Idk how long a lot of you have been off reddit but I was there just after Sync for lemmy was announced and it had a lot of people saying they'd come over with Sync. So Idgaf if it's got ads or a premium fee, because I don't have to use it. I can just let the people who want it use it and let the fediverse grow.
The only thing I like more than sync is people having the option to choose the app they prefer.
Lack of 3rd party apps is why a lot of us are even here in the first place. The more developers committed to Lemmy the better the platform will become.
It's in early development, I'm sure it'll get better. The awesome thing is that we have so many great choices for clients. There's something for everyone!
People are upset because they want to use a premium service without paying for it. The dev was kind enough to add a free version, which is supported by ads. However, the ads in the free version use trackers (just like pretty much every ad service), so people are getting hysterical that the app is "spying" on them.
It would be one thing if this was the only app for Lemmy, but there's numerous other apps on the market they could use.
Although none of them are even half as polished as Sync 😉
The paid version will probably go on sale in a few months. I remember redditsync being $10 or something and I got it for $1-2 on sale.
Edit: and I don't know if sync is on iOS but anyone on an android can download Google play rewards and usually get 1-5 surveys a day and get $0.10-$0.70 per survey. It adds up pretty quick. I get quite a few a day and even more when I walk in areas with lots of retail. If you are willing to share a photo of your receipt it'll give you even more. I've made a few hundred dollars for apps over the past decade using that app. I don't think I've ever paid for an app with my actual money and just used money earned off rewards. If you have an android (with Google services) it should be an app you have.
I use the Google survey thing too and agree that it stacks up pretty fast. I often use it to buy premium versions of apps.
That said, I really doubt the people concerned with trackers in an app would want to willingly give Google information about themselves that they sell to advertisers.
If you use browser extensions like Ghostery and AdNauseam it'll click on blocked ads in the background, essentially giving Google fake info. After I started using extensions like that my survey questions have been all over the place, and I'll answer them in a way that feels potentially accurate but is actually 100% false and irrelevant to me lol. So I get money, falsify their info, and block ads and trackers all at the same time, it's perfect!
Not open source, payment if you don't want ads. Valid criticisms, but it's still the best app UX wise, by far, so the blame is not on the users, it's on open source projects to do better
That's a high claim when tehre's features I want that other apps do that this doesn't, great user experience. Just say that you prefer it, stating it as a fact reads extremely arrogant and might be why some other people are getting pissed.
I think both of those exist, I know the first one does, you just have to enable it in settings, and if I swipe to the left all the way on a post it becomes hidden.
I also wasn't challenging you or anything, I just like to hear what other people want to see if it's something I didn't know I would want.
Jerboa has been good to me for the past month, but Sync is such an improvement. It has customization options that just make the experience better all around.
In not sure if its the only one, but on Voyager you just have to go settings then general and the option to mark as read on scroll is there. Its super convienent though!
I understand why people are complaining about the price but... Based on how much time spend on the app I kinda get it.
Also I just gave Google opinion rewards info on my whereabouts at all times and answered nosy questions which i quickly got 20$+ to pay for the add free stuff.
(Google opinion rewards is an invasive app that asks you stuff and gives you a quarter or so for every questions about nosy things)
Apparently sync was a popular reddit app (I think, I never heard of it before), which has now launched for lemmy. The result being that 50% of all posts on lemmy is now about sync for some reason.
Guerrilla marketing or just very very dedicated fans?
Big Sync fan here, because LJDawson actually listens to user feedback and implements good ideas.
Personally I'm a Sync Ultra subscriber because I value paying for the support and extra features, and don't mind compensating the app maker for making my Lemmy UX experience familiar and enjoyable.
However, and this is important, do not feel pressured to use an app because it is popular if something does not appeal to you (like the pricing, or paying to remove ads, for example).
There are plenty of apps that are free or significantly cheaper, that remain ad free. All of them have merits.
Sync users alone can't fill the fediverse with the content that is required.
We'd be extremely stupid to think we were anything more than just another fediverse user.
Everyone's contribution is equally important.
Also people are mad at the price. Add free on reddit was a $3 one time purchase. It's $20 on lemmy.
I'm slowly coming around. $20 is probably more than the total amount I've spent on apps since smartphones were a thing, but at the same time I want to support a good developer. Thinking about it as $23 total for 2 great apps makes it easier to swallow.
That said. I haven't upgraded yet. Also worth noting my average meal at Taco Bell costs like $15 and Sync hasn't given me a single stomach ache, so there's that.
It's nothing in the scheme of things. I'm happy to pay all day long. I used Sync for Reddit more than any of the streaming services I use, so I'm more than happy to pay. I used sync for 14 years, and have left Reddit since Sync died with the api changes. I'm glad Sync for Lemmy is here now. I'd never understand the hate for choosing a paid for service just because there are free apps out there.
