2024 Sāo Paulo Grand Prix - [RACE] discussion thread 🏎️
ROUND 21: 🇧🇷 Brazil
FORMULA 1 LENOVO GRANDE PRÊMIO DE SÃO PAULO 2024
Circuit stats
- Circuit name: Autódromo José Carlos Pace
- First Grand Prix: 1973
- Number of laps: 71
- Circuit Length: 4.309 km
- Race Distance: 305.879 km
- Lap record: 1:10.540 Valtteri Bottas (2018)
- 2023 winner: Max Verstappen
A Williams crashing behind the safety car. Classic.
But I feel bad for them, such an expensive weekend for Williams and no prize whatsoever.
Disastrous weekend for Williams.
Alpine has the opportunity to earn lots of points and overtake Williams for 8th in the constructor's championship.
Edit: They could get 6th in WCC if they maintain 1st and 3rd. Wow.
I almost preferred being a McLaren fan when they weren’t winning races. Too much disappointment when they have the potential to win titles.
I've been rooting for them all season just because I wanted a break from last year's Verstappen dominance, but you can't look at the performance of the team this year and say they properly deserve to win the title.
Every team makes mistakes. They definitely deserve the Constructors’ title.
But yeah, as a team I don’t think they’ve done enough to earn the Drivers’ title.
Today's McLaren are like Ferrari of old, the amount of mistakes they make is way too high. The bar is Red Bull right now and they make maybe one or two mistakes per season, not per session.
Just putting in fastest lap after fastest lap. In the words of RPM: Max fucks off into the distance.
It's giving me flashbacks of last year. I can feel the PTSD.
Max drove past the car column at the start like in a F1 game lol
17 to 1st, even under the conditions is amazing. What a race by Verstappen.
It's Landover
Lmao, never change Stroll.
Locked the wheel and spun. Ok, it can happen. Beached himself? Come on!
Holy fuck he beached it
Quite impressive, actually.
Alonso sounded like he was in real pain.
He really did..
So we are guaranteed post race controversy because of the aborted start infringement
We can always rely on one thing when the stewards are involved: someone will be unhappy.
Norris about to add re-starts to his miserable record on race starts?
Another lead for Norris lost in lap 1 :(
Verstappen already up to 10th and out for blood.
Perez all the way up to 18th too, just one spot behind Sainz who started from the pit lane
At least he was kind enough to make a training video for Stroll on how to get back on track after a spin.
To be fair to Norris he knows he just needs to not crash and stay ahead of Max. Russell knew that and just needed to start well enough to make him nervous.
He's not really lost time to Russell and seems to be catching up now (lap 13). I suppose he'll try to pass if Max gets to p5 or p4.
With Norris in 2nd and Verstappen currently in 6th with fastest lap there's a 9 point difference.
To close the 44 point gap Norris needs to outscore him by more than 11 points each race (not including the Qatar sprint).
"terrible luck for Stroll.."
Well, it's not all due to a lack of luck, is it..
Right, my first reaction to that was "I don't see how luck has anything to do with this..."
Absolute masterclass from max and red bull. Hamilton 2021 esque.
Clearly proving that he is the best driver of the season even though he no longer has the fastest car
It's a shame we won't be able to maintain the title fight delusion anymore for the rest of the season, but this was a cold shower for McLaren - both literally and figuratively. Neither the race strategists nor drivers are of a high enough calibre, and it's really a shame since the mechanics, designers and factory workers have been amazing. Trying to root for them this season has been so damn frustrating it's starting to make me feel hostile emotions about them.
Well the mechanics, designers, engineers and factory personnel will be rewarded with the constructors championship. The pitwall and the drivers will rightly not be rewarded with a drivers championship.
Do you know if they value the WCC more, or if they (like the common crowd) put a higher value on the WDC?
The WCC comes with a cash price, WDC does not. Also the team built the car, they did not build Lando
Absolutely brain dead from McLaren and Mercedes, I mean I don't even understand what the thought was here. It was lose lose
Imagine being An Aston Martin mechanic working your ass off to repair the car in no time just to see the driver bin it in the formation lap.
What a day. What a drive by Verstappen.
Alpine leapfrogging to P6 in the WCC. Incredible.
Could be a heavy punishment for Lando. With stewards on track there was a potential danger which should result in penalty.
Investigated after the race unfortunately! I guess they'll have to figure out how to punish Norris & companions.
I think this is the first time I've ever agreed that it should be investigated after the race. It's a complex situation so it's best to talk to everyone involved first
The main question will be WHO to punish (if at all) as all of them drove around.
Alpine in 1 and 3, what year is this?
