot of the conversation and post it to twitter and get lots of upvotes since that looks like such an own. They'd probably even say they can tell by my disappointment that I was implicitly acknowledging I'm a pedophile.
If your clever comeback sounds exactly as smooth coming out of the enemy's mouth, it's not a very good comeback.
Apparently it's not communicating it well, but your response doesn't really clear up why for me. I appreciate your trying though. I am left with the lingering feeling that it's not connecting because it's hard to picture a right-wing zinger landing well, and not because I'm fundamentally wrong about the symmetry of these scenarios. I'll concede I could be missing the point.
Well yeah, obviously. The right wing, regardless of whether they consider themselves fascist or not, are obviously aware that left is going to call them out for being fascists. Just as I'm aware that when right-wing people say "pedophiles" they likely are talking about queer people. It's not going to go over anyone's head.
Probably hot take, but from the point of view of a conservative the "fascist" OOP just mentioned is a strawman and a very unpleasant one to be associated with at that, so no wonder they would attack the very idea of association after everyone starts spreading it.
If you looked inside their mind, that's probably what you'd see. They're conditioned to be in this perpetual state of persecution. It's sad, really, they don't even get that there's fascism happening so they think any mentions of it are insults.
But that doesn't excuse anything, they should know better. They're bad people helping a bad cause and there's nothing wrong with being mean to them.
Even if that was the case, the conservatives' counter argument never addresses why the association with facism, white supremacy, Nazism would supposedly be false. It's always a knee-jerk "actually you guys are bad." Not doing much to counter the association.
Ever say "Fuck Nazis" and some fuck face goes "Of course you would make fun of conservatives you lib!".
Wonderful feeling.
In my experience they never get it. It is fun to make fun of them. Once they reveal themselves, they become very predictable and even when called out as to how they will respond, they do it anyway like an npc.
"Politically motivated assassinations"? Should we bring up the comparative list of politically-motivated extremist incidents in the US and see which side is enacting most of the violence?
Including the ones in Minnesota today?
The Minnesota ones are particularly interesting. The Democrats had a one-seat advantage in both chambers of the Minnesota legislature. The assassin specifically targeted one Democratic member of each chamber. The Minnesota House is now tied, and the Senate will be tied until Hoffman is able to work or (or Minnesota allows it, I'm not sure) is about to designate someone to vote for him.
There should be rules that disincentive assassination so this doesn't happen again.
Like, "murder is illegal"? Cuz, that's one lol
Specifically, any one party shouldn't be able to take advantage of a momentary shift in power due to an assassination of a member in the other party.
And how do you incentivise politicians to follow that rule?
Obviously there is still enough incentive. Maybe the legislature should still get her vote, from like a deputy or assistant of some kind.
well the FBI said there's not enough evidence...
/s
"politically motivated assassinations?" like the two Democratic politicians who were just murdered yesterday in Minnesota?
No no, that's like school shootings in the USA, part of their apolitical culture!
It's mental illness!
I like how it's "politically motivated assassinations" while graffiti on a Tesla is terrorism.
Yeah this happened once during the 2020 July protests in Serbia. As we walked, we passed a WW2 memorial and the guy leading the group took a moment to stop, comment on it and chant "death to fascism" a few times. Then out of the blue two guys started yelling "death to communism".
To be fair, "death to fascism, freedom to the people" is a communist slogan known by everyone from ex-Yugoslavia, but getting triggered by someone disavowing fascism right next to a statue that shows how fascists murdered civilians in raids in your own city is... worrying.
Weird how every anticommunism turns out to be fascism putting on a performance for libs.
Maybe we should stop listening, and start doing.
Not in Eastern Europe. People hate the communists here. They have ruined their countries, basically occupied them.
Which eastern European country, and how many monuments to nazi collaborators have they put up since the fall of communism?
None. But plenty of communist monuments that were forced on us that we tore down the second Russia effed off back to home.
Communism is a disease and the Soviet Union was an imperialist country continuing on with Russia.
Which eastern European country didnt build monuments to nazi collaborators as part of its anticommunist national project?
Mine didn't. Stop whatabouting, I don't remotely care about opinions of a tankie.
What is the name of that country?
For some reason there seems to be this idea that everything must either be fascist or communist or somewhere between. Like they don't believe in the existence of other political philosophies.
They're obsessed with the political spectrum being one-dimensional, it isn't.
Ah yes, the two genders
Binary thinking is inherently limiting for complex issues, we aren't computers we don't need to look at everything like a boolean
Not by accident, Serbia is like the MAGA lovin' south of Europe, complete with the ignorant meat-heads gargling Putin's balls.
The next chant should be "death to fascism, death to capitalism"
Fascism is a feature of capitalism, not a bug. We need to go back to the correct timeline. Socialism was the improvable system. Capitalism is social darwinism (read: a lie)
Either one taken to its extreme ends with some sort of despotism. You really need both working together to keep each other in check.
