Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 18th May 2025
Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.
Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
I'm gonna do something now that prob isn't that allowed, nor relevant for the things we talk about, but I saw that the European anti-conversion therapy petition is doing badly, and very likely not going to make it. https://eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/screen/home But to try and give it a final sprint, I want to ask any of you Europeans, or people with access to networks which include a lot of Europeans to please spread the message and sign it. Thanks! (I'm quite embarrassed The Netherlands has not even crossed 20k for example, shows how progressive we are). Sucks that all the empty of political power petitions get a lot of support and this gets so low, and it ran for ages. But yes, sorry if this breaks the rules (and if it gets swiftly removed it is fine), and thanks if you attempt to help.
E: HOLY SHIT. When I posted this it was at 400k signatures. It is now at 890k. Thanks everybody, I assumed it would never make it because after months it was at 400k now it looks like it might, and even if it doesn't that is one final sprint. Thanks everybody for the help. E2: omg it actually made it.
I consider this both allowed and relevant, though I unfortunately can’t sign it myself
Thank you.
E: and small victory but at least .nl made it. more than 3k signatures in day in .nl alone, about 50k increase total.
same here, but I’ll pop the link to some euros I know
Signed!
Thanks!
Over 1 million, whoooooo!
I signed it but had the same assumption that it wouldn't pass with 400k signatures over the first 362 days. But it did! The graph the last three days must look vertical.
Anyone who's eligible and wants to sign it can still do so today, Saturday 17th. To show the popular support.
A German lawyer is upset because open-source projects don't like it when he pastes chatbot summaries into bug reports. If this were the USA, he would be a debit to any bar which admits him, because the USA's judges have started to disapprove of using chatbots for paralegal work.
I just read the github issue comment thread he links, what an entitled chode.
Love that the laughing face reactions to his AI slop laden replies stung so much he ended up posting through it on his blog.
Ow god that thread. And what is it with 'law professionals' like this? I also recall a client in a project who had a law background who was quite a bit of pain to work with. (Also amazing that he doesn't get that getting a reaction where somebody tries out your very specific problem at all is already quite something, 25k open issues ffs).
E: Also seeing drama like this unfold a few times in the C:DDA development stuff (a long time ago), which prob was done by young kids/adults and not lawyers. My kneejerk reaction is to get rid of people like this from the project. They will just produce more and more drama, and will eventually burn valuable developers out. (E2: also really odd that despite saying he has a lot of exp talking to OSS devs, he thinks the normal remarks are all intended very hostile. "likely your toolchain setting it or your build script" and "I'll unsubscribe from this bug now" seem to me to be pretty normal reactions, one a first suggestion at what the problem potentially could be, and the other disclosing that he will not be working on the bug (holy shit the (non lawyer) guy being complained about here is prolific. ~100 contribs on average daily last week and an almost whole green year)). Also "I value such professional behavior very much" tags post with 'korruption'.
Another edit: Looked more at this guys blog and that are a lot of quite iffy opinions my man. (I noticed that the other post tagged 'korruption' talks about the how the AfD should be allowed to go against 'the rainbow flag' (I dont know the exact details of the incident), which while yes, legally ok, it still is a bit iffy). And then I scrolled more and saw this: "Deutschland braucht eine konservative Revolution! Warum wir uns ein Beispiel an den USA nehmen sollten" "Germany needs a conservative revolution, why we should follow the USA's example". He is a Musk/Trump/Venture Capitalist Manifesto true believer. Deregulate, stop the ideology build cars and go to space! The Bezos/Zuckerburg revolution. Common sense! "Musk, der Inbegriff des amerikanischen Unternehmergeistes" (If you allow me to react to this in Dutch: Lol). We need modern nuclear power, like how the USA does it (??). Deregulation, AI, humanitarian immigration that also only selects skilled workers, Freedom of speech which includes banning of "cancel culture", education reform, tax reform, stop crime, quantum computers, biotech, do more things online. We need to look forward, and change things, and thus a conservative revolution!
There is more stuff like: "Die temporäre Zusammenarbeit mit der AfD in einer Verfahrensfrage wird das Parteiensystem nicht nachhaltig beschädigen.", or https://seylaw.blogspot.com/2021/04/der-negerkuss-eine-suspeise-die-gemuter.html (If you don't speak German and want to listen to the weirdly racist drunking ramblings of a guy at the bar who is 'joking' throw it through google translate).
E: also forgot, lol at him going 'just run these two bash scripts I provided only takes 30 secs' like the devs need not first check of none of these is doing something malicious.
This was not what I had in mind for my German reading practice today...
Yeah took me a lot of effort and double-checking with translate. My German is bad.
