Americans will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2024. Here's what you should know.
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It's technically not a visa but an electronic travel authorization much like the US and Canada have.
Exactly - the title and the article is incorrect. Americans will still be afforded a visa-on-arrival for tourism and other approved short term stays. Additionally, the authorization is valid for three years and can be used for multiple stays within the EEA. I believe the UK is also implementing an ETA (edit, maybe I got the acronym right this time), but I think it is only valid for two years at a time.
In a way it's silly, but it also reduces that chance of a disruption/entry denial at the entry point to the Area.
I love Americans freaking out about being subjected to the same shit they force all others to go through.
Americans have no idea how border checks work. Remember that next time they share opinions about immigration.
I know how boarder checks work. And I know that the schengen area has the best border crossings.
I want more schengen. The US and Canada should make their own north american schengen area, it will cut down on so much unnecessary government expenditure.
Why not world wide shengen? Why shouldn't all human beings have freedom of movement on the entire globe? Why do you have to ask permission before being able to move freely?
That would be ideal, but the different social securities make it economically impossible.
Because they haven’t paid taxes to run the services they want to consume.
Because we can’t all live in the same place and people shouldn’t be forcibly evicted from their homes by violent people.
Because it ruin the lives of people who don’t live on the absolutely lowest rung of quality of life.
Actually we can: "Standing shoulder-to-shoulder, the entire world's population could fit within the 500 square miles (1,300 square kilometers) of Los Angeles.". I assume your other claims to be just as easily disproved, but cannot be bothered, people can use search engines themselves.
The people complaining didn't force this on us. They probably never knew about it. So I can understand their dismay over this.
I think a key benefit here is that the pre-registration allows for faster processing at the border itself, cutting down on queues at the airport. Singapore runs a system where after preregistration you can just walk through an automated (though somewhat finicky) scanner. No queues after arrival, I basically stepped off the international flight and went straight to the city with barely a wait.
Because "including Spain, France and Greece" is a rather lacking description for 30 European countries:
Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland
Maybe they're selected because they're the most popular destinations? (Nor sure if that true, but it would make sense)
I feel bad for brevity in the presence of such criticism.
Im sorry, English is not my first language and don't understand what you mean, could you explain me?
It’s okay, I’m a native English speaker and don’t understand what they’re saying.
Thos article is about the EU, not sure what Switzerland, Iceland, Liechtenstein am Norway do in that list...
The Schengen area (which has common visa rules) is not the same as the EU. Those four countries are part of the Schengen agreement even though they are not in the EU. Conversely, Ireland is not included because although it is an EU member, it is not in the Schengen zone.
The EU is a very complicated thing.. You're looking for the Schengen countries (inside the yellow line). Romania. Bulgaria, Croatia and Cyprus are the four non-Schengen countries that have also opted in.
Well we've been paying the ESTA electronic visa for years now every time we've wanted to visit the US. It's fair game to require the same
$8, don't break the bank on this one folks.
That's quite the difference.
It's the same, but in the US you have to add the sales tax ($2) and then tip at least 110%. That brings the total to $21.
Hospitals have entered the chat
Dayum, right??!! I have health insurance and work in ahl hospital and being hospitalized would destroy me financially.
It's a ridiculously sad reality that life saving and life preserving healthcare here is a "luxury" that can crush people's future security.
I think a lot things are actually cheaper here than in many European countries. Including paychecks.
Is that $21 or $21 plus some random tax when you get to the till because fuck you?
Not the price of the visa, but the visa itself is similar to the ones that Europeans have had to get for a long time.
Yep. Better cancel all my plans. $21 is just way too much.
Presumably the devil is in the hassle entailed in acquiring it, rather than the monetary price. ie a cost of time and effort rather than money
Edit: also the entailed risk of not being approved, lack of transparency for any denials, etc
The risk of not being approved isn’t changing. The difference is that you can now find out before you buy a plane ticket and arrive in the EU.
Really? Looks like it’s just another approval hoop on top of the preexisting:
I mean, it’s possible you could be put on a terror list after getting your EITAS or you could murder someone on the way to the airport, so there’s never a guarantee that you’ll be allowed entry.
Saw people freaking out on FB about this and how “I guess Europe doesn’t want tourism!” I don’t think $8 is going to be a barrier for entry on a $1000 flight…
Also people saying "Europe is charging Americans a fee to enter" when really they're charging all non-Europeans. Typical American conservative self-victimization.
