Sanders Moves to Block Weapons Sales to Israel
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Would somebody in Congress please listen to Bernie Sanders for a change?
Sorry, Congress is allergic to success.
That would require more people outside of Congress to listen to him, first.
Clearly, Bernie Sanders is an antisemite. He's attempting to stop genocide. How dare he?
If only this dude was allowed to be the Democratic front-runner in 2016. Things could be so much better…
This isn't really a big news story, Bernie has been doing this pretty consistently. Yes, he was doing it under Biden too. Yes, this is purely performative, it won't have enough votes. No, this isn't antisemitic.
To do it over and over again may be morality, but it isn't politics.
It is performative. Bernie is an staunch supporter of Israel
You can support Israel's right to exist while still condemning the genocide and other human rights abuses that they commit. These things are not mutually exclusive.
"You can support Nazi Germany's right to exist while still condemning the Holocaust
This statement is fully comparable without any exaggeration.
It is mutually exclusive. Anyone who supports the existence of an Apartheid built on genocide supports genocide. There are no its and buts.
That's just a bad-faith, black-and-white view. Nazi Germany had the right to exist, but they didn't have the right to invade other countries, exterminate Jews, Romani, gay people, etc. It's not the existence of the state, or even the beliefs of the people running the state, but the actions that matter.
You can be the most racist, homophobic, misogynist Christian asshole in the world, and as long as you don't act on your beliefs, it's not a problem.
If Israel ceases it's genocidal actions, and ceases treating Palestinians like sub-humans, then there's no issue.
Israel is a foundational Apartheid state and system. It is rotten from the core. Like the Nazis. It has no right to exist in the first place. Israel is in its essence rape, murder pillaging and theft.
If Palestinians allow it then these "Israelis" can live in Palestine after the dismantling of the Apartheid. If not the right of return has long been granted to all colonists. Even to their Arab countries of origin.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there really aren't many countries in the world that aren't founded on murder and oppression. It is not, IMO, reasonable to hold decendants responsible for the crimes that their grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great-grandparents, etc. committed, but it is reasonable to hold them responsible for what they're doing right now.
Nazi Germany didn't but Germany did and still does.
And Palestine still exists after Israel will be dismantled.
Nazi Germany entailed half of Europe by the way. The Nazis occupying Poland were booted out to their country of origin.
It won't get enough votes, but it will force people to vote and show who they really are.
He did not criticize Biden during his entire genocide. Bernie supports the actions of Israel
He stuck (and is sticking) to the party line way too much for way too long, which is something you can criticize him for, but "Bernie supports the actions of Israel" ain't it.
Perhaps, but he might as well be considering his consistent voting record funding Israel
Isn't this the same guy now pushing to block arms sales to Israel?
He will still vote to give them funding in the general funding bill, so it's meaningless
Bernie is literally the only politician I would trust with this country at this point. What a bunch of fuck ups and morons
Meanwhile in an another universe: "President Sanders and vice President Ocasio-Cortez congratulate Ukraine for becoming the newest member of the EU and NATO just a year on from a shock invasion and repelling the former Putin regime from the region"
Thats the biggest flaw with democracies. Stupid sticks together.
Kick his ass Bernie!
Meanwhile, no one is listening to the real government.
Netanyahu’s “defense” is mass civilian slaughter, funded by U.S. taxpayers. Sanders calls it what it is.
😺😺😺😺😺
Now that Trump is in office. Bernie ignored the children being bombed in Gaza for the past 16 months because he is a Democrat shill.
He tried to stop the weapons last year as well. Because Bernie is not a shill, he's pretty fucking cool.
Which is why the media often goes out of their way to ignore him.
He did not criticize Biden or Kamala at all and you know that. you're also a Dem shill
https://newrepublic.com/post/183963/bernie-sanders-brutal-description-biden-new-yorker-interview
You seem to like to make shit up.
You seem to not read the article you posted: "He is steadfastly defending Biden’s record over his nearly four years as president, with some criticisms."
He also goes on so say Biden is the Democrats best choice and supports him
Criticisms is right there in your quote.
Biden did a fine job as president except for two little things. Gaza and Marrick Garland.
As to supporting Biden, no shit he did. At the time, Biden was the president and had been elected via primary as the Nominee. And as we know from recent history, not supporting the democratic nominee means that the Republican wins.
No, Biden did terrible overall. A highlight would be making it illegal for railroad workers to strike. His foreign policy was awful as well, not just Palestine.
Bernie had the following to start a new party, but is likely being blackmailed or bribed to keep people in the "Democratic" party.
The rail strike was bad, but then Biden turned around and got the rail workers almost everything they had been asking for.