I think app prices are due for a surge. With the cost of living/business increases we've seen since the start of covid, it's inevitable. Unless an app has super broad appeal I think the days of $0.99 niche apps are coming to an end.
It's not if you consider that the install base for Lemmy is still waaaaaaaay smaller than Reddit, it starts to make more sense. And if you ask almost any longtime user of Sync, the price is still worth it considering how many hours we will spend in this app. If I can get better value than a movie ($ per hour) then it's so worth it. By the time the app dies you will have spent pennies.
As one of the people who came to Lemmy because of Sync, I'd say very dedicated fans. It was hands down the absolute best Reddit app on Android. Still feeling salty about what reddit did, so I followed Sync here.
It's free. It's only on google play. The 20$ is to get rid of ads forever. There's also a subscription model which I'm not a fan of but it only costs 17$/year.
I'm a sync user and I love sync because of the customisation and the UI. It was pretty much my perfect reddit app.
People act like they're being forced to use Sync when there are decent alternatives. Sync just happens to currently have the best layout/user interface with tons of customisation.
Whether or not that's worth paying money for is up to each individual but I can't stand the constant complaining. Either deal with ads or don't use it if you don't like it 👍
Pepsi, Coke, or Budget no-name cola?
Windows, MacOS, or Linux?
Sometimes it's a personal preference.
I like the UX of Sync. I've made QOL feature requests in the past and they've been implemented. For an early beta, it's extremely well polished. I can afford to support the developer for a quality app, so I do.
I can certainly see the merits of each app, and have used a few of them.
I just prefer Sync.
But that's me. It should have no bearing on what you or anyone else uses.
On one side people being ecstatic having Sync working on Lemmy. On the other side people absolutely fuming about capitalism invading Lemmy's sacred FOSS garden.
I've used sync since 2014 because Sync is amazing. The most recent redesign made it the best looking app I have ever used, and that's still true to this day. Also Sync can be as free, I don't have ads because I like the dev and gave him $20. Now I'll continue to use this app for thousands of hours over the next 10 years.
From my brief testing with infinity, it does seem pretty good. I like that the feed doesn't bounce around like liftoff as images load. But sync just has much more customization. If I wasn't willing to pay, I'd probably be using infinity. But I had years of use with sync and that improved experience is worth the cost for me.
Idk how long a lot of you have been off reddit but I was there just after Sync for lemmy was announced and it had a lot of people saying they'd come over with Sync. So Idgaf if it's got ads or a premium fee, because I don't have to use it. I can just let the people who want it use it and let the fediverse grow.
Based neutrality.
The only thing I like more than sync is people having the option to choose the app they prefer.
Lack of 3rd party apps is why a lot of us are even here in the first place. The more developers committed to Lemmy the better the platform will become.
Amen to that. Monoculture is bad, in every context.
The Vulcans have it right: Infinite diversity in infinite combinations.
🖖
I use Infinity for Lemmy and it's pretty gosh darn nice (coming from Infinity for Reddit).
I found it quite buggy. I love infinity, but I'm probably gonna stick to Sync for now.
It's in early development, I'm sure it'll get better. The awesome thing is that we have so many great choices for clients. There's something for everyone!
There's infinity? I can't find it in fdroid. Is it play store only?
It is on codeberg.
No it's not, mine is fine, just waiting for some features to get added.
Maybe it's your phone.
"maybe it's your device"
A classic.
I just set mine up to be as close to RIF as possible. I love it so far.
I don't care, just stop talking about the damn thing.
i dont get it. whats wrong with sync?
People are upset because they want to use a premium service without paying for it. The dev was kind enough to add a free version, which is supported by ads. However, the ads in the free version use trackers (just like pretty much every ad service), so people are getting hysterical that the app is "spying" on them.
It would be one thing if this was the only app for Lemmy, but there's numerous other apps on the market they could use.
Although none of them are even half as polished as Sync 😉
It's mostly foss (free, open source software) linux guys doing what they do: Telling people what software they should use.
The paid version will probably go on sale in a few months. I remember redditsync being $10 or something and I got it for $1-2 on sale.
Edit: and I don't know if sync is on iOS but anyone on an android can download Google play rewards and usually get 1-5 surveys a day and get $0.10-$0.70 per survey. It adds up pretty quick. I get quite a few a day and even more when I walk in areas with lots of retail. If you are willing to share a photo of your receipt it'll give you even more. I've made a few hundred dollars for apps over the past decade using that app. I don't think I've ever paid for an app with my actual money and just used money earned off rewards. If you have an android (with Google services) it should be an app you have.
I use the Google survey thing too and agree that it stacks up pretty fast. I often use it to buy premium versions of apps.
