Trump’s indictment has turned every American voter into a juror
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Y'all going to be real pissed off again.
I'm gonna be pissed off having to vote for Biden. I hate the two party system.
As an European can you explain what's so wrong about him? So many laws have been blocked by the opposition.
With Biden? He's a capitalist with the wrong priorities. He's approved more new oil drilling than anyone else in recent memory, for example. If you're European, you would probably consider him center-right, and I don't believe that's the right direction for America. We need stronger social safety nets, better education, and really need to invest in Americans again.
Don't get me wrong, he's done a lot of good. He really has. But if we had ranked choice voting in this country, he absolutely would not have won. He does not represent most of us. But he represents most of us better than the other guy.
Center-right is what's currently governing my country, so an absolutely cannot place him there.
I should have probably specified better, don't know why I just said European. I am from Italy, we have "the protector of the traditional family values" in power and two days ago she slashed welfare and a month ago invalidated some birth certificates of children from same-sex parents.
Oil rigs are definitely something you don't hear about unless you live there, I understand. Wasn't clean energy an objective of him?
It is a matter of perspective but center-right generally means some forms of welfare and capitalist regulations are still encouraged for very obvious cases, like anti-monopoly laws and basic healthcare.
What you're describing sounds more like plain right-wing. no welfare programs of any kind, invalidating progressive policies instead of maintaining status quo.
Biden made his whole career about cutting welfare programs and helping big corpos. He has shifted center in his former years, in part because the Democratic party now basically emcompass 75% of the political spectrum, since the GOP is now far-right, and everything left of that has to be absorbed by the democrats.
Biden is making decent compromise, thanks to his legacy with Obama and members of the party like Bernie and AOC, but he is way too moderate to enact the solutions that the country needs, imo.
It's been a talking point since I was a fresh face high schooler over 30 years ago. It's been acted on only in very minor ways in that time. Nothing approaching what actually needed to be done.
Dutchie here. Not a fan of the multiparty system either. Anyone who hits the news (be it positive or negative) can start their own party if they get the number of party members required.
Result: we had to enlarge our voting billets.
I'll be voting for Cornel West. You could, too!
Unfortunately splitting the vote on the left is not the way avoid Trump further fucking up the country
If everyone that says they hated the two party system would actually vote third party then we'd actually have a third party.
Biden doesn't deserve my vote and I live in a red state. I'd vote for Cornel West even if I lived in a purple state, however, because I'm done propping up the least worst candidates.
Nether the dems not the republicans represent the working class and they can all get fucked.
I get where you're coming from, but a historic election like this is probably not the one for that action. It's not run-of-the-mill "historic", either.
I agree, but lesser of two evils and all that. I’m Canadian so I don’t vote for either.
We have our own FPTP problems, but at least with a huge section of the country (Quebec) always voting in their federal party it allows room for the NDP in the rest of Canada.
Fuckin’ Trudeau ran on election reform then dropped it and legalized weed. So I have mixed feelings about the guy.
Voting for the lesser of two evils is how Trudeau got into power.
That’s always how it is in a FPTP system. It was always going to be either the Conservatives or Liberals and the Conservatives keep offering laughably bad candidates. Although, as both those parties shift further right the NDP may have a chance in the distant future.
All I’m saying is at least there’s room for other parties thanks to Quebec’s stubbornness. (I mean that in the most loving way)
No, we'd have a new second party. And that party wouldn't win against Republicans.
Yeah I tossed my vote in the trash in 2016 like a fucking moron and I’ll never do that agin.
So you want a Trump presidency. Why?
Do you, but appealing to idealism instead of staving off fascism is bad praxis.
Why, you think he's going to win?
It would be consistent with him getting away with all of the other obviously blatant shit he has done before.
I hope so. The economy can't take much more.
Economy's doing great under Biden. You need to stop listening to Fox.
Well my pay check does a lot less. I work in oil and gas industry. We are not starving but the cost of everything has went up.
Inflation has been a global phenomenon. Do you think Biden controls the entire world? Any guesses as to what happened globally?
Back to the point, the US economy is fine.
Well we are a golbal power. We have enough energy and resources to supply our country for 100 years.
What are you even saying. Oil is priced globally. Food is priced globally. Virtually everything is priced/impacted globally. You're just trying to deny how inflation is global.
And to fill in what happened globally just so you know: supply chain problems still causing ripples. Russia invading Ukraine, which took out lots of grain and oil.
inflation is not the same as the economy
The economy is kicking ass right now
Mid term election should have been a right wing blow out and it wasn't, that's pretty foreboding for Trump
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Oh didn't you hear? One of the backers of that steaming scam pile of shit just got caught kiddie diddling.
You ppl are fucking delusional.
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That's certainly a way to look at it. Not wrong either.
Pretty par for the economist. Not the same take as every other news outlet, not exactly the take I agree with on all points, but not totally wrong either.
We also get to see how badly he loses the popular vote.
Non-paywalled link.
The main problem with that analogy is that juries hear all the evidence before making their decision.
But MAGA voters will never hear the facts on these cases, because they live exclusively in a media bubble that feeds them lies and truly moronic conspiracy theories.
This country is not okay.
No. They are SUPPOSED to hear all the evidence. Reality and expectation are different things.
Voters are supposed to hear all of the facts. But reality and expectation are different things.
The analogy works great.
I don't think you understand how real juries work, then.
Oh ya? Tell that to Oj Simpson after getting away with murder.
They all heard the all the evidence.
Guilty.
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The Economist always has one eye on the bottom line.
Dead link.
Fixed. Thanks
Link is still dead or dead again homie.
Tf is wrong with me
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