No, this timeline started with “Shit, our calculations show that we might ruin the world in just a few decades at this rate. Oh, well. Probably best not to mention this to anyone.”
Do you think they're thinking "we'll be dead before things get really bad and fuck our kids" or "if we make our families super wealthy they'll be feudal lords after civilization collapses"?
Philosophically speaking, there's a certain nihilistic philosophy out there where nothing matters after you die, so technically, the only thing that matters is the here and now.
So there's definitely a cohort of people out there who intentionally went "fuck the future, my present is good and then I'll be dead."
It's like the "I've got mine" but on an existentialist level.
Having personally experienced the afterlife, and being one of the few who has the foresight - there is a specific and highly ordered way to make sure they reincarnate in the best possible location to live through the shit they've caused.
No just-world fallacy, only just-desserts, because two can play at being really petty on an existential level.
I remember a few years ago people arguing the temperatures have changed before and that theres billions spent on climate change and it's all propaganda.
They wouldn't listen to the rate of change argument then or acknowledge the trillions spent in industries causing climate change. I'm not sure they've changed their minds still ( I refused to engage them any further) but this is the challenge - so many people believe what they want to believe and don't want the hard truth.
The Inconvenient Truth. That was so aptly named. Humans will do anything for the sake of convenience and climate change is quite inconvenient.
Maybe if we make burning up the planet MORE inconvenient then it will change. Ridiculous taxes for carbon output sounds nice. Those tax dollars then spent on cloud seeding for the short term and carbon capture for the long term.
There's no oops or fuck about it. They are gleefully driving us off the cliff like Thelma and Louise with conservatives cheering the whole way down.
The best we can hope for is to exact some form of harsh justice before nature has its way with them. We are already dead either way. Will they die in luxury or will they die in the streets with the rest of us?
The "oops" and "fuck" are the public who are successfully reached by oil giant marketing and propaganda, the majority of people who think the first two statements are true and won't enjoy the final results.
I notice more and more people trying to push us into stage 4 - "Maybe there was something we could have done but it's too late now" - just so we can put all of the uncomfortable guilt behind us.
Don't disagree with this at all, just noting that the start of that line could be stretched much further back, we have known that human consumption of coal was having/would have a detrimental impact on climate for well over 100 years 1856, 1902, 1912 source
Sadly in that timeline, profit has always mattered more than humanity (or the planet).
The fucking crazy part is that we had climate change models from the 1890s that are still proving to be relatively accurate. Shell had data in the 70s that proved the use of fossil fuels were directly causing climate change. They knew, hid the evidence, and lied to us. They didn't just deny the evidence.
The mastermind behind all this must be building fallout vault-like structures to allow people to survive the planet when all is said and done. They will rule the world in the end, perform experiments, whatever they want.
I actually got a long ad on YouTube recently for luxury bunkers equipped with everything to go on for decades no matter what's going on outside. So yeah, that's a business now.
We're in the "make no plans for the future because the ocean is no longer producing enough oxygen and there's no way to reverse it" phase. People being born right now might see the end of humanity as we know it.
What really sucks is that we are penalizing newer, greener technologies in order to prop up older non-profitable technologies.
There is a huge subsidy in the US for coal power plants. That needs to wind down, preferably in the next 4 years.
A few states charge higher registration fees for hybrid and electric vehicles, while at the same time suppressing or almost eliminating the gas tax during post-pandemic inflation.
Certain groups are dead set on boiling the the frog here, without even realizing that they are a lobster in the same pot of water.
I don't care if it is caused by humans or natural causes ( and it's likely both). The issue is that it's a problem, because we've evolved to live in a cool environment (relative to wherever this is going). Part of responsibly using this planet we find ourselves on is terraforming it to sustainably and efficiently suit our needs. I support decarbonization because it helps. But due to other natural factors effecting our environment for the worse (as far as we as a species are concerned), we will need to take more artificial measures to cool the planet in the future.
But the first step is decarbonization. We have two choices - accept natural inefficiencies and extreme conditions, and slowly lose our intelligence in exchange for resilience (evolutionary "crabification"), or terraform the planet to a constant, efficient environment to continue developing as an intelligence.
We are caught, environmentally, in a neutral zone between extreme fluctuations that will continue until the earth cools entirely from its formation. We did not exist during the last extreme. And if we do not prevent the next, our species will not survive.
I vote everytime for political parties who focus on the climate, and fight against privatization of government, and works for more and cheaper public transport. A good cause to be political for even if I don't have a head for politics. Hows that for a green life hack?
I don't envy those of you with two or less-party political systems. Or corporate-backed politicians. Or no trust in their govt to get anything done. You really need to get that fixed to get anywhere in this fight for survival of earth.