Socialism taken to the extreme ends in anarchism. Now if you decide to muddle "giving power to the workers" and "giving power to the workers' party" things reach type 3 fun very fast.
feel free to prove that point. it is insane. capitalism has never worked for the people, in any country. whereas socialism has worked by itself and for the people very well. the red scare propaganda of "big bad communism" is a hoax. but besides that, the western states had to kill many socialist leaders and destablize many socialist countries (please read about it, its disgusting) to make them seem "unable to work".
Sam's a real one. The whole group are, but of them all, Sam's the one I'd least want to go toe to toe with in an argument.
Dude's sharp as fuck.
Matt would be too nice to tear you to shreds in an argument. Many of the others probably just wouldn't engage. Sam enjoys conflict and uncomfortable situations.
That's some kind of weird superpower in my eyes.
Thing is, so do I. I would love the spar, but know when I am outmatched.
Um, actually Wish is always cast at level 9.
As of this month I am 31 years clean from D&D. And even I knew that wish is always cast at level 9.
Um acktshually you can cast Limited Wish as a 7th level in Pathfinder 🤓
Um, actually Limited Wish is not Wish.
The old 3.5e Epic Level Handbook had 10th level spells, and the rules surrounding their use.
So, maybe you could use a 10th level spell slot to stengthen Wish?
I haven't played D&D this century, and the last Pathfinder I ran was lower level and we only did 1 or 2 actual play sessions before scheduling fell apart. (Also, I'm a pretty bad DM, even working from an existing published campaign; people just want me to be GM because I can remember rules.)
EDIT: 10th 11th and 12th.
"I cast that wish at level 9" is a weird phrasing. So far as I know Wish is already level 9, so there's no other level to cast it at. Older editions had "limited wish" but I don't believe they had upcasting. It feels very "how do you do fellow children"
It's kinda "fellow kids" but also a lot people don't know the rules of the games they play.
This one's a fascist tho, so fuck them.
DnD is also a game that utilizes table rules pretty much all the time. It's possible that his DM gave more flexible rules, I know my DM will if you have a convincing argument.
But also, buddy definitely says "you're one of the good ones" to his black coworkers
I love threads where there's the one person downvoting a benign comment, like "fuck fascists." It must be lonely on Lemmy for those people. I sure hope it is.
Suffer being ostracized, downvoting fascist.
Unfortunately there seem to be a not-insignificant number of accelerationist tankies on various instances, so I'm sure fascists habe someone to hold hands with and trash on the rest of the political spectrum.
"I cast that wish at level 9" I had to check the context to make sure that was a DnD thing and not some bizarre sovcit trend.
It's also already a ninth level spell, so saying he'll cast it at level nine is meaningless and a failed attempt to establish nerd cred.
It's referring to a scene involving Sam Riegel in the first Critical Role campaign. He's basically establishing he's a 'fan', though also being a Nazi is weird af.
these are so cringe lol. It sounds like it is coming from someone who once read something on the internet and pretends like he has been part of this since college
I remember some YouTuber ranting about this. About how none of these people yelling about how their favorite games are going woke are actual players. I don't have any evidence either way, but it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of these folks are just random alt-right wingnuts trying to stir shit up. (Or nowadays AI wingnuts.)
Kinda like ranting about movies and games "go woke, go broke" and yet these media end up being blockbusters. These alt right and AI shit stirrers have huge backing from billionaires who want to world to end up in fascism.
All they ever do is “No, u…!”
Haven't had an original thought since 1936.
Reactionary politics in a nutshell
it's in the name
Well no duh. It's a level 9 spell. Can't cast it lower than that.
Hell yeah, Scanlan Shorthalt et al!
One hell of a mouth on that one
This has many valid interpretations
Giggety
and he has joked about all of those interpretations on camera!
This is one of my favorite parts of sitting out playing music by my "resist fascism" sign.
Can't cast Wish @ level 9. Gotta be at least level 17. Git good newb
But it's a 9th level spell. Don't make me bust out the chart.
Then you don't need to specify what level it's cast at, it's level 9 by default. Get outnerded 🤓
It's wish. There are no level modifiers. At least not back when I played. A wish of a wish. 17th level wizard or 34th level wizard makes no difference.
Blue checkmark checks out.
Agree with antifascist stuff. Just nitpicking the fascist idiot's idiotic words: what the hell is an example of a non-politically-motivated assassination?? isn't every assassination politically motivated?
Financially-motivated assassinations? Having someone killed before they can disown you?
Mob hits.
Internal politics or killing people that threaten their position?
Assassination of passion.
I suddenly realised I don't actually know the difference of somebody being murdered or assassinated. I searched it, turns out there's various definitions. Most have either sneaky-peaky or prominent (political?) meanings.