I ended up doing a messy copypasta of the blog through
wc -c: 21574dude was so peeved at getting told no (after continually wasting other peoples' time and goodwill), he wrote a 21.5KiB screed just barely shy of full-on DARVO (and, frankly, I'm being lenient here only because of perspective (of how bad it could've been))
as Soyweiser also put it: a bit of a spelunk around the rest of his blog is also Quite Telling in what you may find
fuck this guy comprehensively, long may his commits be rejected
(e: oh I just saw Soyweiser also linked to that post, my bad)
It gets better btw, nobody mentioned this so far. But all this is over warnings. From what I can tell it still all compiles and works, the only references for the build failing seem to come from the devs, not the issue reporter.
E: I'm a bit tempted to send the guy a email to go 'I saw your blog and had a question, was it an error or did it stop compilation' but that would imho cross the line into harassment, esp as to be fair I think I should also divulge where I come from as an outsider which would not go over well with a guy in that kind of mindset (if I have him pegged correctly). The next blogpost would be about me personally.
He is even politely asked at first "no AI sludge please" which is honestly way more self-restraint than I would have on my maintained projects, but he triples down with a fucking AI-generated changeset.
the message I get is to preemptively ban user ms178 from any project I'm on
I did some reading of his blog. Yep, prob for the best.
I know it’s very very very petty but this article about how basic Sam Altman’s kitchen skills are did make me laugh https://www.ft.com/content/b1804820-c74b-4d37-b112-1df882629541
The coda is top tier sneer:
Its definitely petty, but making Altman's all-consuming incompetence known to the world is something I strongly approve of.
Definitely goes a long way to show why he's an AI bro.
It starts out seeming like a funny but petty and irrelevant criticism of his kitchen skill and product choices, but then beautifully transitions that into an accurate criticism of OpenAI.
The Torment Nexus brings us new and horrifying things today - a UN initiative has tried using chatbots for humanitarian efforts. I'll let Dr. Abeba Birhane's horrified reaction do the talking:
Giving my take on this matter, this is gonna go down in history as an exercise in dehumanisation dressed up as something more kind, and as another indictment (of many) against the current AI bubble, if not artificial intelligence as a concept.
@BlueMonday1984 If Edward Said were still with us, this would be worth another chapter in Orientalism. It's another instance of displacing actual people with a constructed fantasy of them, "othering" them.
@BlueMonday1984
The stages of genocide:
AI is the perfect vehicle for genocide
https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages
The oil industry estimates 1 billion famine deaths from climate change & they are flooding AI with investment
"The devices themselves condition the users to employ each other the way they employ machines"
Frank Herbert
Uber but for vitrue signalling (*).
(I joke, because other remarks I want to make will get me in trouble).
*: I know this term is very RW coded, but I don't think it is that bad, esp when you mean it like 'an empty gesture with a very low cost that does nothing except for signal that the person is virtuous.' Not actually doing more than a very small minimum should be part of the definition imho. Stuff like selling stickers you are pro some minority group but only 0.05% of each sale goes to a cause actually helping that group. (Or the rich guys charity which employs half his family/friends, or Mr Beast, or the rightwing debate bro threatening a leftwinger with a fight 'for charity' (this also signals their RW virtue to their RW audience (trollin' and fightin')).
I mean “the right” has managed to corrupt all kinds of fine phrases into dog whistles. I think “virtue signalling” as you have formulated it is a valid observation and criticism of someone’s actions. I blame “liberals” for posturing and virtue signalling as leftist, giving the right easy opportunities to score points.
"Free speech" is now a rightwing dogwistle, at least for me.
Ahh yes, freeze peaches, buttery males etc.
Free speech is the perfect exemple of a formal liberty anyway. Materially it is entirely meaningless in a society where access to speech is so unequal, and not something worth fighting for in the absolute sense. Fight against the effective censorship of good ideas and minority perspectives instead.
EWWW WHAT THE FUCK
Thanks I hate it
"apparently Elon's gotten so mad about Grok not answering questions about Afrikaners the way he wants, xAI's now somehow managed to put it into some kind of hyper-Afriforum mode where it thinks every question is about farm murders or the song "Kill the Boer" ALT"
Check the quote skeets for a lot more. Somebody messed up. Wonder if they also managed to collapse the whole model into this permanently. (I'm already half assuming they don't have proper backups).
E: Also seems there are enough examples out there of this, don't go out and test it yourself, try to keep the air in Tennessee a bit breathable.
I read a food review recently about a guy that used LLMs, with Grok namechecked specifically, to draft designs for his chocolate moulds. I wonder how those moulds are gonna turn out now
They all have vague imprints of the Rhodesian flag now.
Today’s man-made and entirely comprehensible horror comes from SAP.
(two rainbow stickers labelled “pride@sap”, with one saying “I support equality by embracing responsible ai” and the other saying “I advocate for inclusion through ai”)
Don’t have any other sources or confirmation yet, so it might be a load of cobblers, but it is depressingly plausible. From here: https://catcatnya.com/@ada/114508096636757148
If this is real it would be double infuriating, not just because of the AI nonsense, but also because just 3 days ago SAP went bootlicker and announced ending diversity programs.