If I may give tips to take your efforts to the next level. Find your local coffee roaster whom hopefully sourced their coffee beans in a sustainable fashion. Use oats milk instead of cow milk for your cappuccinos, bring your own bags instead of taking any bags for doing groceries, exchange all your 4 cars for 1 electric car, and now charge your ev with the solar production you have for a free charge up.
In my defence, I today did NOT buy a sticker saving that we need to save the planet. Because it's stupid spending resources on something only to show of how you care for the planets resources. So I do my part :-/
Things I hear from my father in law, and conservative friends:
"Global warming- bah. Back in the 70's they were telling us we're going into an ice age."
"And they keep telling us it's getting warmer." - anyone, every time we hit a cold snap.
"Well, yeah it's warm, but have you heard about all of the solar flares. Also, the moon's orbit has shifted and that's causing heat too."
No, this timeline started with “Shit, our calculations show that we might ruin the world in just a few decades at this rate. Oh, well. Probably best not to mention this to anyone.”
Do you think they're thinking "we'll be dead before things get really bad and fuck our kids" or "if we make our families super wealthy they'll be feudal lords after civilization collapses"?
Philosophically speaking, there's a certain nihilistic philosophy out there where nothing matters after you die, so technically, the only thing that matters is the here and now.
So there's definitely a cohort of people out there who intentionally went "fuck the future, my present is good and then I'll be dead."
It's like the "I've got mine" but on an existentialist level.
Having personally experienced the afterlife, and being one of the few who has the foresight - there is a specific and highly ordered way to make sure they reincarnate in the best possible location to live through the shit they've caused.
No just-world fallacy, only just-desserts, because two can play at being really petty on an existential level.
:)
How have you personally experienced the afterlife?
Drugs and/or superstition.
Definitely drugs
OP smoked so much bullshit, it spilled out on his keyboard.
This xkcd is what finally resolved the "is it us or natural variation" question for me: https://xkcd.com/1732/
It's always the rate of change.
I remember a few years ago people arguing the temperatures have changed before and that theres billions spent on climate change and it's all propaganda.
They wouldn't listen to the rate of change argument then or acknowledge the trillions spent in industries causing climate change. I'm not sure they've changed their minds still ( I refused to engage them any further) but this is the challenge - so many people believe what they want to believe and don't want the hard truth.
The Inconvenient Truth. That was so aptly named. Humans will do anything for the sake of convenience and climate change is quite inconvenient. Maybe if we make burning up the planet MORE inconvenient then it will change. Ridiculous taxes for carbon output sounds nice. Those tax dollars then spent on cloud seeding for the short term and carbon capture for the long term.
A lot of people love rationalising their own beliefs but hate reasoning out what's right and wrong. It makes me lose faith in humanity.
A lot? We all need to be aware that we are able to hold on to faulty beliefs. We are only human.
Especially now with the amount of fake news
God bless Randall Munroe
There's no oops or fuck about it. They are gleefully driving us off the cliff like Thelma and Louise with conservatives cheering the whole way down.
The best we can hope for is to exact some form of harsh justice before nature has its way with them. We are already dead either way. Will they die in luxury or will they die in the streets with the rest of us?
Oops was in the 90s and fuck hit about 2005. Climate scientists knew it.
Though in the 90's, which is when I got my biology degree, they assumed they'd be dead before it got really bad. Consider that oops 2.0
The "oops" and "fuck" are the public who are successfully reached by oil giant marketing and propaganda, the majority of people who think the first two statements are true and won't enjoy the final results.
We've entered the 'this is the new normal now, get used to it' phase.
"climate change is real, but it's too late so why change anything now?"
Maybe we should do something about it but there's nothing we can do.
I notice more and more people trying to push us into stage 4 - "Maybe there was something we could have done but it's too late now" - just so we can put all of the uncomfortable guilt behind us.
This meme forgot to include when BP started pushing the 'Carbon Footprint' propaganda, to offset blame from corporations onto regular folk.
Don't disagree with this at all, just noting that the start of that line could be stretched much further back, we have known that human consumption of coal was having/would have a detrimental impact on climate for well over 100 years 1856, 1902, 1912
source
Sadly in that timeline, profit has always mattered more than humanity (or the planet).
Still does.
The fucking crazy part is that we had climate change models from the 1890s that are still proving to be relatively accurate. Shell had data in the 70s that proved the use of fossil fuels were directly causing climate change. They knew, hid the evidence, and lied to us. They didn't just deny the evidence.
You're missing an important step.
There's denial, then acceptance but brushing off blame, and then accepting blame but with apathy.
"OK fine, climate change is real, and it is caused by humans, but there's nothing we can do about it, so by bother?"
Stage 1: "Climate change is my responsibility to fix as an average citizen!"
Stage 2: "Actually, fixing climate change is the responsibility of the megacorporations causing it."
Stage 3: "Climate change is my responsibility to fix as an average citizen!" (said while researching sabotage and mutual aid)
Except instead of oops it's 'the world is going to end anyway, so why not burn more oil?'
