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RFK Jr plans placebo-trial testing for 'all new vaccines'

The top US health department plans to require placebo testing for all vaccines in an effort to offer "straightforward" public health information, but experts say such testing could limit availability and raise ethical concerns.

In a statement first given to the Washington Post, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) said this week, "All new vaccines will undergo safety testing in placebo-controlled trials prior to licensure — a radical departure from past practices".

The agency did not provide details on which "new vaccines" would be included.

But officials have suggested that updated Covid-19 shots may be included, which vaccine experts say could slow down vaccine access.

Peter Lurie, a former official with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), said "it's hard to tell exactly what is being proposed."

"But, broadly, if they mean that every modification to an existing vaccine would require a new placebo-controlled trial, they are treading in ethically dubious territory and likely to deny Americans life-saving vaccines at some point."

HHS has not offered details on the timing of the placebo plan or specify the vaccines involved.

An HHS spokesperson told the BBC in a statement that health secretary Robert F Kennedy Jr's goal of "radical transparency" means being "honest and straightforward about what we know — and what we don't know — about medical products, including vaccines".

The statement said none of the childhood vaccines recommended in the US - except the Covid shot - had undergone "inert placebo" testing, meaning "we know very little about the actual risk profiles of these products".

But public health experts say the statement is misleading, as childhood vaccinations, including ones for Hepatitis A and B, rotavirus, polio and the mumps, were all initially tested against a placebo. In fact, all new immunizations already go through the trials - a type of random testing where one test group receives the immunization, and the other gets a placebo, like a saline shot.

But newer versions of the shots may not go through the same process, because it is considered unethical to withhold a shot known to be safe from a particular group, and because the shot is only being tweaked in a minor way, vaccine experts said.

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lemmy.ca

RFK overrules all the actually qualified scientists who know how to do this stuff, to propose that some Americans be given a placebo to see whether the unvaccinated get sicker than those with a vaccine, even though there will be plenty of unvaccinated people to look at anyway.

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I'd say it's incredibly stupid, but with everything we know about RFK, the Occam's razor explanation is that the point has always been to limit vaccine availability.

This just supports that he's not even going to do it above-board, he's going to use bad faith pretexts to do it.

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4amreply

“We can’t release this vaccine for 30 years until we know that the placebos all got the disease and the vaccinated held resistance that whole time without producing any babies with autism”

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fedia.io

Who could possibly know more about health than some person who never went to med school

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A nepo baby, of course. They're famously really good at everything. That's why they're always getting hired to high up positions, right?

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No formal education in medicine, sure, but he's got a ton of experience using needles.

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An increasing number of Americans, even Gen Z, according to studies I've read.

It's terrifying.

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lemmy.world

Reminder that the person in charge of health in the US:

-picked up a roadkilled bear, drove around with it, then dumped it in Central Park to make it look like a biker killed it

-decapitated a beached whale with a chainsaw, strapped it to his roof, then drove home while his children got rained on by whale juice

-forced friends to watch as he liquified mice and chicks in a blender to feed his raptors

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lemm.ee

Already done on clinical trials. Read the reports, laws and guidelines for clinical trials.

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lemmy.ml

Jesus, I hope you can opt out of the trial. I want the real thing. I don't play dice with my life.

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As I learned at the doctor this week, you can ask to be tested for immunity to things, like measles. So you'd conceivably be able to tell afterwards but how long will insurance cover these diagnostics?

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lemm.ee

While I agree, a placebo trial does have validity vs just observing people who didn't take the drug.

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piefed.social

Placebo is something to think about but has no place in a vaccine trial for an active contagion. People are injected and not told if its the vaccine or just saline. The placebo effect is minimal in anything non subjective. So with a painkiller yeah ok, but with a vaccine. Nope.

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lemmy.world

That's absolutely not true. Placebo effect literally cures certain diseases

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piefed.social

Maybe if the disease is completely subjective, but give me an example of a disease that does actual cell damage.

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lemmy.world

Placebo?! 🤣

Apparently infections are all in your head.

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Make no mistake. They are all fully vaxxed. They just pander to low-information votes.

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That’s fine, if he declares before the trials what results he would actually find convincing.

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You reached the end