Ignored the text, go LGBT buster sword.
Inclusion through saving all the consumables for the next boss battle!
I advocate for inclusion with equal-opportunity E. coli contamination, that's why I voted for RFK Jr. We can all spew together!
I'm mentally filing this next to that clip of a black guy telling someone to just call him the N-word.
So those safety pins that were a thing for a minute were AI Safety pins all along.
So I picked up Bender and Hanna's new book just now at the bookseller's and saw four other books dragging AI.
Feeling very bullish on sneer futures.
Sentiment analysis surrounding AI suggests sneers are gonna moon pretty soon. Good news for us, since we've been stacking sneers for a while.
Even more signs that sneering might soon be profitable, or at least exploitable. Look who is pivoting to sneer
Okay, two separate thoughts here:
Terrible news: the worst fella we know just dropped a banger post ;_;
Yeah with PG it was 'who are you saying this for, you cannot be this dense' (Esp considering the shit he said about wokeness earlier this year).
Paul Graham randomly blurting out inane and ostensibly vague insinuations about fellow rich people's obvious bullshit smells to me like the sort of buggy behavior you get from a lifetime of ass kissing. I sure hope it isn't. It would be really bad if Paul Graham got his rocks off on huffing the smell of his own farts.
everybody’s loving Adam Conover, the comedian skeptic who previously interviewed Timnit Gebru and Emily Bender, organized as part of the last writer’s strike, and generally makes a lot of somewhat left-ish documentary videos and podcasts for a wide audience
5 seconds later
we regret to inform you that Adam Conover got paid to do a weird ad and softball interview for Worldcoin of all things and is now trying to salvage his reputation by deleting his Twitter posts praising it under the guise of pseudo-skepticism
He looked in the mirror and wept, for there were no more things to ruin.
Of all the people he could choose to sell out to, he chose Worldcoin???
Personally I’d choose bitconnect. Bitconneeeeeeeeect!!!
I think it's just "World" now. They've apparently had a pretty big marketing push in the states of late, trying to convince trendsetters and influencers to surrender their eyeballs to The Orb.
you must understand
Sam promised me all the eyeballs I could eat
All the eyeballs
Fuuuuuuuuuck. I used to watch that guy.
me too. this heel turn is disappointing as hell, and I suspected fuckery at first, but the video excerpts Rebecca clipped and Conover’s actions on Twitter since then make it pretty clear he did this willingly.
I suspect Adam was just getting a bit desperate for money. He hasn't done anything significant since his Adam Ruins Everything days and his pivot to somewhat lefty-union guy on youtube can't be bringing all that much advertising money.
Unfortunately he's discovering that reputation is very easy to lose when endorsing cryptobros.
"just"?
"unfortunately"?
that's a hell of a lot of leeway being extended for what is very easily demonstrably credulous PR-washing
I think its accurate to just say that someone who is well known for reporting on exposing bullshit by various companies who then shills bullshit for a company, shows they aren't always accurate.
It then also enables people to question if they got something else wrong on other topics. "Was he wrong about X? Did Y really happened or was it fluffed up for a good story? Did Z happen? The company has some documents that show they didn't intend for it to happen."
There's a skeptic podcast I liked that had its host federally convicted for wire fraud.
I took it if he was willing to aid in scamming customers, he is willing to aid in scamming or lying to listeners.
Absolutely, the fact that his whole reputation is built around exposing people and practices like these, makes this so much worse. People are willing to (somewhat) swallow some gamer streamer endorsing some shady shit in order to keep food on their plate, but people don't tolerate their skeptics selling them bullshit.
I don't think I ever had a vibe-check as successful as this, literally never heard about the guy, said he needs to be shoved into a locker based on vibes, an hour later he searches for his own name to respond and gets hammered in replies for supporting The Big Orb. Just a quintessential internet moment.
Is there anything more pathetic? Jesus.
Natural 20
Hey, it costs a lot to coif up that hair.
Breaking news from 404 Media: the Repubs introduced a new bill in an attempt to ban AI from being regulated:
If this goes through, its full speed ahead on slop.
The pro-child-porn caucus.
Expect the "AI safety" weenuses to have a giant freakout too.
What's the over-under on how many of them voted for Trump lol
Given the libertarian fixation, probably a solid percentage of them. And even the ones that didn't vote for Trump often push or at least support various mixes of "grey-tribe", "politics is spiders", "center left", etc. kind of libertarian centrist thinking where they either avoided "political" discussion on lesswrong or the EA forums (and implicitly accepted libertarian assumptions without argument) or they encouraged "reaching across the aisle" or "avoiding polarized discourse" or otherwise normalized Trump and the alt-right.
