Yeah, but then they'd have to start paying federal income taxes. That's a big part of why their statehood referendums are always so close, it's a legit pros and cons list.
Last time "yes" did win by just a few percentage points though.
The citizens do seem to be split between the choices, and in the end it is and should be up to them. I find it not surprising that the biggest reason for opposition outside PR is because it would change the balance of senators. Which is rich, since Congress as a whole needs a revamp in representation count in the House anyway, but we've held to an outdated number because it's "hard" to change.
I read there's another possible option - go back under Spanish governance. I wonder how much support that even gets, or if Spain would even want it.
In response to questions on the comments, and whether Trump was planning to publicly denounce them, Trump campaign press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement, “Due to President Trump’s plans to cut taxes, end inflation, and stop the surge of illegal immigrants at the southern border, he has more support from the Hispanic American community than any Republican in recent history.”
News outlets need to stop giving non-responses space in their stories. The PR people don't answer questions because they can just say whatever pro-candidate message they want and the journalists will print it. Say they gave a response that didn't address the subject and move on, don't promote their alternate messaging.
Someone should've reminded him Puerto Rico is an American territory, and its residents are full fledged American citizens. While the island itself gets no electoral college votes, any of its citizens living in one of the 50 states get the same rights and privileges as the rest of us.
Agreed. We have similar issues with our electoral college in general. The framers were quite specific in designing a system that wasn't too democratic. One of the reasons for this was, ironically, a fear that a populist demagogue could take over at some point in the future.
Go figure. Though I suppose no system is completely immune to demagoguery.
A lot of someones did remind him of that after Hurricane Maria, when he loudly bragged about getting on the phone with "the president of Puerto Rico" and was subsequently reminded that that was him.
Honestly, that's probably 90% of the reason he even went to Puerto Rico (and threw paper towel rolls at them).
People who are the butt of such jokes have an innate tendency to agree and pretend it’s not about them because they’re one of the good ones. It’s sad but that’s basically the same thing happening with the white people the Nazis deemed weren’t pure enough, or the whites the early US settlers used to hate on. In another time, JD Vance would have been too Irish to be Trumps VP. That’s what this whole ideology is based on, there’s no fixed in group, the out group target is always changing.
A reason why some German Jews supported Hitler was that they thought that his anti-Semitism was only for "stirring up the masses".[1] Also, they adhered to a kind of respectability politics that led many non-Jews in the German Reich to congratulate the VnJ with the phrase, "If only all Jews were like you."[2]
Imagine your love for them would be reciprocated in their love for you
Act like "I'm one of the good ones" and oppress people who are like you but don't perfectly match up to the idealised figure of the authoritarian leader
Oppressing others is a win/win for people who enjoy pretending to important AND bullying others, and I can't see it ever completely going out of style.
I don't know their views on that, it's never come up. I know they really hate black people, which is the primary impetus behind their support of trump. They like to use the word "native" to describe them, thinking they're oh-so-subtle and secret with that shit, similar to the "let's go brandon" vibe.
It's even worse: it's "I never thought the leopards who said they would eat all faces and actually ate several on live TV would ever actually eat any faces," says person voting for leopards eating faces party because they promised to eat faces.
No it's not. This is bullshit. Nothing Trump does alienates his voters. GO VOTE. I have it on good authority that Trump could literally shoot someone in Times Square in broad daylight and somehow not lose a single vote for it and at this point I fucking believe it.
Do I think all the morons present finally understand what they are supporting? Nope. But in a tight race, you only need a couple here and there to win.
With the controversy I watched the entire routine. It was cringey punching down the nearly entire set. He asked the Latinos to cheer, then joked that all the Latinos present were evidence of illegal border crossings. The one bit of hope I got watching it is there were few people laughing and cheering at the horrible jokes. The main positive crowd reactions were from empty platitudes of how good America is, and a joke about Harris.
The other bit of hope is that the people attending are some of the worst of the worst. So if even they are starting to think this is going too far, hopefully the rest are starting to pull the wool from their eyes.
Funniest thing is that if that dude had just said, "Cuba," this would have been a non-issue. The joke structure would have been exactly the same, and it would have still been a dog whistle for racists, but Cuban Americans are largely anti-communist ex-pats. They probably wouldn't have been thrilled to hear Cuba described as garbage, but if they got angry, it probably would have blown over by saying, "the joke was a reference to what communism has done to cuba." Instead, he picked an island full of people that can easily move to the US mainland and vote. Absolutely spectacular.
Forgive my pessimism, but while this is the sort of thing that could sink a "normal" campaign, the cult of personality around Trump has been weathering stuff like this since 2016 or even earlier. I'll believe that this is impacting voter sentiment when I see it reflected in the results after election day. Until then, it just feels like more wishful thinking.
