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British public thinks supporting Ukraine is more important than good relations with USA

Source is here: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/02/20/c33bd/1

That source allows you to see the results according to political affiliation. Pluralities of supporters of the Conservatives, Labour, and Lib Dems think that supporting Ukraine is more important.

The exception is Reform UK, whose supporters think that good relations with the USA are more important than supporting Ukraine.

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lemmy.ml

This American supports the priorities shown by the polling numbers.

We need more nations standing up to Trump, not more nations bending the knee. It doesn't just help you, it helps us.

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wirebeadsreply
lemmy.ca

It needs to be stopped from the inside. Your rapist leader needs to be put down like a rabid dog.

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slrpnk.net

absolutely. but we need help. ~30% of the country supports this. ~25% abhors it. the remaining ~45% are living in a false sense of thinking they know what's going on and the other ~55% sound like two different kind of lunatic. we are doing all we can to wake them up, but we need the world to say we, as a nation, are the baddies. that will push some of the 45 into the 30, but it will do more to push thore 45 into the 25. americans like to think themselves the heroes of history. so please. saction us like we're russia. because we are

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Nah screw your help, you're the most armed civilian force on the planet. Go and organise/join the resistance against your nation. You've destoryed the planet and now begging for help? Get a gun and die for the revolution big dawg. Gaza's given up 300,000 lives and Ukraine also in the hundreds of thousands of not million. You already lose countless people a day to due medical debt or your justice system Might as well

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If it were an option, then it might be better to selfishly keep good relations with the US. But Trump will always try to extract as much as possible, regardless of 'good relations'. So the choice is really between helping Ukraine or not, knowing the US will be the same either way.

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feddit.uk

it might be better to selfishly keep good relations with the US

Or the UK could prioritise good relations with Europe instead, which the public seems to support (source for below image):

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Why aren't they? I understand the nuance (The UK is in Europe but not the EU), and in certain situations the distinction is important; the UK is not it's own continent and Britons are Europeans.

But the two are (or have become) analogous when we're talking about trade and politics.

Just because not all European countries are in the EU doesn't mean that by saying you want better relations with the EU you want to tell Norway to go fuck themselves.

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A valid point in general, but since this is from a uk trade perspective, there isn’t much in Europe but outside the EU. Norway, Switzerland and a few Balkan countries.

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getting your thumb slammed in a door is more important than good relations with the usa

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The slime mold growing up the side of a seasonal creek down the road is more important than good relations with the USA...

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feddit.uk

What would be the point of sucking up to the current iteration of the US? They'll stab you in the back regardless.

It's a clear time to increase unity with Europe. I don't mean re-open any EU discussions, simply work with them on united response to Russian aggression.

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It's almost like the disunity with europe is part of some targeted effort

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Damn right.

If Ukraine falls it won't matter if you have good relations with US, because Russia won't stop there.

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aramovareply
infosec.pub

Came to say the same.

Half of us think the country shits gold and the world will bend over.

If you had a family member who behaved like we did, it would be time for an intervention.

Christ, I'd rather see Boris Johnson as our president than what we have, at least he's Mr Bean level of political stupid. Ours is just vile hate and greed.

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Johnson would be better but his Mr Bean act is totally on purpose. He acts like that so you wouldn't think him capable of far right cruelty. I've read that he even intentionally messes up his hair before he goes in front of cameras.

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It's all part of his cleverly crafted persona. Just like him using his middle name. The average Brit doesn't know that the real man is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, who used to burn £50 notes in front of homeless people for fun.

Remember this guy wanted to invade the Netherlands.

This time it's the US that's 4 years behind. You have your own Dominic Cummings and everything.

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lemm.ee

Trump is [hopefully] a temporary problem.

Putin isn't going anywhere.

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Trump may be temporary, but the oligarch fascists flocking around him have realised how blatant they can act without facing any repercussions, and they will not relinquish this overt control of political power again, regardless of which president wins.

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Why is there a "Neither" option? I mean in practice "Neither" could mean to strike a perfect 50/50 balance. Or it could mean to antagonize both of them. Or it could mean "i don't really care". So what makes "Neither" a separate and relevant category to "Don't know", which could also mean "i don't know how to prioritize the two" or "i don't really care" or "what is an US and is it a newer model or older than the Ukraine?"

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I recently read an opinion piece by a GB News writer (masochism I guess) in which he said Keir Starmer was out of touch with UK sentiment for prioritising Ukraine over the US. Now, Sir Keir is a woeful prick of a red tory, but its quite nice to have confirmation that GBeebies are badly misinformed on this topic too.

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Many people will claim that the public is on their side, without providing actual evidence. I guess that's why polling is important.

Then you have some people who claim the polls are rigged, but I think it's more likely that the polls are pretty accurate.

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Many thanks for the links, the first article was very interesting, I don't agree with your conclusion though :)

My takeaway is that traditional polling is mostly dead, because it has become prohibitively expensive to get a representative result. So if we still want to see regular opinion polls, then opt in polling is what we're going to get. And when it comes to opt in polling, yougov appears to be one of the better firms, from the article: "But opt-in polling firms run the gamut. Some, like YouGov, publish their methodology and strive to ensure the integrity of their data. Others, experts say, do not.".

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Are they inaccurate? What polling company would be better for this sort of political question?

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After brexit indont give a shit anymore that the UK public thinks. They showed they're more than happy to vote for something insanely stupid and against their own best interests, only to start investing the subject right after voting for it.

This may be positive for us, but they may just as well vote for Putin taking over the UK government because some nitwit made an ad about it on a bus

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