"It was the KULAKS and WRECKERS which caused the Holodomor, bro, not Great Leader Stalin, Brilliant Genius of Humanity! He HAD to murder Ukrainians to stop the Nazis ten years later!"
I remember running into this sort of thing back on Reddit once, it was baffling. I mentioned in a thread about something unrelated that my ancestors on my father's side fled to Canada to avoid being killed by Stalin, and one weirdo got quite vigorous about arguing that they must have been Nazi sympathizers then. Yeah, Mennonite farmers from Ukraine were Nazi sympathizers a decade before the Nazis even came to power. Makes sense.
If you want to have fun with a Marxist, ask them to define a kulak. If you have access to a personal computing device, you are by definition a kulak.
The average value of goods confiscated from kulaks during dekulakization was 170–400 rubles per household....
The average value of the goods which were confiscated from the kulaks during the policy of dekulakization (раскулачивание) at the beginning of the 1930s was only 170–400 rubles (US$90–210) per household.
Assuming that's not adjusted for inflation, that would be about ~4000$ today (using the high estimate of 210$). And 4000$ of farm equipment is a paltry amount.
can you edit your initial comment then? It got reported
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"It was the KULAKS and WRECKERS which caused the Holodomor, bro, not Great Leader Stalin, Brilliant Genius of Humanity! He HAD to murder Ukrainians to stop the Nazis ten years later!" | Spyke
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I remember running into this sort of thing back on Reddit once, it was baffling. I mentioned in a thread about something unrelated that my ancestors on my father's side fled to Canada to avoid being killed by Stalin, and one weirdo got quite vigorous about arguing that they must have been Nazi sympathizers then. Yeah, Mennonite farmers from Ukraine were Nazi sympathizers a decade before the Nazis even came to power. Makes sense.
Tankies are world champions at gaslighting and projections.
If you want to have fun with a Marxist, ask them to define a kulak. If you have access to a personal computing device, you are by definition a kulak. The average value of goods confiscated from kulaks during dekulakization was 170–400 rubles per household....
Assuming that's not adjusted for inflation, that would be about ~4000$ today (using the high estimate of 210$). And 4000$ of farm equipment is a paltry amount.
Sounds like kulac apologist propaganda to me /s
In 1986 $200 USD is ~$590 in 2025 USD.
Savings by Household Income Percentile in 2022
Percentile Average Household Income Median Savings Less than 20th $19,126 to $900
20–39.9 $42,870 to $2,550
40–59.9 $71,218 to $7,400
60–79.9 $116,922 to $15,760
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Harvest_of_Sorrow
'yo, don't let stalin have control'
-- lenin
Kills communism. Celebrated by Tankies.
I guess Ukraine was just always full of Nazis
Secret self-hating Nazis, willing to commit suicide just to spite the Glorious Workers' Paradise of the USSR. Insidious!
Yeah, we're devious like that
That would be impressive considering the 10-year gap between the 'liquidation' of the kulaks and the Nazi invasion.
Can you go into detail?
Yeah: You see, I am a dumbass.
You're not saying the holodomor was justified, are you?
Most assuredly not.
can you edit your initial comment then? It got reported