It is (I watched that exact site the last two cycles). It's being manipulated to hell now since lots of people started paying attention to it. None of the betting sites are accurate (just like modern polls).
You can't bet on it, but it aggregates the odds from other sites.
Basically, if someone who does the research is actually die-hard believing Trump can't win Pennsylvania, they can make a good amount of cash by betting on Harris in the next 2 weeks.
But the fact we see all these articles and Trump's odds have (only increased), probably means these articles are horse shit
The problem is that informed opinion thinks that Trump has something around a 50% chance of winning there. That's a kind of risk that regular people can't put serious money into.
Please understand that your special interest for betting on electoral outcomes, which you developed in 2016 due to your Statistics Prof betting on a Trump win, is not something that you need to share with other people. Betting is sad and tawdry, and telling people that a political platform which doesn't do much to differentiate itself from harmful authoritarianism is quite likely to win is also harmful.
I'm posting it because people are huffing copium thinking "Trump is done!!" When there's a lot more that needs to be done by the left still. People read news articles like this and get complacent because they think the dems have secured Pennsylvania, but it's not true.
imagine if this was the only reason he loses the election. that pr was the decider.
That would be awesome. We should give them statehood in return.
Yeah, but then they'd have to start paying federal income taxes. That's a big part of why their statehood referendums are always so close, it's a legit pros and cons list.
Last time "yes" did win by just a few percentage points though.
The citizens do seem to be split between the choices, and in the end it is and should be up to them. I find it not surprising that the biggest reason for opposition outside PR is because it would change the balance of senators. Which is rich, since Congress as a whole needs a revamp in representation count in the House anyway, but we've held to an outdated number because it's "hard" to change.
I read there's another possible option - go back under Spanish governance. I wonder how much support that even gets, or if Spain would even want it.
There is another option, it's independence. That third camp is not as popular but it's full of the most romantic of the boriquas
Sounds like a Brexit plan
Well to be fair, at least the UK had representation in the EU.
Also, obviously, they'd call it "Prexit"
So if I moved to Puerto Rico I wouldn't have to pay income tax?
Partially.
https://www.eisneramper.com/insights/tax/puerto-rico-tax-0321/
Short answer is no on income from Puerto Rican sources or capital gains, few others.
Well, Kentucky takes all of our tax money including most republican states
It would be a fitting bout of karma after he didn't give two shits about the response to Hurricane Maria.
Imagine being the most hated comic ever because you’re racist but also all the racists hate you.
Someone with talent would probably be able to pivot that into some unironic success. Shame about this guy lmao
I think you may have too
This would be incredible lol
News outlets need to stop giving non-responses space in their stories. The PR people don't answer questions because they can just say whatever pro-candidate message they want and the journalists will print it. Say they gave a response that didn't address the subject and move on, don't promote their alternate messaging.
They'll sanewash but not bullshitwash.
I want media to say something like:
Someone should've reminded him Puerto Rico is an American territory, and its residents are full fledged American citizens. While the island itself gets no electoral college votes, any of its citizens living in one of the 50 states get the same rights and privileges as the rest of us.
Not only do they get no electoral college votes, they don't get to vote for president at all, though they can vote in the primaries.
Right. Unless they've moved away from Puerto Rico and live somewhere in the mainland now, which is a whole shitload of them.
The mere concept of denying certain citizens a right to vote, or a reduced/amplified vote, based on their where they live is entirely anti-democratic.
It's amazing how much Americans have just accepted blindly as the pinnacle of freedom.
It's the legacy of the 3/5ths clause.
Agreed. We have similar issues with our electoral college in general. The framers were quite specific in designing a system that wasn't too democratic. One of the reasons for this was, ironically, a fear that a populist demagogue could take over at some point in the future.
Go figure. Though I suppose no system is completely immune to demagoguery.
A lot of someones did remind him of that after Hurricane Maria, when he loudly bragged about getting on the phone with "the president of Puerto Rico" and was subsequently reminded that that was him.
Honestly, that's probably 90% of the reason he even went to Puerto Rico (and threw paper towel rolls at them).
Schrödinger's racism, apparently
https://youtu.be/r3hTwsvJV_A
Just give me some racism, whatever's good.
Whatever the maga hive mind decides over the next couple days.
People who are the butt of such jokes have an innate tendency to agree and pretend it’s not about them because they’re one of the good ones. It’s sad but that’s basically the same thing happening with the white people the Nazis deemed weren’t pure enough, or the whites the early US settlers used to hate on. In another time, JD Vance would have been too Irish to be Trumps VP. That’s what this whole ideology is based on, there’s no fixed in group, the out group target is always changing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
I have a few lesbian coworkers who are absolutely rabid trumpers. It's just some of the craziest shit I've encountered in person.