No. They'll need to fill out a form online before they go. Europe is only requiring this because the US has forced similar bullshit on Europeans for years cos "terrorism".
Even domestically, Americans hate this crap. No one likes the TSA. No one thinks they do a goddamned thing. It's a massive invasion of privacy and a huge waste of money. And then we have this "Real ID" thing looming over us just to get on an airplane (again, for a domestic flight only).
You'd think we could unite against such a simple common enemy but apparently no one has the time. I guess politicians are worried about a sudden glut of unemployed TSA workers who's only job skills are identifying the water bottle I forgot in my bag.
All the security theater around borders and flights needs to end. Open all boarders and make boarding a plane as simple as boarding a train. Also remove Karma from all of lemmy!
Also, Carthage must be destroyed!
Same goes for rome!
Sources for (3):
For VISA applications, https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Enhanced%20Vetting/CA%20-%20FAQs%20on%20Social%20Media%20Collection%20-%206-4-2019%20(v.2).pdf should apply.
What if applicants participate in multiple online platforms? Are they being asked to list all of their handles, or only one?
Applicants must provide all identifiers used for all listed platforms.
I reached that document via https://www.ustraveldocs.com/de/de-gen-faq.asp#qlistgen21 ("Apply for a U.S. Visa in Germany") and didn't find any hint for exemptions for German citizens or E U citizens, so I assume it applies. (But I might still be wrong.)
Simply wow, this one is new to me. Guess I would never go to the US again.
Does my pornhub account qualify as social media?
Depends on what you're watching, I guess. Imo, gangbang should count as social media while masturbation probably doesn't.
Pornhub comments are the most superior public square.
Genuine question, how the heck do people who have a ton of social media accounts (some for a business, some for different topics, some they haven't used in ages and maybe forgot about or lost the login for) actually list them all? If it were me, depending on the platforms required, I don't even know where I'd begin. I very well might genuinely forget one I made 3 years ago, used for a month, and abandoned.
*Everyone from a visa free country will need an electronic authorization, not just US-Americans
Wait, this wasnt the case yet?!
We do need one, but Americans, as well as many other friendly countries, have what is called "Visa on Arrival" which means that you are automatically afforded a Tourist visa just for the asking and you can get it when you arrive at the country. It's easy for Americans, who hold one of the strongest passports in the world, to forget that that visa process for many people can be a long and expensive one, even for something as seemingly mundane as tourism.
This basically adds a "pre-authorization" step once every 3 years to make sure you're not an axe murderer or fall into any other ne'er-do-well category so they don't have to watch you pitch a fit at immigration when you get denied entry.
Edit: I'll add that I pay $100 every five years (Global Entry) so that I can get back into the US on my return flight with as little friction as possible.
I looked it up and I think we dropped to 9th this year, 8th last, but then Japan dropped by 4 putting Singapore in the top slot all by itself. I was chatting with a Senegalese poster on reddit a while back and the hoops he would have to jump through to enter the EU as a tourist are crazy, and it takes months to accomplish. I get the reasons for visas, but three's a part of me that is baffled at how humans drew imaginary lines on dirt and then spend a non-trivial fraction of our waking time making sure people don't go on the wrong side of them.
Yeah, it's kind of a pissing contest in the top ten. I saw another list with us one below Canada and I assumed it was probably our (now useless, decades long) tiff with Cuba that put them ahead. Several of the places on my bucket list are on the difficult list for USA, but I also don't really feel safe enough to travel there, nor do I expect them to become (politically) friendly in my traveling lifetime. It's okay, though - I probably don't have enough money to see everywhere I'd like to go anyway.
Nice, my country is on the 5th place/rank/whatever. I expected top 20 or maybe top 10, but top 5 is definitely great.
Global entry means not waiting in that line at all. It's fucking magical. I'll definitely renew mine. Basically you just breeze through all this shit like it's the 90s again.
US only
We ended up having to cancel a Christmas trip to Portugal because apparently it takes more than 3.5m to get a Schengen visa with a Chinese passport that time of year. Not even with the $500 VFS Global line jumping fee.
Same. I keep seeing this posted like it's some.huge thing but I'm just like "OH NO! Things are now like I thought they already were, only cheaper than I would have assumed."
A very typical tit-for-tat.
TIL: Americans didn't need a visa before
Still don't. This isn't a VISA.