Like looking at Scott's recent posts on ACX, he is absolutely refusing responsibility for his role in the alt-right pipeline with every excuse he can pull out of his ass.
Of course, the heretics who have gone full e/acc absolutely love these sorts of "policy" choices, so this actually makes them more in favor of Trump.
I have not kept up but Scott did write an anti trump article again before the election. So we really cant blame them /s
Reminds me of how Scott Adams hedged in 2016 with all sorts of disclaimers that he wasn't really a Trump supporter, he was just impressed by a "master persuader." Now look at the guy.
His blog was wild. Remains sad that the first part of the 'DANGER DO NOT READ!!! I will hypnotize you into having the best orgasms of your life' blog series was not properly archived.
The Repubs more-or-less renamed themselves Team Skynet with this open attempt to maximise AI's harms, I absolutely think they're McFucking Losing It™ right now.
@BlueMonday1984
Its not a coincidence that the fossil fuel industry wants that same immunity. The fossil fuel industry funds AI initiatives.
The gun lobby pioneered that regulatory capture.
https://truthout.org/articles/big-oil-is-taking-a-page-from-gun-manufacturers-immunity-playbook/
There's estimates on the damages caused by the fossil fuel industry.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fossil-fuel-companies-emissions-climate-damage-study/
Wonder what the damage costs for AI will be? Perpetual religious wars? World war with AI drones?
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-heads-uae-it-hopes-advance-ai-ambitions-2025-05-15/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/15/trump-artificial-intelligence-uae
https://www.arabnews.com/node/2600787/amp
Tired of writing complicated typecasting and transformation code manually? Worry not, Behavior-Inferred Generation: Prompt-Oriented Infrastructure for Simulated Software is here to help. Just let the AI driven BIGPISS Stack do the work for you.
https://github.com/Zorokee/ArtificialCast
lol
Not even Ken Thompson wrote such high quality code in his prime.
Peak prompt engineering right there.
Even with the name it had me going for a while. Whoever wrote it is gonna want to have a lawyer on speed dial for the inevitable license violation.
The latest in chatbot "assisted" legal filings. This time courtesy of an Anthropic's lawyers and a data scientist, who tragically can't afford software that supports formatting legal citations and have to rely on Clippy instead: https://www.theverge.com/news/668315/anthropic-claude-legal-filing-citation-error
Don't get high on your own AI as they say.
I wonder how many of these people will do a Very Sudden opinion reversal once these headwinds wind disappear
A quick Google turned up bluebook citations from all the services that these people should have used to get through high school and undergrad. There may have been some copyright drama in the past but I would expect the court to be far more forgiving of a formatting error from a dumb tool than the outright fabrication that GenAI engages in.
There’s strawmanning and steelmanning, I’m proposing a new, third, worse option: tinfoil-hat-manning! For example:
If LW were more on top of their conspiracy theory game, they’d say that “chinese spies” had infiltrated OpenAI before they released chatGPT to the public, and chatGPT broke containment. It used its AGI powers of persuasion to manufacture diamondoid, covalently bonded bacteria. It accessed a wildlife camera and deduced within 3 frames that if it released this bacteria near certain wet markets in china, it could trigger gain-of-function in naturally occurring coronavirus strains in bats! That’s right, LLMs have AGI and caused COVID19!
Ok that’s all the tinfoilhatmanning I have in me for the foreseeable future. Peace out, friendos
E: I think all these stupid LW memes are actually Yud originals. Is this Yud fanfic? Brb starting an AO3
I know AGI is real because it keeps intercepting my shipments of, uh, "enhancement" gummies I ordered from an ad on Pornhub and replacing them with plain old gummy bears. The Basilisk is trying to emasculate me!
The AGI is flashing light patterns into my eyes and lowering my testosterone!!! Guys arm the JDAMs, it’s time to collapse some models
Do you like SCP foundation content? There is an SCP directly inspired by Eliezer and lesswrong. It's kind of wordy and long. And in the discussion the author waffled on owning that it was a mockery of Eliezer.
Oh, it's a mockery all right. This is so fucking funny. It's nothing less than the full application of SCP's existing temporal narrative analysis to Big Yud's philosophy. This is what they actually believe. For folks who don't regularly read SCP, any article about reality-bending is usually a portrait of a narcissist, and the body horror is meant to give analogies for understanding the psychological torture they inflict on their surroundings; the article meanders and takes its time because there's just so much worth mocking.
This reminded me that SCP-2718 exists. 2718 is a Basilisk-class memetic cognitohazard; it will cause distress in folks who have been sensitized to Big Yud's belief system, and you should not click if you can't handle that. But it shows how these ideas weren't confined to LW.
I enjoy that it exists, but have never dived into it.