How to get imagined social status:
Oppressing others is a win/win for people who enjoy pretending to important AND bullying others, and I can't see it ever completely going out of style.
I take it they're TERFs?
I don't know their views on that, it's never come up. I know they really hate black people, which is the primary impetus behind their support of trump. They like to use the word "native" to describe them, thinking they're oh-so-subtle and secret with that shit, similar to the "let's go brandon" vibe.
I never thought the leopards would eat my face, says person voting for leopards eating faces party.
It's even worse: it's "I never thought the leopards who said they would eat all faces and actually ate several on live TV would ever actually eat any faces," says person voting for leopards eating faces party because they promised to eat faces.
"I'm one of the good ones!"
No it's not. This is bullshit. Nothing Trump does alienates his voters. GO VOTE. I have it on good authority that Trump could literally shoot someone in Times Square in broad daylight and somehow not lose a single vote for it and at this point I fucking believe it.
GO VOTE
One of the only true things Trump has ever said
Exactly. There's not a whole huge contingent of upset Puerto Rican living in Pennsyltucky that's not voting for Trump.
Those racist assholes are still laughing at the joke and voting in that battleground state.
What about watermelons, pullout game and rocks n paper? He really torched a couple groups.
And each one of them were present in that arena.
Do I think all the morons present finally understand what they are supporting? Nope. But in a tight race, you only need a couple here and there to win.
This gave them more than a couple.
With the controversy I watched the entire routine. It was cringey punching down the nearly entire set. He asked the Latinos to cheer, then joked that all the Latinos present were evidence of illegal border crossings. The one bit of hope I got watching it is there were few people laughing and cheering at the horrible jokes. The main positive crowd reactions were from empty platitudes of how good America is, and a joke about Harris.
The other bit of hope is that the people attending are some of the worst of the worst. So if even they are starting to think this is going too far, hopefully the rest are starting to pull the wool from their eyes.
Let’s hope they alienated a lot of people who had planned to vote for him.
It doesn't have to.
In US politics you ha e to win someone's vote twice. Firstly to have them think you're the best choice, and secondly to have them vote.
This will prompt a lot of tepid Harris supporters to actually vote for her.
Trump headlines are spreading like wildfire and we’ve learned nothing of 2016.
Funniest thing is that if that dude had just said, "Cuba," this would have been a non-issue. The joke structure would have been exactly the same, and it would have still been a dog whistle for racists, but Cuban Americans are largely anti-communist ex-pats. They probably wouldn't have been thrilled to hear Cuba described as garbage, but if they got angry, it probably would have blown over by saying, "the joke was a reference to what communism has done to cuba." Instead, he picked an island full of people that can easily move to the US mainland and vote. Absolutely spectacular.
Heh.
Can you imagine showing that headline to someone in 1998?
Forgive my pessimism, but while this is the sort of thing that could sink a "normal" campaign, the cult of personality around Trump has been weathering stuff like this since 2016 or even earlier. I'll believe that this is impacting voter sentiment when I see it reflected in the results after election day. Until then, it just feels like more wishful thinking.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present:
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Population: Trump
They say it‘s a shithole nation.
I doubt there will be much change in the next poll from there. if you haven't yet, go vote.
We've been (not so) micro dosing rage dopamine for too long.
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Is that a gambling website?
It is (I watched that exact site the last two cycles). It's being manipulated to hell now since lots of people started paying attention to it. None of the betting sites are accurate (just like modern polls).
You can't bet on it, but it aggregates the odds from other sites.
Basically, if someone who does the research is actually die-hard believing Trump can't win Pennsylvania, they can make a good amount of cash by betting on Harris in the next 2 weeks.
But the fact we see all these articles and Trump's odds have (only increased), probably means these articles are horse shit
The problem is that informed opinion thinks that Trump has something around a 50% chance of winning there. That's a kind of risk that regular people can't put serious money into.
Please understand that your special interest for betting on electoral outcomes, which you developed in 2016 due to your Statistics Prof betting on a Trump win, is not something that you need to share with other people. Betting is sad and tawdry, and telling people that a political platform which doesn't do much to differentiate itself from harmful authoritarianism is quite likely to win is also harmful.
Just keep it to yourself, thanks.
I'm posting it because people are huffing copium thinking "Trump is done!!" When there's a lot more that needs to be done by the left still. People read news articles like this and get complacent because they think the dems have secured Pennsylvania, but it's not true.
People cope in strange ways when they are threatened with political violence, yes.
Weird flavor of cope