That said, I really doubt the people concerned with trackers in an app would want to willingly give Google information about themselves that they sell to advertisers.
If you use browser extensions like Ghostery and AdNauseam it'll click on blocked ads in the background, essentially giving Google fake info. After I started using extensions like that my survey questions have been all over the place, and I'll answer them in a way that feels potentially accurate but is actually 100% false and irrelevant to me lol. So I get money, falsify their info, and block ads and trackers all at the same time, it's perfect!
You really can polish a turd.
Not open source, payment if you don't want ads. Valid criticisms, but it's still the best app UX wise, by far, so the blame is not on the users, it's on open source projects to do better
Sync has a giant head start.
Oh no doubt about that. And I really hope other apps do catch up, having one "best app" isn't super healthy
oh thats REALLY bad.
That's a high claim when tehre's features I want that other apps do that this doesn't, great user experience. Just say that you prefer it, stating it as a fact reads extremely arrogant and might be why some other people are getting pissed.
What features? I want to know if I should want them too, haha.
Marking posts as read as you scroll by them for example, this way every time I refresh the page I see no repeat posts.
Another one that I've seen mentioned by users in some of these posts is that the "hide" swipe action doesn't exist, and it does in connect.
Idk, I'm not saying that the app is bad, it's just that the amount of people claiming that it's the apex of all creation is way too overbearing.
I think both of those exist, I know the first one does, you just have to enable it in settings, and if I swipe to the left all the way on a post it becomes hidden.
I also wasn't challenging you or anything, I just like to hear what other people want to see if it's something I didn't know I would want.
Oh no! People enjoying something, better get angry!
lemmy is crowded with the FOSS and privacy crowd. it's what makes lemmy so much better than reddit.
ita reasonable that a paid app, with ads and telemetry isn't their traditional jam.
Jerboa... Always
Ngl, I downloaded Sync just to mess around and Imma be honest. I get why people like it.
K. Elon
$100 for a sink is actually a great deal!
Jerboa has been good to me for the past month, but Sync is such an improvement. It has customization options that just make the experience better all around.
I downloaded Liftoff today. It's pretty fancy, and ad free.
For me Voyager marking on read when you scroll past a post is just a killer feature
In case any sync users are looking to enable this: Settings shortcut: History > Mark posts as read on scroll
The fact that you can link to a freaking setting is amazing. I love this app.
And people still think Sync is overhyped. This is pure awesomeness
10+ years working on sync and I only added that last year. Been an absolute game changer for support*.
Wow I was stunned when I clicked that and it sent to the setting lol.
TIL you can make links to settings by long-pressing them. That's actually awesome as hell.
That ain't me mate
Oof. They got me.
I guess my congrats go to you.
Is voyager the only app that can do that? That's a feature that I would consider switching for
In not sure if its the only one, but on Voyager you just have to go settings then general and the option to mark as read on scroll is there. Its super convienent though!
Connect can do it as well
As do infinity for lemmy.
I understand why people are complaining about the price but... Based on how much time spend on the app I kinda get it.
Also I just gave Google opinion rewards info on my whereabouts at all times and answered nosy questions which i quickly got 20$+ to pay for the add free stuff.
(Google opinion rewards is an invasive app that asks you stuff and gives you a quarter or so for every questions about nosy things)
Man, I am really out of the loop here. What's happening?
Apparently sync was a popular reddit app (I think, I never heard of it before), which has now launched for lemmy. The result being that 50% of all posts on lemmy is now about sync for some reason.
Guerrilla marketing or just very very dedicated fans?
Long time sync user. It's fans. It's just that good.
The app team is one man: Ljdawson. It ain't guerrilla marketing.
Confirmed.
Big Sync fan here, because LJDawson actually listens to user feedback and implements good ideas.
Personally I'm a Sync Ultra subscriber because I value paying for the support and extra features, and don't mind compensating the app maker for making my Lemmy UX experience familiar and enjoyable.
However, and this is important, do not feel pressured to use an app because it is popular if something does not appeal to you (like the pricing, or paying to remove ads, for example). There are plenty of apps that are free or significantly cheaper, that remain ad free. All of them have merits.
Sync users alone can't fill the fediverse with the content that is required. We'd be extremely stupid to think we were anything more than just another fediverse user. Everyone's contribution is equally important.
Do it your way, or it's just another Reddit.
I hear he's a bit of a dick
Yeah man. What the hell!? Just going and making a nice app that works well.
What an ass.
Also people are mad at the price. Add free on reddit was a $3 one time purchase. It's $20 on lemmy.
I'm slowly coming around. $20 is probably more than the total amount I've spent on apps since smartphones were a thing, but at the same time I want to support a good developer. Thinking about it as $23 total for 2 great apps makes it easier to swallow.
