I think the thought of major subs going private out of protest has them at least a little worried. Worried enough to try to backtrack on the changes that will affect moderators to "give them more time", but only if they don't participate in the blackout.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/143rk5p/reddit_held_a_call_today_with_some_developers/jnbjtsc/

Sounds a lot like threatening at this point (and who knows if they'll follow through with their promises if even one sub goes dark), which ironically is the same thing they accused the Apollo dev of doing to the Reddit team.

Twitter’s definitely didn’t.

I don't know... 50% of their top advertisers have left, and their advertising income is down 60%. I'm no longer there, so I can't speak to overall user engagement, but with their revenue cratering, I'm not sure how long it is destined for this world.

The thing about social media sites is that they never truly and permanently die, they just slowly languish into irrelevance.

MySpace still exists for example, as does AOL, Tumblr, and yes, DIGG.. However to say they are shells of their former selves would be an understatement.

It took 5 years after Facebook opened up to the general punic for MySpace to fall to the point of having to sell out to another company. We are still in the early days when it comes to seeing if Musk will effectively kill Twitter.

If reddit starts to die we won't notice for quite some time. We will at most see waves of people leaving months or years apart and then one day reddit will just find itself basically forgotten about.

There is a thing, twitter has already had an okay and quite usable official app alongside third party apps. Reddit official app is buggy as hell and not very intuitive. I think too Reddit will survive, but I think the quality of content is going to go down since many power users were using third party apps.

But for Reddit officials that wouldn’t be a problem since they don’t care for quality but for engagement.

For me, Lemmy is quality over quantity since I'll interact with like-minded people - aka the users that care enough to move away from reddit.

It's not all about numbers.

Honestly the rough parts remind me of the good old days of the internet. I'm no gatekeeper but I'm happy when sites are smaller, focused, and slow to grow.

Indeed it is. All I really want is a place where I can intellectually engage with people in good faith, even when people disagree with me; finding it productive, fun and maybe learning a thing or two. Constantly being called a "bigot," "fascist," "asshole," "idiot," "moron," really leaves it wanting.

Well, i'll wait till 1th july and nuke my account if my app won't work.

I've been using this term a LOT since coming across that Medium article.

Wow, thanks for teaching me this term! Fuck capitalism!

Does this mean "shittification" and "enshittification" mean the same thing like "valuable" and "invaluable" mean the same thing?

Any time I talk about decentralized apps to friends and family I come across as some kind of conspiracy driven weirdo. I do not understand why decentralization comes across as some kind of extreme radical movement. I'm not protesting or anything, everything else just sucks lol

I did a little research a few days ago, and it seems like reddit has grown their userbase upward of 40% since the site redesign in 2017. I think they are banking on most "average" users not even realizing that third party clients or old.reddit even existing. They are more than willing to sacrifice power users who avoid ads for oblivious users who don't.

I think they ran the numbers and went with "We can still make money after pissing off half of our userbase, and we can expect many of the pissed off members to be so addicted they won't actually walk away."

I think they also see this with every major game boycott. Gamers are notoriously unable to stick to their principles and keep paying for games that undermine their "demands" as gamers. While a vocal minority stick to their guns, most gamers who claim to want to boycott games end up buying and playing them. Hogwarts Legacy is a great example of where the boycott basically did fuck-all and many who claimed to boycott ended up buying the game anyway.

They are going IPO. They are expecting investors to pay 10-15 BILLION DOLLARS for Reddit. Those investors are going to want to extract several times that from the Reddit userbase. Up until this point, Reddit has not been concerned about even breaking even.

Reddit has changed dramatically in the last ten years but it's nothing compared to what is about to happen. Reddit is not the product. Reddit's users are the product. And right now, they are going up for sale to the public for exploitation. The pig is finally being taken to the market. Shit is going to change.

I am inclined to agree with you but moderators seem to have a stake in this. If they can’t do their jobs, then Reddit will see a noticeable decline in community engagement.

Reddit is nothing without content, and a lot of active posters and subreddit moderators use third-party apps and bots. Even if it's a small percentage of Reddit users, it's the most engaged users.

As much as I hate to, I totally agree. People will grumble and eat their shit sandwich if it means things mostly stay the same from their perspective.

Most of the changes will happen behind the scenes as they usually do. Reddit rarely conducts it's extremely underhanded shit out in the open, unless the publicity is going to be unavoidable.

Anyone commenting on this site now is in a very specific tech bubble.

And it may be better that it ends up this way. Tech people at least in my experience, tend to be more balanced and level headed discussing topics outside of tech, than people who are single-issue, obsessed with other topics.

Probably some BS about "server costs" or "difficulty coding for both old and new reddit" or some other stock excuse.

u/spez claimed old.reddit isn't on the chopping block in his pathetic "AMA" thread, but we also know he's a liar.

How about we as a community create a repository and maintain it?