The mastermind behind all this must be building fallout vault-like structures to allow people to survive the planet when all is said and done. They will rule the world in the end, perform experiments, whatever they want.
The timeline for the earth to cool back off is a hundred thousand years. A bit too long to wait out in a bunker.
Not with that attitude
I actually got a long ad on YouTube recently for luxury bunkers equipped with everything to go on for decades no matter what's going on outside. So yeah, that's a business now.
What the hell is a luxury bunker?
Gold plated vault doors? Red carpet? Fancy mini bar soaps?
There should definitely be a BP stage in there too
"Oops" is already there.
Lol.. As if Exxon didn't have their own GIANT "oops"
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
And people are hyping for EVs that might have possible long-term problems. Remember the expired batteries exploding.
Deepwater horizon side plot
Now we're in the "take your Xanax while daddy Bill Gates fixes everything for you" phase.
We're in the "make no plans for the future because the ocean is no longer producing enough oxygen and there's no way to reverse it" phase. People being born right now might see the end of humanity as we know it.
Ok, doomer.
::: spoiler . Please remember this is a solarpunk instance, doomerism should be kept to a minimum. Turn that into righteous anger. :::
I literally never heard that at all. Maybe it's American thing?
What really sucks is that we are penalizing newer, greener technologies in order to prop up older non-profitable technologies.
There is a huge subsidy in the US for coal power plants. That needs to wind down, preferably in the next 4 years.
A few states charge higher registration fees for hybrid and electric vehicles, while at the same time suppressing or almost eliminating the gas tax during post-pandemic inflation.
Certain groups are dead set on boiling the the frog here, without even realizing that they are a lobster in the same pot of water.
The worst part is that renewables and EVs are generally just better in every way.
Just because they don't go vroom vroom, a majority of the population don't like them.
Inb4 some idiot goes "but it takes metal mined from places and shipped across the ocean to make Teslas!!!"
Like your Ford Raptor is sustainably grown and harvested in small-plot ecologically friendly mom and pop truck farms....
I think we're currently in the "oops" phase heading towards "fuck"
First thought, best thought. Hang oil billionaires at the Hague for crimes against humanity?
Where are we now?
Right at the beginning of Oops...
Missing section: "OK its real and man made, but the fix is too inconvenient"
“This is because you didn’t recycle enough!”
I'll admit it, it was me. I mixed my paper with plastic. Sorry everyone.
You doomed us! DOOMED!
FFFFFFF
Won't someone please just once consider the profits
Stuck in traffic huffing Exxon's fumes.
psfu
It took me a while to get this
I still don't get it. Can you explain?
ooPSFUck
Alright, evidently sometimes a joke is still really funny when you have to explain it!
I don't care if it is caused by humans or natural causes ( and it's likely both). The issue is that it's a problem, because we've evolved to live in a cool environment (relative to wherever this is going). Part of responsibly using this planet we find ourselves on is terraforming it to sustainably and efficiently suit our needs. I support decarbonization because it helps. But due to other natural factors effecting our environment for the worse (as far as we as a species are concerned), we will need to take more artificial measures to cool the planet in the future.
But the first step is decarbonization. We have two choices - accept natural inefficiencies and extreme conditions, and slowly lose our intelligence in exchange for resilience (evolutionary "crabification"), or terraform the planet to a constant, efficient environment to continue developing as an intelligence.
We are caught, environmentally, in a neutral zone between extreme fluctuations that will continue until the earth cools entirely from its formation. We did not exist during the last extreme. And if we do not prevent the next, our species will not survive.
My personal human timeline:
End of dark ages up to industrial revolution: Wow, people are getting pretty dang smart, things are looking good for humanity.
Industrial revolution up to present: Well, on second thought...
I vote everytime for political parties who focus on the climate, and fight against privatization of government, and works for more and cheaper public transport. A good cause to be political for even if I don't have a head for politics. Hows that for a green life hack?
I don't envy those of you with two or less-party political systems. Or corporate-backed politicians. Or no trust in their govt to get anything done. You really need to get that fixed to get anywhere in this fight for survival of earth.
If I may give tips to take your efforts to the next level. Find your local coffee roaster whom hopefully sourced their coffee beans in a sustainable fashion. Use oats milk instead of cow milk for your cappuccinos, bring your own bags instead of taking any bags for doing groceries, exchange all your 4 cars for 1 electric car, and now charge your ev with the solar production you have for a free charge up.
In my defence, I today did NOT buy a sticker saving that we need to save the planet. Because it's stupid spending resources on something only to show of how you care for the planets resources. So I do my part :-/
Things I hear from my father in law, and conservative friends:
I don’t doubt climate change exists I just hate stupid talking points and dumb cultists agreeing with one another blindly