Christian Nationalism doesn't look very Christian to me. As a life-long student of comparative theology I have read and understood the bible to a level that many Christians perhaps have not, and Jesus' message was pretty simple and straightforward: Love one another.Care for one another.Support one another. Or, as most clearly and concisely elucidated by Bill & Ted: Be excellent to each other.
It's a combination of persecution complex ('they hate us for, uh, reasons, so we should hate them too!') and superiority complex ('they're not Christian so they don't understand why they're wrong') as a justification for hatred, the denial of rights (an attempt to force people who are different than them to go back into hiding to keep from making Christians uncomfortable), and violence. The fact that these people advocate for all of these things tells me that they are not very Christ-like, so I can only imagine the level of delusion and cognitive dissonance they must endure to continue calling themselves Christians. All this is is a backlash against their loss of status as the number of religious people steadily declines in the world, and a cynical attempt grab onto the reigns of power and 'make things right' (heavy emphasis on those quotes) before the opportunity slips forever from their grasp. It's hatred being justified by religion in pursuit of political goals.
While I see what you're saying, the central doctrine of Christianity is belief in Christ's divinity and that belief being the sole source of salvation / pathway to heaven.
So while there are inclusionary elements to Christ's teachings, there is an overall exclusionary message of if you don't believe in Christ your soul is destined for damnation. Is a hellbound soul worth as much as one that's not?
Christ's mission was initially very clearly for the salvation of Jews only. He initially rejects the Canaanite woman, likening her to a dog (though some translations say unclean or unspiritual) but eventually grants healing when impressed by her faith. He repeatedly refers to pagans (polytheists) as examples of less than ideal behavior in the sermon on the mount. The context here is subjugation by the Romans no doubt but its hard to read this as universally inclusive messaging.
Its only after resurrection that the apostles are told Go and make disciples of all nations, the foundation for Christianity as a universal church.
Theres enough ambiguity and exclusionary language / thought here to latch onto and Christians (particularly nationalists) have been rolling with that for millennia.
man, it very much kinda sounds like Islamist ideology that ISIS promoted. May America be safe. I am having fears since the new government came and all these things are happening. I heard that they did something regarding abortion, is it true??
Hatred is not unique to any one religion, people all over the world have been using every kind of religion you can imagine to justify hatred and violence. There is sectarian violence even within Buddhism.
I am having fears since the new government came and all these things are happening. I heard that they did something regarding abortion, is it true??
Sorry, this doesn't make much sense to me.. are you saying ISIS did something regarding abortion in the US? I'm very confused.
Oh, there was a supreme court decision a couple of years ago that the statute that nominally protected abortion rights in the US (though it didn't do a very good job of it) that has resulted in a bunch of states, including my own Texas, passing some extremely restrictive laws to limit access to abortion.
Texas passed an extremely draconian abortion law after that SCOTUS decision, one that allowed people to effectively become 'bounty hunters' for people who seek abortion or doctors who give them. It's pretty crazy, so it's not surprising that there are a lot of people who are very vocal about it.
As a Christian, I think nationalism in all its forms is contrary to the Gospel. Christian nationalism is thus an oxymoron, which misuse Christianity to attain its goals. It's bad for the society, bad for the people, bad for spirituality.
I don't think being a Christian gives you a unique perspective on nationalism; as a non-Christian who has read the bible I think nationalism in all its forms is contrary to the gospel.
I agree that it doesn't give a unique perspective, at least not on this quite obvious subject. But in the past I have been accused to hide the fact that I'm Christian when I didn't precised it, and thus, to argument in bad faith (pun intended). So now I tend to state it.
Like yeah i get wanting to feel part of something bigger right? But when people start mixing up their spiritual stuff with all that flag-waving and border-drawin shit especially when they act like their version of god is the only right one. it just feels so off. Like they totally missed the memo.
I mean ive been deep in the medicine, felt that love that’s way beyond all the labels and rules, and then you see people using the name of some guy who was all about love to push hate and division? Jesus was a rebel, he was about breaking down walls not building them. He was cool with the outcasts, the weirdos, the people everyone else rejected. He WELCOMED, he wasn't forcing.
The ego loves to draw lines and say "this is ours, this is right, your wrong." But it's all just this one big beautiful mess of existence. When you start mixing spirituality with nationalism, your just feeding the illusion that were all separate. Its like bottling the wind and say "this is MY wind."
I ain't for any of the abrahamic religions. Way too much tyranny for me.
Anyone who’s read a book, seen a movie or two, visited some parts of the world KNOWS that theocracy is a bad idea.
I used to be a Christian for a while so I understand where some of their weird reasoning comes from but this one has always baffled me how anyone could support that and not see the obvious exploits from miles ahead.
Christian Nationalism doesn't look very Christian to me. As a life-long student of comparative theology I have read and understood the bible to a level that many Christians perhaps have not, and Jesus' message was pretty simple and straightforward: Love one another. Care for one another. Support one another. Or, as most clearly and concisely elucidated by Bill & Ted: Be excellent to each other.
