Yosemite climbers unfurl transgender pride flag on iconic El Capitan
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I don't think you'd find any bigots that could make the mental or physical effort to take it down.
They'd probably shoot at it though.
Unfortunately I've met a few.
I was a search and rescue mountaineer/EMT for a decade. There are bigots in the field. You get a lot of "conservatives" with military or law endorsement backgrounds.
Also, to take something like this down, you'd start from the top and rappel down to it. It's how they do most rescues on El Cap (or any cliff for that matter)
I don't think you could make the physical effort to tear it down either
Right, because i have stage IV cancer. Funny that you knew that.
Thanks for trauma unloading on me but I genuinely wish you the best and I am sorry that cancer exists. Stay strong brother. Send me a message if for some reason you need anything and I am not sarcastic about that at all.
Neither could I but I still don't want to anyway.
Good!
The same crowd that's fine with trash and dead bodies on Mt. Everest?
Bad faith argument. You don't actually care about Everest. You are looking for a double standard without understanding what you are actually comparing.
What?
Right wingers don't have arguments, all they can do is vaguely gesture at imagined hypocrisy.
While ignoring mountains of hypocrisy from their own side.
They point at imagined or minor hypocrisies on the left to make themselves feel like their own is ok or that everyone is a hypocrite
He thinks rich stupid westerners who freeze to death in while waiting in line on a mountain face oppression, but not trans people.
these 2 things are completely different issues. the mt everest is rich westerners, from europe and all over going there.
Pretty rich from someone from the crowd who's fine with trash and dead bodies everywhere else.
They made the damn cliff gay. Because of woke
It's like that happy days episode where they ended world hunger by playing a song at pop's.
Rocky single handedly ended the Cold War in Rocky 4!
I can see why people who spend their lives, through no choice of their own, between a rock and a hard place, would find lifting themselves like magic up a massive rock face with only the sun and glorious air at their backs elating in comparison.
It takes only a cursory look at the strange, outcast filled history of rock climbing to see why the community might understand the importance of solidarity with people that just can't fit into the box.
Obviously we can never know if the first rock climbers were queer, but to wonder if maybe your heart desires to climb straight up a cliff into the sky and then develop the skill, knowledge and support to do so is certainly a queer thing to do.
There is zero sexual orientation associated with climbing a rock
You'd think, and yet my local climbing gym is one of the most queer places in the city. This is also the case for a lot of other climbing gyms.
Oh weird maybe if I climb more rocks I'll turn gay too, first I've heard of this
Love & Respect 🏳️⚧️
Anyone complaining about this because flag on cliff knows nothing of climbing history in Yosemite. Flags have been flown by people climbing el cap for a long time.
Ammon McNeely was a genuine legend of Yosemite and big wall climbing in general. He was known as the el cap pirate for flying a skull and cross bones as he climbed. One example.
So if this uniquely upsets you then ask yourself why. Admit it's probably a bigoted response. If this does not uniquely upset you... Then you better be making arguments against climbing el cap at all as it has been climbed for decades. And I better see you getting just as pissed in the comment section of any climbing blog.
Leave no trace you motherfuckers.
Yes I am that guy who kicks over human made piles of rocks on the beach.
Read the fucking article motherfucker. It was up for 2-4 hours, they took it down themselves.
I like to imagine a giant eagle picked it up and flew around Yosemite with it.
It's still disrespectful lol. People are there to enjoy nature and might not appreciate a flag on the side of the mountain
I leave the city to get away from people, not be reminded of them
What if it was an American flag? All you guys would suddenly be agreeing with me
You're right. Protest should be as inconspicuous and unobtrusive as possible.
What do you think indigenous folks opinion is of this?
Headline calls El capitan "iconic" but a better word is "sacred" and this is just white people behaviour
Indigenous folks understand protesting for marginalized people, I'd wager.
I'd wager in this case you are wrong but unfortunately nobody asked them as per usual
I don't understand what has you so upset about this. El Capitan was not defaced. The flag is no longer there and left no lasting traces.
You don't have a clue what you're talking about
I think permanently carving the faces of a bunch of genocidal slave owners into an indigenous people's sacred mountain, is infinitely more offensive than a marginalized group temporarily putting up a flag.