Yeah, that scratches the inflated image of the US citizens. But why...idk
Americans can go almost anywhere at moment notice with just their golden passport. Meanwhile people from many country has to submit countless documentations and bank accounts data for US visa only to get denied three months later.
I'm scratching my head at this comment because I thought EU passports were more powerful at this point. I thought the US has pissed off enough countries that there are many you can't enter as a US citizen (admittedly mostly in the middle east, to countries I doubt most European citizens want to go either), but an EU passport will get you basically anywhere you want to go. Was I wrong about that?
The most powerful passports in the world in 2023
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/01/world-s-most-powerful-passports/
Outdated, Japan has 189 and Czechia 187. Possibly other changes as well.
Depends on the country within the EU. Germans can go hassle free pretty much anywhere . Bulgarians on the other hand are going to struggle a fair bit more than an American.
German here. I had to go through a 3-month process with multiple, personal visits to the Chinese embassy in Frankfurt to be allowed one-time entry to China for a couple of days. Visa fee was 120€, IIRC.
Well, it's China, a country known for its heavy surveillance. They're not gonna let anyone in just like that.
Yeah. I heard I even got preferential treatment because I got invited by my cousin's wife's family to attend the wedding.
Also the roaming fees were insane. I still have the pricing information message:
Translation: Welcome to China! Here, you can receive calls for 1.59€ per minute + possibly at least 0.50€ per minute (depending on carrier), send text messages for 0.59€ and receive text for free. Data roaming for 12.29€ PER MEGABYTE (automatically capped at 59.50€ per month) may be possible. Good travels wishes o2.
This means they estimated that 60€ was the cutoff before people that rack up MBs without thinking about roaming fees start seriously complaining when seeing the bill.
Huh, according to another reply, German passports are supposed to be more powerful than a US passport. Maybe that's not taking into account visa requirements though. No idea if a US passport would have the same issue with China either. Thanks for sharing your experience!
China probably isn't on the list for visa-on-arrival for any country. Whether the process and the attached fees differ according to where your passport is from, I don't know. I assume that is the case tho.
Yep. It's still the case, the title really isn't right.
Americans still get an automatic visa on arrival, they just have to fill out a form online for $8 first
Europeans do much the same coming to the US with ESTA
I bet they will still give you the visa if you don't fill out the form. They might make you fill it out in the airport on your phone or something though.
The airline might require this travel authorization at check-in, though.
"A bit" is an understatement, that title is complete clickbait garbage
Why does it surprise you? It's the same for many countries
Yep. In the last two years, I've been to Italy and the UK, and each time, it was quite literally just show up to the airport with my passport, get it scanned upon arrival, and that was that.
Sweden was the same way, I didn't need a Visa. I hadn't traveled in a while (2006), and I was surprised I got stamped to enter the EU in my layover in Iceland (2022) last year. Now I gotta worry about this, because I plan on visiting my folks in Sweden every few years. It doesn't seem that bad, and I have zero reason to think I'd be rejected, but it's yet another hassle even if it's only $8 (but that's fair if we're charging Europeans $21, I'd even pay $21 without complaintif it changes to match).
OMG, though... those poor Brexit bastards traveling through Iceland. Me from the US was just "stand in line, they ask why you're traveling, stamp the passport and you're on your way." Brexit folks had to go down some spiral stairs into some cave next to the elevator shaft and it looked like the passport equivalent of "the cheap stadium seats."
Not if you're Canadian
This is literally how it is. There is no paperwork to fill out, you just show the man in Amsterdam your passport, he asks if you are here for work or pleasure, and then you wink at him and say "plaisir monsieur" and then he rolls his eyes and gives you a stamp which is good for 3 months.
I'm guessing because of migration. More USA citizens want to leave the US and overstay in the EU. This way its a bit more tedious and easier to track.
It's just part of a larger expansion of a program that simply happens to include Americans. I really don't think they care about us that much; we're not that special.
Seems like it's more so covering the costs of doing automated background checks or something like that. Like making sure you aren't on any bad lists so they can prevent you from arriving instead of having to deal with you when you're already there.
It's not technically a visa, Americans are still granted that upon arrival it seems.
While I know some people who have emigrated from the US, most people just whine without any backbone
Can confirm, am noodle-boi
What a pain in the ass.
Damn! Anyway...
Good. They should keep us out entirely if we haven't had a mental health exam, a cultural knowledge test, and learned the language.
So leave Nato when?