They do, that's why they are organizing a blackout on June 12th.

Infinity is goated, completely open source!

Not to mention data loss and the need for a threshold of active users to keep things running.

Also not get overrun by certain elements which have co opted other social media platforms in recent history...

Hey, i just want to say that i really appreciate everything you're doing. Tons of awesome work.

And i know I'm not alone.

Where should i donate? Either time or money or both? Server costs, app dev costs(i know you also develop jerboa), etc.

But really i just wanted to say thank you. We all really appreciate your efforts. I know it's gotta be overwhelming at the moment so it's nice to just hear that once in a while. You're very much appreciated.

It would take time for reddit client devs to build new apps for Lemmy.

Praying he ports it to lemmy somehow

The stats assume all users contribute the same amount to the community.

Like you've said, if a large number of the people who submit content are the ones using the third party apps then the loss of those users has a large larger impact.

The same thing applies to moderators who use third party apps (among other tools that may not be affected) because their mod tools are better than the official app.

this is the key. it doesnt really matter how many regular users rely on 3rd party apps, when the percentage of mods that use them is considerably higher. (In fact I would guess if 5% of regular users use 3rd party apps, probably 5% of mods use official reddit app)

and without the free help that reddit have relied on for years, the place falls apart.

He said that about making a Reddit competitor not about using lemmy API

Is it a Reddit client, or is it an out of patent drug?

My initial suggestion for the IPO was for Reddit users to buy off the majority of the shares 😄

But given the chaos right now, I don't think this will work out anymore.

Has there been any official rationale for this? It seems like a waste. It can't be that hard to do, and while the fediverse may not be huge yet, most of its users are the type of power users it would clearly appeal to.

What are you talking about? Anyone working in B2B sales know there are no such things as lidt prices. Everything is negotiated.

You can. Companies do it all the time. Being grandfathered in is why people still pay pences on their cellphone plans from major providers, for example. I don't think it's the answer in this particular scenario, though.

I expect it to be similar to Mastodon but perhaps not quite as big. That said, that service has flexed pretty well thanks to the tireless efforts of many instance maintainers. Hopefully a similar passion and level of support emerges here.

I'd rather the growth here be much more organic and discovery driven, than by a mass exodus of users from another platform all rushing in. Mobile app's were 'far' from being the only reason to leave Reddit.

Yeah. Lemmy doesn't need to be Reddit sized by tomorrow. For now we can just enjoy an older style of smaller forum community. All we can do is keep popping in to Reddit and letting people know about Lemmy. Keep helping people understand the decentralized structure. Keep fostering a welcoming and engaging community. Eventually we'll grow and I truly suspect we can outpace Reddit. It might be years or even a decade before that happens, but I believe it will happen as long as we keep this community active and growing.

This is going to be fun

Right now I use kbin through webapp functionality. It's nice and well, functional, but it could be native.

I don't think so. I used it (Redact) just an hour or two ago on my account and it worked just fine. Other tools may vary.

Yeah, I briefly flirted with the idea of nuking my account, but before I deleted it I would get a comment once in awhile, on a post/comment from years ago thanking me for solving an issue someone was having. And despite how much I really don't want to continue contributing to reddit's profits, I felt like having that there for someone to stumble on after hours of searching and smashing their face in the keyboard was worth whatever reddit makes off it. Also I had some wicked burns on some fascist shit bags.

I'm going to keep mine, but run a script that edits every comment I ever made to say I've moved to Lemmy and encourage others to also

I feel lots of people say "Who cares about 3rd party apps?" don't realize the mod community also heavily relies on 3rd party apps. So high chance of the quality of subreddits going downhill regardless. Either way, anyone using Reddit still should be looking for a way off the platform.

For all we know, half the users over there (re)posting content could be bots that continue indefinitely, reposting more and more popular content from other sites like TikTok with more bots leaving comments that they stole from other posts. Reddit could in theory continue operating even with zero actual users.

The one issue with social networks isn't necessarily the raw numbers, but rather what apps to your critical users use? We already know tons of subreddit mods use 3rd party apps for better tools. Power users -- often those more likely to generate content -- are also more likely to use third party tools. General consumers are more likely to use the first-party tool. What happens if there's a dramatic drop in content generation, or subreddits get overrun with spam? The relationship is often complex because the user base isn't homogeneous.

That said, as I get older I realize more and more that just because someone is running a company, it doesn't mean they have any actual qualifications to be there. And this might just be a really surface-level evaluation and understanding on behalf of Reddit.

Yes but even 40k users per instance requires substantial amount of resources right now to keep things not-stuttering. And Apollo has millions of users. So we’d need 200 new instances as big as the largest ones we already have. And that’s assuming activity pub caching is already ironed out. Idk if it is.

Really hoping some of these Reddit apps get repurposed for Lemmy

@twizzay @lamp @dylan Well you have my word at least, I'm gonna stop using reddit