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whithom
discuss.online

1933 - First concentration camp, Dachau, officially opened to detain political prisoners.

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kava
lemmy.world

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/cbsnews_20240609_1.pdf

That's a link to a CBS / YouGov poll taken in June of this year.

If you scroll down to question number 62, you'll see this

  1. Would you favor or oppose the U.S. government starting a new national program to deport all undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. illegally

Favor . . . . . . . . 62% Oppose . . . . . . . . 38%

That's a national poll taken of all registered voters, so not just Republicans.

Majority of the people in this country support mass deportation of all illegal immigrants. Majority of the people in this country support a policy that would

  • require dozens of camps near all urban areas to house tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people
  • require the federal government to dramatically increase the size of ICE, having to hire tens of thousands of additional officers
  • that beefed up federal agency would have to search through all urban areas and stop individuals to inspect their paperwork
  • those individuals who are caught will have to spend many months if not years in a concentration camp detention center

Consider this. There are anywhere between 10~15 million illegals in this country. Let's call it 12,500,000. How many seats does an Airbus A321 hold? (fairly standard and common passenger aircraft) About ~200 give or take 30 or so.

So, how many back and forth flights would you need to send 12.5M people back to their country of origin at 200 people per flight?

That's 62,500 flights. The largest passenger airline in the US, American Airlines, has a fleet size of 970. Let's call it 1,000 (you can find this on their wiki page)

It would then take all of American Airlines roughly 60 days to move all illegals out of this country, assuming 100% capacity on each and every single flight.

So in a best case scenario, assuming the US federal government was somehow able to emulate the total logistical capacity of the largest passenger airline, it would take 2 months to move all of these people.

Now consider this is the federal government that could not even properly create a floating pier in Gaza: https://www.npr.org/2024/07/30/nx-s1-5050708/what-went-wrong-with-the-u-s-built-floating-pier-designed-to-get-aid-into-gaza

Just some numbers as food for thought. Majority of Americans support placing and keeping millions of people in camps for years.

Living through this, it doesn't surprise me at all how most Germans did not care about what happened to the Jews

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MegaUltraChickenreply
lemmy.world

You're correct about the logistics. Which is why those people won't leave the camps alive. A majority of Americans support death camps, and I fucking hate them for it.

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kavareply
lemmy.world

i'm not ready to say we'll kill them yet. for example we stuck Japanese in camps but didn't kill them. sure, we took all their property and whatnot.

but you're right that it's concerning because remember the Nazis originally did not mean to kill the Jews. Initially they meant to deport them out of the country.

They created the Central Office for Jewish Emigration in the early 1930s which was meant to facilitate the process of Jews leaving the country voluntarily (at least at first) and also by force. Sort of like our modern ICE

One big idea before the decision to exterminate was to send them all to Madagascar. They seriously explored this idea in the late 1930s but realized it was logistically impractical to transport such a large number of people.

Some enterprising Jews managed to float the idea of returning Jews to British Palestine - and they collaborated with the Nazis to get 60k Jews out of Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

But eventually they realized, around 1941, that the easiest way to deal with the Jewish Question would just be to industrially exterminate the Jews

this entire process lasted about a decade give or take a couple years.

my main concern is this: let's say they start this process. they make the camps, they put hundreds of thousands in said camps. but then they realize they don't have the money, will, or logistical capacity to actually continue through with it

what happens then? that's the key question. in the beginning, exterminating is out of the question. it sounds absurd.

but over time, as the situation gets normalized, the overton window shifts. then you mix in economic crisis and war... the idea of extermination starts to look less and less absurd

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