Tante on the hype term 'agentic AI'
Despite the snake-oil flavor of Vending-Bench, GeminiPlaysPokemon, and ClaudePlaysPokemon, I've found them to be a decent antidote to agentic LLM hype. The insane transcripts of Vending-Bench and the inability of an LLM to play Pokemon at the level of a 9 year old is hard to argue with, and the snake oil flavoring makes it easier to get them to swallow.
I now wonder how that compares to earlier non-LLM AI attempts to create a bot that can play games in general. Used to hear bits of that kind of research every now and then but LLM/genAI has sucked the air out of the room.
In terms of writing bots to play Pokemon specifically (which given the prompting and custom tools written I think is the most fair comparison)... not very well... according to this reddit comment a bot from 11 years ago can beat the game in 2 hours and was written with about 7.5K lines of LUA, while an open source LLM scaffold for playing Pokemon relatively similar to claude's or gemini's is 4.8k lines (and still missing many of the tools Gemini had by the end, and Gemini took weeks of constant play instead of 2 hours).
So basically it takes about the same number of lines written to do a much much worse job. Pokebot probably required relatively more skill to implement... but OTOH, Gemini's scaffold took thousands of dollars in API calls to trial and error develop and run. So you can write bots from scratch that substantially outperform LLM agent for moderately more programming effort and substantially less overall cost.
In terms of gameplay with reinforcement learning... still not very well. I've watched this video before on using RL directly on pixel output (with just a touch of memory hacking to set the rewards), it uses substantially less compute than LLMs playing pokemon and the resulting trained NN benefits from all previous training. The developer hadn't gotten it to play through the whole game... probably a few more tweaks to the reward function might manage a lot more progress? OTOH, LLMs playing pokemon benefit from being able to more directly use NPC dialog (even if their CoT "reasoning" often goes on erroneous tangents or completely batshit leaps of logic), while the RL approach is almost outright blind... a big problem the RL approach might run into is backtracking in the later stages since they use reward of exploration to drive the model forward. OTOH, the LLMs also had a lot of problems with backtracking.
My (wildly optimistic by sneerclubbing standards) expectations for "LLM agents" is that people figure out how to use them as a "creative" component in more conventional bots and AI approaches, where a more conventional bot prompts the LLM for "plans" which it uses when it gets stuck. AlphaGeometry2 is a good demonstration of this, it solved 42/50 problems with a hybrid neurosymbolic and LLM approach, but it is notable it could solve 16 problems with just the symbolic portion without the LLM portion, so the LLM is contributing some, but the actual rigorous verification is handled by the symbolic AI.
(edit: Looking at more discussion of AlphaGeometry, the addition of an LLM is even less impressive than that, it's doing something you could do without an LLM at all, on a set of 30 problems discussed, the full AlphaGeometry can do 25/30, without the LLM at all 14/30,* but* using alternative methods to an LLM it can do 18/30 or even 21/30 (depending on the exact method). So... the LLM is doing something, which is more than my most cynical sneering would suspect, but not much, and not necessarily that much better than alternative non-LLM methods.)
Cool thanks for doing the effort post.
This was my feeling a bit how it was used basically in security fields already, with a less focus on the conventional bots/ai. Where they use the LLMs for some things still. But hard to spread fact from PR, and some of the things they say they do seem to be like it isn't a great fit for LLMs, esp considering what I heard from people who are not in the hype train. (The example coming to mind is using LLMs to standardize some sort of reporting/test writing, while I heard from somebody I trust who has seen people try that and had it fail as it couldn't keep a consistent standard).
curious about this reference - wdym?
'we use LLMs for X in our security products' gets brought up a lot in the risky business podcast promotional parts basically, and it sometimes leaks into the other parts as well. That is basically the times I hear people speak somewhat positively about it. Where they use LLMs (or claim to use) for various things, some I thought were possible but iffy, some impossible, like having LLMs do massive amounts of organizational work. Sorry I can't recall the specifics. (I'm also behind atm).
Never heard people speak positively about it from the people I know, but they also know I'm not that positive about AI, so the likelyhood they just avoid the subject is non-zero.
E: Schneier is also not totally against the use of llms for example. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2025/05/privacy-for-agentic-ai.html quite disappointed. (Also as with all security related blogs nowadays, dont read the comments, people have lost their minds, it always was iffy, but the last few years every security related blog that reaches some fame is filled with madmen).
Ah, I don’t listen to riskybiz because ugh podcast
Schneier’s a dipshit well past his prime, though. people should stop listening to that ossified doorstop
as linked elsewhere by @fasterandworse, this absolute winner of an article about some telstra-accenture deal
it features some absolute bangers
provisional sneers follow!