Ocon's tires look pretty done, that reminds me of a certain Lando situation a few years back
Stroll knew the clouds in Brazil were different. After an amazing weekend, he finishes ahead of Albon.
Lol, that about sums up the level of accuracy in DTS.
Do you honestly think they will use this race? I would think it's much too complex in racing which they usually avoid to bring interpersonal stories. (Not a complaint, it's a show about stories in F1, not about racing)
From what I understand they're only present at a fraction of the races, and so the storylines they try to put together are heavily influenced by what races they were around to film at. I think if they're here there is plenty of material about either McLaren throwing the title fight or Alpine getting a surprise double podium, but it would not surprise me in the slightest to learn that they were not here filming and this race goes completely unmentioned in the season.
Also pretty sure I saw a Netflix crew there during qualifying.
Looking like this could be Max's greatest race, he seems on another level. The first lap alone was incredible.
How is this inters conditions?! Scenes!
Verstappen feeling 17 again
Black flag??
https://twitter.com/ChrisMedlandF1/status/1853117014379757659
Why?
The marshalls helped push his car and get him rolling again. Drivers are not allowed to receive outside help like that
This is the most action packed boredom I've ever experienced. What an insane weekend so far.
Verstappen is an unstoppable machine...
Happy for ocon and gasly as well!
McLaren couldnt do it, not sure if the situation would be different without the pitstop tho. Many other mistakes as well, and max just faster overall.
The pitstop was huge, but judging by Norris's performance today he would have been powerless to challenge Verstappen regardless. He might have limited the damage though and kept his hopes alive for the following races.
Why call a safety car if they are still on inters, if it's too wet, put the damn wet tires on!
It is also unfair towards the teams that did choose for wet and lost places because of that.
What is going on omg. One of the most chaotic weekends I've ever seen.
Why the hell would Lance try to drive through the gravel/sand on his way back onto the track? Stupid
Red flag!. What a race!
Norris off the track and loses track position.
The racing gods taking away all of the blessings they gave McLaren during quali and giving it to Verstappen now.
Red bull and Alpine also made their own luck by not pitting and taking a calculated risk. And Norris had made a lot of mistakes which had nothing to do with luck.
Lol Checo and Lewis fucked up their grid positions and confused Colapinto?
And the drivers in front did an extra formation lap when they were not supposed to?
CHAOS
Looks like everyone in front of Ocon started an extra formation lap
Lando should argue that he wanted to check on Lance's health, that's legal now
What in the fucking hell is going on
69 lap race.. I guess teams complained they'd start running out of fuel. It is, of course, also a good number.
This should be a great race. Shame about Albon, but I'm still pretty jacked.
That's pretty much a guaranteed win by Max now I assume and the official end of the title race?
With McLaren extending their lead in the WCC
This will be the happiest podium in a long time
Max on a mission
I'm sure FIA will penalize the British driver known as Lando Norris for breaching the aborted start procedure.
It has been noted
Edit: under investigation, it might be a big penalty
Up until Lawson's spin: great job by Vcarb!
What the hell just happened? They just ruined what was a good race for no reason, and gifted Ocon, Verstappen, and Gasly a free pit stop? Wow, just let them race.
This has been going on under the current rules for a very long time. This time it benefits Verstappen while it's very often negatively affected him.
But I totally agree, the rule should be that 1 pitstop with a different tyre is mandatory. Red flags should never be allowed to negate the mandatory tyre change.
Wet races already don't have mandatory pitstops, but otherwise I agree with your point.
I have no problem with the red flag for a crash, or tyre changes under a red flag. The safety car for nothing is what has me shocked, especially when they weren't even using wet tyres. For the past few years it has been a complete joke how the stewards react to rain before even letting the drivers race on wets.
Damn a red flag guarantee. Damn that was big brain by Alpine and Red Bull
Colapinto, noooo not under SC of all situations :(
Williams is gonna blow past that cost cap 😭
Alpine and Verstappen benefit mega from this. Free tire change.
Hulk is probably pissed
Watching this race on Drive to Survive will be very interesting.
A beached whale and the pole sitter fucking up starting procedures. This might become one of my favourite races. Let's see if it'll slot before or after Hockenheim 2019 (my current #1).
Red bull strategy masterclass. Same by alpine
Edit : why didn't they pit
The way this is going, both Saubers might end up in the points.
Immediate damage for Stroll, oof. He then ran it into the gravel.
Double lol there
Start procedure infringement to be investigated after the race.
I wonder what the repercussions will be.
Less than saying fuck?
Two local heroes on the podium today! 😅 (Brazil borders France)
Complete chaos
The distortion from that screen in the cool down room makes it seem as like the cars are getting bigger and smaller lol
Sorry for all the Verstappen haters 😂
It might be a pit lane start for Norris.