Man killed during FBI raid in connection with threats against Biden, other officials
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Fox News: Brave patriot shot down by Biden's secret police
I can't even find that they are covering it at all, there is nothing on their front page about it.
FBI agents kill man in Utah who allegedly threatened Biden
It's so weird to read a relatively normal sounding news article on Fox. I'm used to everything being full of right wing rhetoric and insults at the Democrats.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/who-was-craig-robertson-utah-man-killed-fbi-agents-allegedly-making-threats-president-biden
“But why did the FBI shoot down this antifa Soros plant?”
They just want to take 'er guns!
You forgot to call them 'jackbooted thugs'
Do you really think the Feds want another Ruby Ridge on their hands? They're not going to make that mistake twice.
Hungry trolls, best ignored ime.
Why does that matter? Do you think that means they want another PR mess like that on their hands?
If someone posted that they are going to get their gun and meet the president, you think cops should NOT investigate whether they’re serious or not? That would be malpractice even for cops.
It worse than that. According to Vice, they found his Facebook.
Creditable treats. Nom!
You've got a good point there, but Trump supporters are among the short list of groups of people I trust less than Police (or they are the same group) so at worst it's a push.
Your friend is a moron I guess.
They were serving an arrest warrant in addition to a search warrant, which means they had probable cause for an arrest and a judge signed off on this. It wasn't just shit posting, he was making plans which for reasons we don't yet know the feds and a judge considered credible and serious. We also don't know why he was shot, but "summary execution" seems unlikely, especially given how the feds always walk on eggshells around right wing extremists so as not to ruby ridge their way to another oaklahoma city (see e.g. basically every standoff with the Bundys). My money is the guy was a nutcase who started shooting when the feds showed up leading to a fairly predictable result for him.
we kill terrorists, son
Irony.
Fake news huh? Is that like alternative facts?
It's ALWAYS been like that. Back in the early 90s a kid emailed the white house a threat as a joke...the FBI showed up at the school the next day.
It's always been a crime to threaten the president. Half of Congress gets away with it because they're rich...but us poor bastards that are still subject to laws should expect repercussions for illegal acts.
Half of Congress just dog whistles to their fanbase to do shit like we see in this exact post. With a couple of notable exceptions, they are generally not dumb enough to make direct threats themselves. (I think Cawthorn directly told a group of pro-Turnip supporters to make threats and such.)
Do you understand that we have to execute arrest warrants to prosecute someone? Like I don't see what disconnect you have in this situation.
Why is it such a a leap that a man who has made threats against someone would act violently towards law enforcement?
Why do you think that the FBI is more likely to have killed him in cold blood executing lawful, legal warrants than the above?
It wasn't just Biden, I take it you haven't seen his Facebook yet?
FAFO
You trust a right wing nut over the FBI?
Sounds like they're a Trump supporter.
The FBI and regular police have very different standards. I definitely think this should be fully investigated like any use is force, but I have more faith that the FBI handled this appropriately than of it had been a local PD department.
Maybe he should've complied with police orders. Or whatever conservatives say when a black man is killed by police for their pinky twitching.
I mean the dude got into a shootout with the FBI
Idk about you but i would have to make a few really bad life decisions before i got into a shootout with the feds. Like several very bad decisions before it even got to that point lol
Yeah you don't get in a gunfight with the downtown gang. Those men and women aren't just serious about investigating, also marksmanship.
Better keep an eye on this one, too.
We often hear reports about right-wing terrorism in the USA. But how many other incidents like this happen, where the person is caught beforehand? This wouldn’t be a top headline if he hadn’t died, it would be just another story relegated to the bottom of a news site.
I would bet given how many crazy MAGA assholes are out there, and with Trump instigating shit, this is probably happening very regularly right now.
The plot to kidnap the governor of Michigan.
That time a Republican mailed bombs to a bunch of Democrats and Jews.
the guy that showed up at obama's place with weapons, too. and there's a lot of right-wing hate causing disturbances not directly at leaders that are written off as just more violent crime rather than hate crimes or politically motivated crimes.
Was mostly FedBois, the 4 goons who got arrested had a supporting cast of 20+ members of Federal Law Enforcement. They paid for travel, put together meetings with other people and groups, and helped them plan it.
You should really join the majority of us in reality.
Their name is "sadreality", so I agree.
From Wikipedia:
An average of 13 years in prison sounds like the prosecutor made a case out of it.
They were just minding their own business when federal agents tricked them into trying to kidnap the governor! Poor babies, could happen to anyone.
News is constantly reporting on people being arrested for threatening officials. I disagree that this is being treated any differently than those reports.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/01/12/illinois-man-arrested-for-allegedly-threatening-to-shoot-up-bidens-inauguration/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/us/david-reeves-biden-white-house-threats.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-threats-arrests/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/man-charged-threatening-biden-said-was-coming-white-house-secret-servi-rcna14066
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/11/1162858371/michigan-man-threatens-biden-whitmer
...etc
Now check the coverage on daytime crazy righty talk radio. Check their outrage influencers.