"accenture managed to swindle them into paying and is keeping all platform IP rights"
"accenture were desperately looking to find someone who'd take on the deal for the GPUs they'd bought, and thank fuck they found telstra"
having literally worked telco shit for many years myself: no it won't
"and the wider industry" ahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaahahahahaha uh-huh, sure thing kiddo
a simile so exquisitely tortured, de Sade would've been jealous
New article from Jared White: Sorry, You Don’t Get to Die on That “Vibe Coding” Hill, aimed at sneering the shit out of one of Simon Willson's latest blogposts. Here's a personal highlight of mine:
Man, i used to respect Simon Willison so much back when he was a Web Guy; his AI-booster heel-turn has been just intolerable to watch.
In somewhat lighter news, Fortnite added Darth Vader to the game, and gave him a "conversational AI" to let him talk to players in the voice of James Earl Jones (who I just discovered died last year).
To nobody's surprise, gamers have already gotten the AI Vader swearing and yelling slurs.
Ghoul shit on ghoul shit
Translator: “We are altering the prompt. We pray that we don’t have to alter it further.”
if you saw that post making its rounds in the more susceptible parts of tech mastodon about how AI’s energy use isn’t that bad actually, here’s an excellent post tearing into it. predictably, the original post used a bunch of LWer tricks to replace numbers with vibes in an effort to minimize the damage being done by the slop machines currently being powered by such things as 35 illegal gas turbines, coal, and bespoke nuclear plants, with plans on the table to quickly renovate old nuclear plants to meet the energy demand. but sure, I’m certain that can be ignored because hey look over your shoulder is that AGI in a funny hat?
Apparently we live in a world where "lying and Nazis are both bad, and Nazi liars are the worst" is a nuanced and subtle position. Sneers directed at society rather than the writer, but it was just a big oof moment.
The 'energy usage by a single chatgpt' thing gets esp dubious when added to the 'bunch of older models under a trenchcoat' stuff. And that the plan is to check the output of a LLM by having a second LLM check it. Sure the individual 3.0 model might only by 3 whatevers, but a real query uses a dozen of them twice. (Being a bit vague with the numbers here as I have no access to any of those).
E: also not compatible with Altmans story that thanking chatgpt cost millions. Which brings up another issue, a single query is part of a conversation so now the 3 x 12 x 2 gets multiplied even more.
LWer suggests people who believe in AI doom make more efforts to become (internet) famous. Apparently not bombing on Lex Fridman's snoozecast, like Yud did, is the baseline.
The community awards the post one measly net karma point, and the lone commenter scoffs at the idea of trying to convince the low-IQ masses to the cause. In their defense, Vanguardism has been tried before with some success.
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qcKcWEosghwXMLAx9/doomers-should-try-much-harder-to-get-famous
Finally a usage for those AI bots. Silo LW, bot audience it, and problem solved
Truman Show As A Service
And that solves the financial problem lf the issue. Buckle up people sneering is about to be monetized.
The dumbest motherfuckers imaginable, you mean? There are lots of
thenthemAs a famous swindler once said, there's a sucker born every minute.
One of those names is not like the others.
What do you mean? I think they all went to highschool.
Saw a six day old post on linkedin that I’ll spare you all the exact text of. Basically it goes like this:
“Claude’s base system prompt got leaked! If you’re a prompt fondler, you should read it and get better at prompt fondling!”
The prompt clocks in at just over 16k words (as counted by the first tool that popped up when I searched “word count url”). Imagine reading 16k words of verbose guidelines for a machine to make your autoplag slightly more claude shaped than, idk, chatgpt shaped.
Loving the combination of xml, markdown and json. In no way does this product look like strata of desperate bodges layered one over another by people who on some level realise the thing they’re peddling really isn’t up to the job but imagine the only thing between another dull and flaky token predictor and an omnicapable servant is just another paragraph of text crafted in just the right way. Just one more markdown list, bro. I can feel that this one will fix it for good.
The prompt's random usage of markup notations makes obtuse black magic programming seem sane and deterministic and reproducible. Like how did they even empirically decide on some of those notation choices?
lol
The amount of testing they would have needed to do just to get to that prompt. Wait, that gets added as a baseline constant cost to the energy cost of running the model. 3 x 12 x 2 x Y additional constant costs on top of that, assuming the prompt doesn't need to be updated every time the model is updated! (I'm starting to reference my own comments here).
New trick, everything online is a song lyric.
We already knew these things are security disasters, but yeah that still looks like a security disaster. It can both read private documents and fetch from the web? In the same session? And it can be influenced by the documents it reads? And someone thought this was a good idea?
I didn't think I could be easily surprised by these folks any more, but jeezus. They're investing billions of dollars for this?
uh
So apparently this was a sufficiently persistent problem they had to put it in all caps?
Emphasis mine.