Indigenous folks opinions about the pride flag protest are most certainly varied. Collapsing all indigenous Peoples has having a single opinion is the real white people behavior.
Oh yeah Mount Rushmore is a disgrace, obviously not even close to the same level
Climbing it for fun is also "white people behavior." You can't really use an argument like that without considering what the base level of climbing it at all also means. This is an argument in made in bad faith. Either climbing it for fun is already a violation of it being sacred, in which case how is this any worse, or it isn't, in which case how is this any worse?
Lol climbing mountains is literally not white people behaviour
Flying flags is
I this way, yes, it is. Yes, native people also probably climbed it, but it was spiritually significant, not for Instagram pictures or whatever.
They have their own transgender called two-spirit so they'd be fine with it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's actually disputed among historians
The term “two spirit” is iffy, but there 100% were third/multiple genders in many indigenous societies.
We have pictures of We’Wha for example.
I’m Choctaw ish, wasn’t raised in it but there’s conceptions of third genders in Choctaw and Chickasaw cultures.
Bro, if you want to get away from people, Yosemite ain't it. It's about as glamping as it gets you can get 5G signal basically across the whole valley. There's cars and people everywhere, including whole ass traffic jams so that people can drive right up to bridal veil falls.
Oh I know. You guys might as well open up a starbucks on el capitan.
Thankfully I don't live in the states and I'm not subjected to this bs in real life
So you have no respect for nature, cool
I'm pretty sure "cry about it" is what the whites said when they stole this land
'Leave no trace' is about litter, damage and vandalism.
Might blow your mind but people have been making piles of rocks of all sizes since prehistoric times - they are natural.
On the beach I don't know but depending on the area those can be trail markers and you should probably not knock them down especially in deep back country and instead pick up trash you find, otherwise people are gonna tie plastic or carve into trees to mark way points. Also at least in the united states some native Americans rock pile as part of their culture, I'm sure other places do too, as a jew I know I stack rocks on Graves so the rocks you knock over might be something important but I guess you are the main character so you do you
Not OP. Former NPS employee. Cairns are NOT used to mark trails in national parks. Stacking cairns in a national park is considered vandalism and you should not be doing it the same way you should not be scratching your name into goddamn rocks.
The practice of stacking cairns is so out of control I do not recommend you ever follow one on state or other lands. It is a good way to get lost following some influencer's a.e.s.t.h.e.t.i.c pile.
The only acceptable location for a cairn is a high energy beach environment so that the sea can wipe it away in a couple of hours.
National parks are intended to be enjoyed as close to natural as possible. Leave. No. Trace.
As someone who goes deep into national Forrest they are absolutely used as a trail markers, you may not like it but it's a fact of life and better than putting a wooden sign up. And we are talking deep country not well beaten paths that are day hikes
Obviously I don't kick down actual cairns.
I've done more summits than likely anyone else in this thread and there are hardly ever any functionally useful cairns though. Most are just vandalism. Same with painting rocks, or carving your name into a tree, etc etc.
If you’re SO concerned about nature, shouldn’t you be practicing what you preach by never setting foot in nature?
Go destroy the trails so nature can prosper, right?
avg tech bro post
No, encouraging people to enjoy nature properly results in more protected nature.
There are so many hilariously bad takes in this thread but I guess it makes sense with the demographic here.
I think hanging a huge flag on a mountain you don't own is more main character syndrome
Thank you for your inukshukicidal spree
Preaching the correct way to respect nature? Yeah fuck me I guess
This is the wrong time to do that.
Do you want help finding an oil pipeline near you?
And not reading the article, apparently. Yeah, fuck you, I guess.
Why do you think I didn't read it
I think you come off like you are trying to dodge the crux of the argument to focus on a overly specific detail you know you can "gotcha" with like a troll does.
Looking at your comment history I don't see a super clear indication of that, so assuming the question is in good faith consider the twin realities here that almost everyone IS REALLY tired of rightwing trolls deploying these tactics in conversation and are reacting to that in your words before getting to your opinion which I suspect is still unpopular (and I think largely missing the point/wrong) but not wildly and decisively so like the downvotes and angry comments (mine at first included) suggest.
Lol looking into my comments hoping I'm a nazi but I'm just a guy with a deep love for the outdoors
It is called getting context before you let your kneejerk opinion get the better of you, fool