As to Foreign Policy, what specifically was bad? The pull-out from Afghanistan? It's hard to stick the landing when the guy before released 5k enemy fighters while reducing the US military presence to less than a skeleton crew.
But other than that, the US was mostly respected by the world under Biden. We had some bad trade deals from Trump, but were working on fixing things.
As to splitting the Democratic party, that's a great way to never win elections again. Because you cannot have three viable parties under First Past the Post voting. It's literally impossible.
I'm pretty sure Bernie doesn't like you either. I don't like you.
Good, because I'm an actual socialist
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
I wasn't aware being an 'actual socialist' meant being prone to thinking in logical fallacies, I'll keep that in mind.
Hilarious, I'm sure Bernie would love you for supporting a pro capitalist party like he tells you to.
Boooooooooo
Have fun voting for Pete Buttigeg in 2028 while doing literally nothing to improve your country
Not my country pissant.
Stop spreading false info. Maybe he isn’t doing it to your particular liking but he is fucking doing it and you’re all over this thread saying the opposite.
2024 Scoop: Sanders seeks to block $20 billion in arms sales to Israel
2023 Sen. Bernie Sanders says aid to Israel should be conditional, citing the toll on Gaza
I did not lie, in those articles he did not criticize the Biden administration, and did not criticize Kamala for her stance on the genocide.
He has approved many arms sales to Israel, you are a hypocrite
I addressed this :
“Now that Trump is in office. Bernie ignored the children being bombed in Gaza for the past 16 months because he is a Democrat shill. ”
In what you read in the articles is he ignoring the children being bombed? Both instances dating back two years addresses bombing that would affect children.
Stop being obtuse and use some literacy and critical thinking skills.
His votes for funding Israel say otherwise. He has known about the situation in Gaza his entire career, yet given tens of billions to them regardless.
Have fun supporting a politician that gives money to a genocidal state.
Remember, sometimes not speaking is the best thing you can say!
It's the opposite for genocide, but you and Bernie are cowards
I don't think we should give away weapons to Israel, but why should sales be blocked? Israel has a right to defend itself.
I think what they’ve done is far more than merely defending themselves.
Yes, Hamas is evil and did heinous things to the Israeli people, but the response was disproportionate and targeted civilians. Even the lowest estimates show that one in every fifty people in Gaza have been killed, and that number includes mostly women and children, not combatants. Heck, other estimates show nearly double that death toll.
And let’s not even start on the forced displacement of almost a million (!!!) people.
Don't forget the public admission from Israel that they want to kill everyone in Gaza that doesn't leave.
Also, they're not letting anyone leave.
This. It goes far beyond reckless, far beyond callous; it's literal genocide.
My friend the real death toll could be ten times the 40k killed I'm being told by the media. I don't know, I've never been there. Everything is so fucked it's hard to know who to believe.
The UN has published the estimated deaths to be at least 200k+ because of famine and the lack of medical care.
That's a Genocide.
Oh yeah, no doubt about it. I just can't ever know how many bodies are under the remains of their buildings. I imagine that could even be a conservative number. I doubt they were doing a census.
It's making me sick thinking about it every day and I'm so privileged to even have the luxury of giving a shit.
Oh yeah, I’m using very low numbers (ie. just the bodies who have been identified) so there’s little room for argument. The actual death toll is unknowable because it’s so large.
Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?
They attacked Israel
That wasn't the question.
They have a right to defend themselves when they are being attacked. They fucked around and are in the process of finding out. They don't have any right to defense when attacking first.
It's really simple. Russia attacked Ukraine so when Ukraine occupied Kursk, Russia has zero right to complain.
If a bully keeps bullying someone, until the victim finally snaps back, is it the bully defending themselves or should they not be held at fault for the bullying in the first place?
They were offered a two state solution and rejected it. Whose fault is that?
To add to what the other guy said: As Hamas is an insurgency working in territory that Israel is illegally occupying, Israel does not in fact have a right to defend itself. It has no right to do anything except get the fuck out of Gaza (including its territorial waters and airspace).
don't feed the troll
The money for these "sales" is aid from the US government.
Israel is unique in that they are the only country that gets its aid from the US government on January 1st, with interest, in cash. They have to use a part of it on American weapons and the rest they just get in cash.
I'm sure Sanders also has a bill or intentions to stop that, but that would be a separate bill.
Then don't give it to them for free
Free would be a bargain compared to what US taxpayers are actually paying lol 😂
Troll detected. Could be an incel too.
Don't feed anyway.
Yeah with genocide.... fuck Israel, they are trash humans.
It's actually just a limitation of the weapon system. Unfortunately, they switched to the foreskin guidance systems.
Yes, they should defend themselves, but if we sell (not give away) weapons, I don't see anything wrong with that. I'm not saying we should defend Israel with American troops, but Israel has a right to exist and procure weapons