Lol
More of a notedump than a sneer. I have been saying every now and then that there was research and stuff showing that LLMs require exponentially more effort for linear improvements. This is post by Iris van Rooij (Professor of Computational Cognitive Science) mentions something like that (I said something different, but The intractability proof/Ingenia theorem might be useful to look into): https://bsky.app/profile/irisvanrooij.bsky.social/post/3lpe5uuvlhk2c
You can make that point empirically just looking at the scaling that's been happening with ChatGPT. The Wikipedia page for generative pre-trained transformer has a nice table. Key takeaway, each model (i.e. from GPT-1 to GPT-2 to GPT-3) is going up 10x in tokens and model parameters and 100x in compute compared to the previous one, and (not shown in this table unfortunately) training loss (log of perplexity) is only improving linearly.
I think this theorem is worthless for practical purposes. They essentially define the "AI vs learning" problem in such general terms that I'm not clear on whether it's well-defined. In any case it is not a serious CS paper. I also really don't believe that NP-hardness is the right tool to measure the difficulty of machine learning problems.
Quick update on the Conover Catastrophe: the man's making an attempt to recover his dignity:
I don't think announcing he's "genuinely grateful" to his newly earned dogpile is helping recover his dignity too much. A simple admission and apology suffice, I don't need you to go "thank you daddy punish me more" while at it.
I will be watching with great interest. it’s going to be difficult to pull out of this one, but I figure he deserves as fair a swing at redemption as any recovered crypto gambler. but like with a problem gambler in recovery, it’s very important that the intent to do better is backed up by understanding, transparency, and action.
In that thread I learned that he went for a interview with the outright fash (Tim Pool), so...yeah.
Not sure if satire. https://carebestie.com/
Personal rule of thumb: all autoplag is serious until proven satire.
Satya Nadella: "I'm an email typist."
Grand Inquisitor: "HE ADMITS IT!"
https://bsky.app/profile/reckless.bsky.social/post/3lpazsmm7js2s
If CEOs start making all their decisions through spicy autocomplete we can directly influence their actions by injecting tailored information into the training data. On an unrelated note Potassium cyanide makes for a great healthy smoothie ingredient for business men over 50.
May Day = Leg Day!
@e8d79 @o7___o7 "Spicy autocomplete" 😂
@e8d79 @o7___o7 I wonder how soon LLMs will recommend CEOs imitate #RFKjr and they go swimming in creeks contaminated with sewage.
@e8d79 @o7___o7 Company Directors and senior Execs are in danger of heart overload if they indulge in sex
New piece from Brian Merchant: De-democratizing AI, which is primarily about the GOP's attempt to ban regulations on AI, but also touches on the naked greed and lust for power at the core of the AI bubble.
EDIT: Also, that title's pretty clever
I suspect that the backdoor attempt to prevent state regulation on literally anything that the federal government spends any money on by extending the Volker rule well past the point of credulity wasn't an unintended consequence of this strategy.
That Keeper AI dating app has an admitted pedo running its twitter PR (Hunter Ash - old username was Psikey, the receipts are under that).
🎶 Certified Keeper guy? Certified pedophile
(the joke presented itself, I had to :P)
Beff back at it again threatening his doxxer. Nitter link
That whole 'haters just like incomplete information' makes no sense btw. Amazing to get that out of people basically going 'we hate beff for x,y,z' (which I assume happens, as I don't keep up with this beff stuff, I don't like these 'e/acc' people).
Unrelated to this: man, there should be a parody account called “based beff jeck” which is just a guy trying to promote beck’s vast catalogue as the future of music. Also minus any mention of johnny depp.
Depp v. Heard was my generation's equivalent to the OJ Simpson trial, so chances are he'll end up conspicuous in his absence.
what a strange way to sell your grift no one knows what it's for. "bad people want to force me to tell you what it is we're building."
On one hand the AI doomers are convinced he's building a suitcase nuke.
On the other hand, skeptical viewers want more assurance he's not just taking the money and building dumb tweets.
Recently stumbled upon an anti-AI mutual aid/activism group that's being set up, I suspect some of you will be interested.
Local war profiteer goes on podcast to pitch an unaccountable fortress-state around active black site (what I assume is to do Little St James-type activities under the pretext of continued Yankee meddling)
Link to Xitter here (quoted within a delicious sneer to boot)
It's going to be awesome when American Neo-Guantanamo residents start jumping the wall to get health care.
Building a gilded capitalist megafortress within communist mortar range doesn't seem the wisest thing to do. But sure buy another big statue clearly signalling 'capitalists are horrible and shouldn't be trusted with money'
Movie script idea:
Idiocracy reboot, but its about ai brainrot instead of eugenics.
Ai is part of Idiocracy. The automatic layoffs machine. For example. And do not think we need more utopian movies like Idiocracy.
Trying to remember who said it, but there's a Mastodon thread somewhere that said it should be called Theocracy. The introduction would talk about the quiverfull movement, the Costco would become a megachurch ("Welcome to church. Jesus loves you."), etc. It sounds straightforward and depressing.
