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lemmy.world

How about they just make it illegal for corporations to own houses?

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kbin.social

Ding ding ding!

But think of the corporations! How will they continue to bleed the people dry with rent and artificially expensive homes??

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lemm.ee

There's no reason corporations should be involved in housing period. Housing is a human right and we should be treating it that way

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Why stop at single family housing?

I live in a house that was sold at below market rates, under the condition that I will also sell to the next homeowner at a below market rate, there is a fixed equity gain each year to cover general home owner costs. I own the house, the city owns the land the house is on, HOA covers outside upkeep like roofing, window cleaning and driveway maintenance. This is known as a Community Land Trust.

There is no reason this method of housing can't also be applied to folks that live in an apartment. Fuck corporations they shouldn't own anything.

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Conservatives would never, ever let that happen. Conservatives help billionaires specifically because it hurts normal people.

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Just tax any home other than your primary residence at 100% of the assessed fair market value per year. Hell, make it 100000%. This includes apartments, condos, townhomes, mobile homes. It would solve a lot of problems real quick. Some “real estate moguls” might have to find a real job for once in their life but it will be good for them. I hear they like to hustle.

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kbin.social

Renting is the right choice for some people. Corporations have to obey stronger laws than mom and pops and are in my experience more likely to keep the houses updated.

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kaitcoreply
lemmy.world

This is completely untrue.

The Mom and Pop owners have less resources to handle if you suddenly break your lease and leave due to crumbing conditions so it’s in their best interest to keep their properties updated.

Corporations often will ignore your complaints, and then just absorb the costs for a couple months until they can move in someone else into the same broken property. Corporations do not care when it comes to their properties, while individual owners do care because there are actual people behind them.

Also, regardless if “renting is the right choice for some people”, the housing shortage is due to corporations buying up single family homes with the express purpose of renting them, which pushes potential owners out of the market entirely.

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Also too, mom and pop landlords often hold property as a means of retirement savings, so that when they go to cash out and finally retire, the house is worth something as opposed to a neglected pile. Obviously this isn't true across all property owners that rent out, but it isn't uncommon.

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Just a single data point but as soon as a corporation bought my apartment complex they "attempted" to illegally increase my rent through hidden fee increases. They also "accidentally" sent me the wrong leases with the rents increased multiple times.

If I need to sue a corporation for something like this, it's going to be a lot of time and effort for me but nothing for them so they can essentially get away with the illegality. Mom and pops it's a lot of time and effort for both of us so it's in both of our best interests to do things by the book.

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lemmy.world

Yes, renting is absolutely the right choice for some people. I completely agree. That is why I never said apartments shouldn't exist or that people couldn't own multiple homes to rent out. However, I think people who own multiple homes should be taxed higher on them.

Housing should not be a retirement vehicle. It should be a basic human right.

Also, I don't think it's true that corporations have to obey stronger laws than mom and pops. I'm pretty sure rental laws are just rental laws, and corporations just have lawyers who make sure they are following all applicable laws. I could be wrong, though.

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Taxes just come out of higher rent and push people who otherwise should rent to buying a house that isn't right foe them

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ttrpg.network

The Treasury Department will soon PROPOSE a rule.....

Bets on whether it goes through?

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lemmy.ml

Sure hope this doesn't end up morphing into a law that fails its core objective and end up fucking over poor people somehow!

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Uh-oh, looks like someone is going to have to buy Clarence Thomas another RV to get out of this one!

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Always amazed how blatant this is and yet the GOP only screams for Hunter Biden dick pics.

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lemmygrad.ml

No more corrupt oligarchs, just straightlaced god fearing American oligarchs like Blackrock Blackstone and State Street 🥰

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Griddle maker?! lol, my comment is for you then.

These two firms are commonly mistaken for one another. Blackrock doesn’t invest in real estate directly. Blackstone’s entire business model revolves around it. In the context of this article, Blackstone is the relevant hedge fund.

more info fyi

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kbin.social

This will have much less of an effect on housing prices than people wish. The core problem there is lack of supply, not a handful of foreign oligarchs.

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lemmy.world

Foreign oligarchs affect supply, and I don't think we have any idea how much. Corporate owners are probably a bigger chokepoint on supply, but domestic wealthholders are probably a big player as well. We need a variety of rules in place; enforcement of any of them will increase supply, but that mostly benefits whoever's left in the list above. If we crack down on the biggest supply problem, the next biggest one will buy up the excess.

If we actually want private homeowners to take precedence, we have to make it extremely difficult for anyone to own multiple homes, corporation or not, wealthy or not, foreign or not.

To your point, this rule, whether it becomes an enforceable regulation or not, isn't even targeted at increasing supply. It's targeted at preventing money laundering.

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To your point, this rule, whether it becomes an enforceable regulation or not, isn’t even targeted at increasing supply. It’s targeted at preventing money laundering.

Oh I know; that was aimed more at the people talking about corporations owning housing, as if that's particularly relevant. I'm quite skeptical that the corporate boogeyman is really a meaningful target when it comes to housing costs though. We've been drastically underbuilding for decades now - with quite a lot of that directly coming from extremely onerous zoning laws. The sheer fact of the matter is that in most American cities (where people actually want to live - empty shacks in rural Nebraska are not particularly helpful here), there are far more people who want to live there than available housing, and the inevitable result of this is that the wealthiest people are those who get to live in them. This will be the case regardless of whether the housing is owned by a corporation or a mom and pop. The fundamental problem is lack of supply; anything that doesn't address that will not meaningful reduce housing prices and is at best a band-aid.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

There are 16 million vacant houses in the US. Even if half of them are unslavagebale, thats still enough to house the entire homeless population of the US ten times over. I don't think its a supply issue.

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kbin.social

And are those vacant houses in places where people want to live?

In NYC, for example, the vacancy rate is a bit above 2%. Vacant houses in Oklahoma have zero relevance to homeless people in NYC. It also has to be considered that a lot of vacant residences are only temporary; either caught up in legal issues or briefly empty while the owners find tenants. But again, geography is critically relevant here. Vacant properties only help if they're in places where people actually want to live and where jobs are available. It doesn't matter how cheap a shack in Nebraska is if there's no job around beyond farming.

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Only a third of those are in the 'other vacant' category that represents housing that's not being used for any purpose. The other two-thirds are currently for rent or sale, have completed that transaction and are awaiting actual occupation, or are seasonally used.

I wouldn't be opposed to a tax on season homeownership, but that's only 10,000 units a city of 800,000.

The real question to ask is why the hell is it literally illegal to build anything other than a single-family home in 38% percent of the city's land, nearly two-thirds of land zoned for residential purpose?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/sf-map-single-family-homes-17699820.php

Sure, snapping your fingers and making those ~30,000 units come on to the market would have a small effect, but it pales in comparison to how much supply could be added if such a huge chunk of the land wasn't legally mandated to be single-family homes.

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