I wouldn't say they "hate" it though. XFCE-components used to be common additions to really lightweight desktops (IDK if they still are, haven't looked into it in a while), because they can actually be used on their own (unlike most KDE stuff) while still being somewhat lightweight compared to Gnome stuff.
I think most lightweight desktops have invested in their own components or use LXDE. Xfce has some dependencies on Gnome tech, which I believe they pull in.
It doesn't have so many essential modern features, kde has hdr, proper fractional scaling, mixed refresh rate displays and is much more secure thanks to wayland, plus the performance hit is tiny these days.
Wait, you can spruce it up? I've been running it stock for a year now. The design grew on me because it was installed on all the old desktops in my highschool, and I've had it on my laptop ever since.
I remember that back in the day it did make a performance hit on some PCs, and there were other problems with screenshots etc. Guess microsoft didn't code it in the most optimal way ...
A lot of the GPU drivers back then sucked since it was a rather large departure from how stuff worked under XP.
Like in one release we went from a model where only a single app could use the 3D bits of the GPU at once, to the system itself relying on them to present the UI and letting multiple apps share it at the same time.
The thing that really pisses me off is the flat design that is so popular now. It's so hard to tell when something is a button versus a label. I feel like I never know what is clickable or not.
the thing is that flat design is way more of a subtle art than skeumorphism, you have to really know what you're doing for it to work well.
With skeumorphism you just slap some shading on it and call it a day, for flat design you have to think about where things are placed and what precise colour they are compared to the background, which icons you use, etc etc..
In defense of xfce, it was my main DE for a few years and you can make it look pretty cool with a few CSS rules.
Please tell me you can share that amazing wallpaper.
https://wall.alphacoders.com/big.php?i=1338702
You rock. Have a good one
Thanks for sharing! It’s adorable!
XFCE has convinced me to switch to Linux. Xubuntu has a nice elementaryOS-like theme by default and apps from the DE are extremely fast.
I really don't understand the hate it gets. Maybe because the defaults aren't that good?
Who is hating Xfce? Besides the “lightweight” DE crowd.
The project doesn’t have a lot resources, so it’s behind on things. They do great work for what they have though.
wait, are you saying the lightweight DE crowd hates Xfce? what do they like then?
Yeah, it’s a “middleweight” DE.
LXDE, LXQT, Openbox, i3, Sway, FVWM. That sort of thing.
I wouldn't say they "hate" it though. XFCE-components used to be common additions to really lightweight desktops (IDK if they still are, haven't looked into it in a while), because they can actually be used on their own (unlike most KDE stuff) while still being somewhat lightweight compared to Gnome stuff.
Yeah, it’s hyperbola. 🙂
I think most lightweight desktops have invested in their own components or use LXDE. Xfce has some dependencies on Gnome tech, which I believe they pull in.
It doesn't have so many essential modern features, kde has hdr, proper fractional scaling, mixed refresh rate displays and is much more secure thanks to wayland, plus the performance hit is tiny these days.
Wait, you can spruce it up? I've been running it stock for a year now. The design grew on me because it was installed on all the old desktops in my highschool, and I've had it on my laptop ever since.
https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/theming
https://docs.gtk.org/gtk4/css-properties.html
https://gottcode.org/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/theme/
Pixels.
u can very easily theme plasma to be retro so im not sure why it an gnome are included meow.
post kinda smells of 4chan
Any examples of those themes?
https://store.kde.org/browse?cat=104&tag=retro meow :3
Most of them are either ugly or incompatible with Plasma 6 :/
meow 🤷
Based and liking what you like pilled
POV good design
I unironically do hate modern UI. I'd love to be able to like windows 98-ify my OS.
Don't let your dreams be dreams! Just add XFCE :)
Oh my god.... Thank you. So much.
Same here, I always got flak for disabling that transparent shit in vista and onwards, I want to work.
Today I'm a serene Linux Mint user "BTW".
Didn't those transparent bars come with a massive performance hit? I didn't know anyone who kept it enabled.
Not really, with a GPU compositor it's basically free.
I remember that back in the day it did make a performance hit on some PCs, and there were other problems with screenshots etc. Guess microsoft didn't code it in the most optimal way ...
A lot of the GPU drivers back then sucked since it was a rather large departure from how stuff worked under XP.
Like in one release we went from a model where only a single app could use the 3D bits of the GPU at once, to the system itself relying on them to present the UI and letting multiple apps share it at the same time.
xfce is the BEST DE
And combined with Xmonad is superb
If my OS doesn't sing to me when I start it, and play a farewell dirge when I shut it down, it can fuck right off.
Don't tell them about tiling WMs.
honestly those can look really modern if you spend a hot minute configuring them
They're actually extremely modern even if you don't configure them at all, they're as far removed from 90s point-and-click UI as possible.
They're actually extremely modern, even unconfigured they're as far removed from standard point-and-click desktop UI as possible.
The thing that really pisses me off is the flat design that is so popular now. It's so hard to tell when something is a button versus a label. I feel like I never know what is clickable or not.
the thing is that flat design is way more of a subtle art than skeumorphism, you have to really know what you're doing for it to work well.
With skeumorphism you just slap some shading on it and call it a day, for flat design you have to think about where things are placed and what precise colour they are compared to the background, which icons you use, etc etc..
That's a fantastic recreation
Is LXQT or LXDE too modern for them?
Average ReactOS user (if there are any)
I would reccomend Sway, you can easily theme it to be retro style
Listen.. Trinity Desktop Environment, Q4OS. Perhaps with some of the XPQ4 themes (NT/XP/7/8/10).