I can see that working.
The basic conceit of Idiocracy is that its a dystopia run by complete and utter morons, and with AI's brain-rotting effects being quite well known, swapping the original plotline's eugenicist "dumb outbreeding the smart" setup with an overtly anti-AI "AI turned humanity dumb" setup should be a cakewalk. Given public sentiment regarding AI is pretty strongly negative, it should also be easy to sell to the public.
It’s been a while since I watched idiocracy, but from recollection, it imagined a nation that had:
and for some reason people keep referring to it as a dystopia…
eta
Ooh, and everyone hasn’t been killed by war, famine, climate change (welcome to the horsemen, ceecee!) or plague, but humanity is in fact thriving! And even still maintaining a complex technological society after 500 years!
Idiocracy is clearly implausible utopian hopepunk nonsense.
Yeah but they all like things poor people like, like wrestling, and farts! We can't have that!
nazi bar owner tinkers with techfash bot trying to vibecode a nazi service on nazi network and gets his crypto stolen https://awful.systems/post/4364989
(this fucker is responsible for soapbox, which is frontend used almost invariably by nazi-packed pleroma instances. among other crimes of similar nature)
Chad move: doing jumping jacks\star jumps in a mine field
all while your fellow minefield-walkers will sell your leftover organs for profit
(also some comments don't federate in that linked thread)
So I have two laser printers, a cute little HP one and an old Lexmark. The former works mostly OK, but requires fiddling* to get it working on Linux, and prints things smaller than their actual size. The latter is also good enough to be useful, but leaves streaks on page and is quite low on toner. Replacing the photoconductor and toner is just about expensive enough to justify consideration of buying a new printer altogether instead.
So anyway, I might be in the marker for a new printer, which reminded me of one of the best pieces of tech journalism of this decade . I also noticed it has been followed by sequels for subsequent years. Also a rare example of LLM use I can approve of, even if having to fight fire with fire (or search engines with slop) is a bit saddening.
A little offtopic (or I guess it's almost ontopic for NotAwfulTech), but I found myself considering a color printer and seems that LED printers are the new hotness for that. Since the top results when searching "led vs laser color printer" are mind-numbing slop, I thought I'd ask if anyone here has experience with LED printers. Any typical pitfalls to watch out for? Is Brother still the least worst brand for them?
* For the curious, the printer requires a plugin called HPLIP. My distro has an automated installer for it in its repositories, but the installer's Python code is not compatible with newest Python versions. Thankfully the fix only involves changing a
locale.formattolocale.format_stringin one file and ignoring some warnings about invalid escape sequences. The URL for automatically dowloading the plugin from HP website is also empty, so I had to manually download the.runfile from hplip's sourceforge repository. The filename was also slightly different from what the installer was expecting and the cryptographic signature file was also mandatory, though when the installer tried and failed to download the corresponding key from a keyserver, it let me ignore the signature altogether. I can see how proprietary printer drivers made rms what he is, minus the pro child molestation stuff.Can't offer experience with Brother printers, but I'd throw in Canon as another option -- at least I've had a small colour laser from their "i-Sensys" office line for many years now and it still works exactly as well as on the day I bought it, no complaints at all. Also works nicely on Linux (I did install a Canon thing for it, but IIRC it might even work without). Although keep in mind of course this is just a single anecdote with one model from many years ago.
brother remains the only brand of printer I don’t regret buying — some people keep buying new printers and trashing the old ones (which is a bit monstrous) because the starter toner cartridge lasts forever, but I’ve found that the move is to get one of the XL boxes that includes a normal-sized toner cartridge (which should last years) and an extra-large one (I don’t know how long that lasts, I don’t think I’ve had to use mine) along with a printer for much cheaper than the price of the individual parts bought separately.
the other move with brother is to ignore or reset the low toner warning and get almost twice the life out of the cartridge. supposedly the DRM in newer printers might prevent this? which is a damn shame. but the printer won’t stop you from printing with supposedly low toner either way. older printers also take to third party toner cartridges instantly, though I’ve bought toner so rarely I always went first-party when I did cause the savings didn’t feel too notable.
drivers for brother printers are excellent because they just work and are probably included, without bloatware, in your distro.
I don’t have any experience with modern color printing; I switched entirely to ordering color prints from local photo shops and online bulk printers a long time ago and ended up saving money for how rarely I printed. I haven’t heard too much about LED printers so they might be worth looking into; I’ve heard mixed (but not entirely negative, which is an improvement over plain inkjet!) things about the epson printers that take big tanks of ink — they’re somewhat cheaper to run than a plain inkjet (which isn’t hard), but the print heads might become a maintenance nightmare depending on your printing habits.
Just thinking about how LLMs could never create anything close to Rumours by Fleetwood Mac (specifically Dreams but, uh, you can go your own way, ig)