Just to be clear: neither do I.
Honestly yeah. My understanding of politics is power dynamics, which is just built into everything
I don't know what level of irony you're on, but seriously, isn't the political motivation what makes it different from a (paid) murder?
Are you doing a Peterson move and just asking me to define my terms? Anyway, I'm off to bed, maybe I'il expand on that tomorrow.
Often, I think being an important person or person in position of power is an important factor that makes it different than just a murder.
If we're moving away from elections and governments, corporations could assassinate each others leaders.
No self awareness lmfao I love it when people accidentally tell on themselves like this, is there a name for it?
sigh
I don't want to be fair to fascists but the current social context does align leftism with labeling the fascists/GOP as "fascists".
Similarly to how 15 years ago someone shouting "let's go, Brandon!" would make you check that hadn't been teleported into the middle of a little league baseball game versus now where you just check how close the nearest exit is.
Edit:
We know who the fascists are. They know they're fascists. There's no reason to act like this was some Rube-Goldbergian word trap that caught out a hidden impostor. This just tripped up an idiot who probably hasn't mastered walking and using slurs at the same time yet. Their masks have already been torn off ages ago. If y'all think playing coy with fascists is some great, newsrag "SLAM" then have fun.
That's cause the modern GOP ARE fascists...
I suppose I shouldn't say anything bad about Nazis, either, since the GOP gets compared to Nazis? Give me a break. Maybe instead of listening for dog-whistles, they should look into why those comparisons are being made in the first place.
Do I sound like I care that Nazis are malding? If so, pardon me. I'm just saying it doesn't feel like much of a gotcha to say "they're answering to 'fascists'!" when they're rightfully called "fascist" more than their political party nowadays.
Riegel could have done better here; his comeback isn't really that smart. See, this same script works exactly the same in reverse:
It doesn't matter that we're correct that right-wingers are fascists while they're wrong that we're pedophiles. The rhetoric works exactly the same in either case.
As I responded to the other commenter, right-wingers are obviously well aware that left-wingers will call them fascists, even if they do not consider themselves fascist and hold a negative perspective of fascism. I consider pedophiles bad but I'm aware that right-wing people are going to call me one just because I'm gay.
In a flipped conversation, where the third commenter is a right-winger who says "look, you didn't deny being a pedophile!," I'm sure they would take a screenshot of the conversation and post it to twitter and get lots of upvotes since that looks like such an own. They'd probably even say they can tell by my disappointment that I was implicitly acknowledging I'm a pedophile.
If your clever comeback sounds exactly as smooth coming out of the enemy's mouth, it's not a very good comeback.
Apparently it's not communicating it well, but your response doesn't really clear up why for me. I appreciate your trying though. I am left with the lingering feeling that it's not connecting because it's hard to picture a right-wing zinger landing well, and not because I'm fundamentally wrong about the symmetry of these scenarios. I'll concede I could be missing the point.
The bit about calling sam out and down with lies makes it pretty clear that he views it as a counter attack
Well yeah, obviously. The right wing, regardless of whether they consider themselves fascist or not, are obviously aware that left is going to call them out for being fascists. Just as I'm aware that when right-wing people say "pedophiles" they likely are talking about queer people. It's not going to go over anyone's head.
EXACTLY the Same! Because saying Down With Pedophiles has NOTHING to do with People who want to Label LGBTQ people PEDOPHILES!
Probably hot take, but from the point of view of a conservative the "fascist" OOP just mentioned is a strawman and a very unpleasant one to be associated with at that, so no wonder they would attack the very idea of association after everyone starts spreading it.
If you don't want to be associated with fascism, MAYBE DON'T ACT LIKE A FUCKING NAZI
Not my choice of words, but the sentiment is spot on.
Nice concern trolling
Strawman arguments are misrepresentations of a position or an insult towards specific people or groups for being devoid of substance.
Saying "down with fascism" is nowhere close to being a strawman. No "man" is even being spoken of, nor is anything being misrepresented.
If you looked inside their mind, that's probably what you'd see. They're conditioned to be in this perpetual state of persecution. It's sad, really, they don't even get that there's fascism happening so they think any mentions of it are insults.
But that doesn't excuse anything, they should know better. They're bad people helping a bad cause and there's nothing wrong with being mean to them.
You probably wouldn't feel so triggered if you weren't aware, deep down on some subliminal level, that you're acting like a fascist.
If you’re offended by the word “fascist” maybe stop being a fascist.
Even if that was the case, the conservatives' counter argument never addresses why the association with facism, white supremacy, Nazism would supposedly be false. It's always a knee-jerk "actually you guys are bad." Not doing much to counter the association.
Is it really a strawman when a number of people within a party can be equated to fascists without that being an exaggeration?
You're right natzi rolls off the tongue better