I don't want to jinx it because it may still happen, but it's an outright miracle a straight up war didn't break out at any of these events like Charlottesville
This is why I don't think anything happens at that organized a level without a huge financial backing behind it. The common person wants a war. The rich don't but they want to utilize the anger the common man has. Everything that happens at a high level of organization is due to a handful of people investing time and lots of money into it. Regular folk can't organize themselves enough to get things to a sustainable level. It takes tons of social media manipulation and rubbing elbows with influencers to do podcast circuits and link up with media outlets and blogs to create the stories that keep the flames hot enough to spread.
The common person wants a war? Lol they absolutely do not. The vast majority of people just want to get on with their lives.
Exactly. No one is going to organize anything because it would end in failure and them losing everything without mass popular support. It is only when the average person gets their back pushed to the wall by economic collapse (Germany post ww1) or famine (revolutionary France) along with political weakness and instability at the top that you see mass revolt.
No one is going to join "a war" just because they are annoyed.
Sorry I would have been more specific. I wasn't really referring to a full on civil war, but a large scale shootout at any one of those events that went violent.
People at the top do not support any kind of social turmoil because stability is what makes them wealthy and keeps them there. The last thing they would want is to lose control. People don't even want to invest in unstable countries.
You don't need modern social media and podcasts to have turmoil. They didn't exist in revolutionary Russia or France.
People at the top are not any more homogeneous than people at the bottom. All people and groups want more power. They're all jockeying for better positions. If you're the political consultant for a party whose values are dying with an ageing population then you need a zeitgeist to reignite the youth to see your party in a new light. To accomplish that you need turmoil. Turmoil is where opinions change. So powerful people leverage the average persons gripes and anger to create just enough turmoil to upend the stays quo so they can be the ones to narrate what new generation will see them as. Things don't change when people are content.
Go back to those events in history and you'll see the same power brokers organizing events.
Arrests do make the news. It is the people who get a visit and a stern talking to that you don't hear about. I'm sure there were more than a few left-wingers who got visits during the trump admin.
✅ Found out
Here's the document from the arrest warrant with what he was writing. Dude was a fucking moron.
Also - Truth.social actually tipped off the FBI. Very interesting. I love that it's a honeypot.
This guy actually posted "Merrick Garland u demented weasel send your FBI swat, you won't because I'm a MAGA trumper and I'll fight back" ??? Phew boy, major case of finding out.
Oh wow, that's amazing that it came from truth.social.
LOL, just finished reading the whole document. Its wild, and there's really nothing we can do about stupid. Guy is a perfect caricature of crazy.
Guess they pried it from his cold dead hands.
he was still fairly warm
Anyone who hasn't learned about Stochastic Terrorism should expect to hear it more and more going forward.
This is republicans and Trump's fault. They lie to people and get them angry about democrats eating babies or letting men rape children in restrooms. They know that there are mentally unstable people out there and that they will believe them. Trump KNOWS this. And now these brainwashed and programmed people are going out and attacking Trump's enemies. Remember when Trump got Ashli Babbitt killed?
OR maybe this guy was a fascist. Guess we'll find out.
75 year old nutjob got gunned down on his doorstep.. went out in a HAIL OF BULLETS YEEEHAAAWWW
this is what our corpse actually posted:
No offense but what is your point? You seem to be going both ways.
okay do your best
What?
it's a real problem.. confusion..
K. I'm out, have fun.✌
fair winds and following seas, matey
And nothing of value was lost.
No. Something of value was lost, because this guy didn't need to die. He was brainwashed and fed fear throughout his life which compounded with a lack of clear thinking or education, into a need to project a mask of what he thought was bravery.
Our anger should be directed at the remorseless pieces of shit that build this machine that injects fear into the gullible, and engineers the deaths of people who didn't need to die.
If you find it difficult to empathise with this man, try to imagine that one of your family members went off the deep end and made the stupid ass decisions this guy did. Will you still feel that his death was justified? Will you feel like this was the preferable end to this guy's life?
FBI:
Womp womp
They overreacted! No one has ever killed a president with a rifle.
/s
I was trying to decide why I thought he was funny looking. I think it's partly the nostrils. What a cretin. I suppose I'd be mad, too.
utah just doesnt spring to mind when I think of extremism, but I guess there's idiots everywhere.
As someone who lives 10 minutes or so from this guy… this place is insane. I’ve gotta get outta here.
Yeah so freedom of speech in America doesn't pay to threating the president. Like they don't fuck around. They will go after musicians who allude to it in music for example. I believe Eminem has had Secret Service turn up at his house multiple times.
I'm pretty sure they'll even track down people who make threats on pseudo anonymous websites like reddit.
It's very common to have limitations to freedom of speech. The most common ones I can think of right now are