It's a combination of persecution complex ('they hate us for, uh, reasons, so we should hate them too!') and superiority complex ('they're not Christian so they don't understand why they're wrong') as a justification for hatred, the denial of rights (an attempt to force people who are different than them to go back into hiding to keep from making Christians uncomfortable), and violence. The fact that these people advocate for all of these things tells me that they are not very Christ-like, so I can only imagine the level of delusion and cognitive dissonance they must endure to continue calling themselves Christians. All this is is a backlash against their loss of status as the number of religious people steadily declines in the world, and a cynical attempt grab onto the reigns of power and 'make things right' (heavy emphasis on those quotes) before the opportunity slips forever from their grasp. It's hatred being justified by religion in pursuit of political goals.
While I see what you're saying, the central doctrine of Christianity is belief in Christ's divinity and that belief being the sole source of salvation / pathway to heaven.
So while there are inclusionary elements to Christ's teachings, there is an overall exclusionary message of if you don't believe in Christ your soul is destined for damnation. Is a hellbound soul worth as much as one that's not?
Christ's mission was initially very clearly for the salvation of Jews only. He initially rejects the Canaanite woman, likening her to a dog (though some translations say unclean or unspiritual) but eventually grants healing when impressed by her faith. He repeatedly refers to pagans (polytheists) as examples of less than ideal behavior in the sermon on the mount. The context here is subjugation by the Romans no doubt but its hard to read this as universally inclusive messaging.
Its only after resurrection that the apostles are told Go and make disciples of all nations, the foundation for Christianity as a universal church.
Theres enough ambiguity and exclusionary language / thought here to latch onto and Christians (particularly nationalists) have been rolling with that for millennia.
man, it very much kinda sounds like Islamist ideology that ISIS promoted. May America be safe. I am having fears since the new government came and all these things are happening. I heard that they did something regarding abortion, is it true??
Hatred is not unique to any one religion, people all over the world have been using every kind of religion you can imagine to justify hatred and violence. There is sectarian violence even within Buddhism.
Sorry, this doesn't make much sense to me.. are you saying ISIS did something regarding abortion in the US? I'm very confused.
no the government in US
Oh, there was a supreme court decision a couple of years ago that the statute that nominally protected abortion rights in the US (though it didn't do a very good job of it) that has resulted in a bunch of states, including my own Texas, passing some extremely restrictive laws to limit access to abortion.
i came to know about it frankly from people in Texas. It seems that Texas is very active.
Texas passed an extremely draconian abortion law after that SCOTUS decision, one that allowed people to effectively become 'bounty hunters' for people who seek abortion or doctors who give them. It's pretty crazy, so it's not surprising that there are a lot of people who are very vocal about it.
Christian nationalism is a branch of white nationalism.
didn't Black Christians support Christian nationalism??
Not in any meaningful sense.
When an American says "Evangelical" in the political sense, they're talking about white people.
Christian nationalism is related to fascism and white nationalism. The "Black Church" writ large is a major supporter of the Democrats.
is it true that Black Church is not much in politics??
What part of "major supporter of the Democratic party" made you think "not much in politics"?
my parents i guess. They supported Trump during elections
As a Christian, I think nationalism in all its forms is contrary to the Gospel. Christian nationalism is thus an oxymoron, which misuse Christianity to attain its goals. It's bad for the society, bad for the people, bad for spirituality.
I don't think being a Christian gives you a unique perspective on nationalism; as a non-Christian who has read the bible I think nationalism in all its forms is contrary to the gospel.
I agree that it doesn't give a unique perspective, at least not on this quite obvious subject. But in the past I have been accused to hide the fact that I'm Christian when I didn't precised it, and thus, to argument in bad faith (pun intended). So now I tend to state it.
I mean there are assholes everywhere. Why let assholes dictate your behavior? ;)
Can you give me some examples how?? Cuz I am not a Christian
I already have a negative opinion about regular Christians 😂
man i didn't have that but now since the things are happening in US plus new pope after Late Pope Francis, I feel that I should be reserved now.
Religious people tend to only live by the rules they like, not the rules their scriptures tell them to.
Besides that, people that believe stuff without evidence should never be in a decision making position.
So, all in all a bad idea overall.
yeah indeed I live in a Muslim country and the harm that we saw after radical Islamization is a proof that it is a bad idea
Like yeah i get wanting to feel part of something bigger right? But when people start mixing up their spiritual stuff with all that flag-waving and border-drawin shit especially when they act like their version of god is the only right one. it just feels so off. Like they totally missed the memo. I mean ive been deep in the medicine, felt that love that’s way beyond all the labels and rules, and then you see people using the name of some guy who was all about love to push hate and division? Jesus was a rebel, he was about breaking down walls not building them. He was cool with the outcasts, the weirdos, the people everyone else rejected. He WELCOMED, he wasn't forcing. The ego loves to draw lines and say "this is ours, this is right, your wrong." But it's all just this one big beautiful mess of existence. When you start mixing spirituality with nationalism, your just feeding the illusion that were all separate. Its like bottling the wind and say "this is MY wind."
I ain't for any of the abrahamic religions. Way too much tyranny for me.
Anyone who’s read a book, seen a movie or two, visited some parts of the world KNOWS that theocracy is a bad idea.
I used to be a Christian for a while so I understand where some of their weird reasoning comes from but this one has always baffled me how anyone could support that and not see the obvious exploits from miles ahead.
yeah even I didn't understand from where did they derive this?