That said. I haven't upgraded yet. Also worth noting my average meal at Taco Bell costs like $15 and Sync hasn't given me a single stomach ache, so there's that.
It's nothing in the scheme of things. I'm happy to pay all day long. I used Sync for Reddit more than any of the streaming services I use, so I'm more than happy to pay. I used sync for 14 years, and have left Reddit since Sync died with the api changes. I'm glad Sync for Lemmy is here now. I'd never understand the hate for choosing a paid for service just because there are free apps out there.
I think app prices are due for a surge. With the cost of living/business increases we've seen since the start of covid, it's inevitable. Unless an app has super broad appeal I think the days of $0.99 niche apps are coming to an end.
Strange that it would be so much more expensive.
It's not if you consider that the install base for Lemmy is still waaaaaaaay smaller than Reddit, it starts to make more sense. And if you ask almost any longtime user of Sync, the price is still worth it considering how many hours we will spend in this app. If I can get better value than a movie ($ per hour) then it's so worth it. By the time the app dies you will have spent pennies.
As one of the people who came to Lemmy because of Sync, I'd say very dedicated fans. It was hands down the absolute best Reddit app on Android. Still feeling salty about what reddit did, so I followed Sync here.
Do you have a link to the app? What makes the app worth 20 bucks?
It's free. It's only on google play. The 20$ is to get rid of ads forever. There's also a subscription model which I'm not a fan of but it only costs 17$/year.
I'm a sync user and I love sync because of the customisation and the UI. It was pretty much my perfect reddit app.
Why pay money for an app when there's tens of apps which do the exact same thing but don't include ads in the first place?
People act like they're being forced to use Sync when there are decent alternatives. Sync just happens to currently have the best layout/user interface with tons of customisation.
Whether or not that's worth paying money for is up to each individual but I can't stand the constant complaining. Either deal with ads or don't use it if you don't like it 👍
Pepsi, Coke, or Budget no-name cola? Windows, MacOS, or Linux? Sometimes it's a personal preference.
I like the UX of Sync. I've made QOL feature requests in the past and they've been implemented. For an early beta, it's extremely well polished. I can afford to support the developer for a quality app, so I do.
I can certainly see the merits of each app, and have used a few of them. I just prefer Sync.
But that's me. It should have no bearing on what you or anyone else uses.
Give me a free coke clone and I'll pick it most of the time. Your comparison lacks because everything has to be bought (except Linux).
FOSS apps are free and will always be free.
But yeah, if you prefer one app over another and you're fine with paying money to use it, go ahead.
To me, it's because the app is so polished and customizable. Other apps don't really come close yet, but they might soon.
Sure hope so! Liftoff and Infinity for Lemmy are already really nice.
Personal preference, idk. I'm not trying to convince you, just stating the facts
I was just lurking on connect till sync came out personally
Same, connect worked good but... Sync is my home lol
I choose neither side. I prefer using the free apps, and I'm not sad about it.
Idk man I am using Connect and I am happy with it.
Still using Jerboa and still loving it
Who asked you?
Open forum = anyone can post their opinion on a topic. Sorry if I struck a nerve 😅
Can someone explain this one to me? I’m on ios and therefore can’t use sync.
On one side people being ecstatic having Sync working on Lemmy. On the other side people absolutely fuming about capitalism invading Lemmy's sacred FOSS garden.
Meanwhile the bus driver is making quick decisions at every bend on the mountain road as he gets more and more irritated by the non-stop Sync posts.
I just use Artemis for kbin and a browser for lemmy until lemmy support drops
Isn’t Artemis still in closed beta?
How can people even consider using this when infinity for lemmy exists? It's such an amazing port from reddit. Also it's free and no ads
I've used sync since 2014 because Sync is amazing. The most recent redesign made it the best looking app I have ever used, and that's still true to this day. Also Sync can be as free, I don't have ads because I like the dev and gave him $20. Now I'll continue to use this app for thousands of hours over the next 10 years.
You are optomisitic thinking Lemmy will be around in 10 years. You can pay the dev $40 though when it's ported to whatever the new platform is.
No "swipe to hide post". The only swipe actions I can find on Infinity are up/down vote.
I didn't like infinity because of a big pile of little things. half of which could be described as just habit.
probably I wouldn't have been okay to stick with it but Sync came to lemmy. sync > infinity hands down. try it.
Because people really like the Sync UX? It’s not that hard to understand…
From my brief testing with infinity, it does seem pretty good. I like that the feed doesn't bounce around like liftoff as images load. But sync just has much more customization. If I wasn't willing to pay, I'd probably be using infinity. But I had years of use with sync and that improved experience is worth the cost for me.