USA approves $8.7bn aid package for Israel
I guess they really want Israel to stop!
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We can only do so much. Our country does not care in the slightest about its people, only corporations and billionaires
Have you tried voting harder?
Sorry bro. I guess keep calling it out. I guess it feels like not enough but that's all you have, I guess
Well. I'm a New Zealander. We're not funding the genocide here but I feel just as powerless to do anything about it. Best of luck to you
You'd have to renounce US citizenship, the US taxes citizens living abroad too. And after you've done all that, you won't have changed the amount of money going to Israel by a penny and you will have made it slightly more likely pro-Israel-funding politicians get elected because one vote against has left.
So if anything you're overturning your life to make the problem worse.
Donate to aid organizations if you want to improve the situation for Palestinians. That's what you can do.
Every dollar saved because of "defensive aid" gets spent on offensive weapons...
If they had to pay for their own defense, they wouldn't be able to start so many wars at once.
Normally, I could understand offering at least some minimal baseline level of defensive aid (edit: and perhaps even an inflated one considering that the the one year anniversary of the Hamas attack is coming up), but...
Israel has nukes. Why the heck does the US need to offer defensive aid to a nuclear armed country?
The US doesn't do this for any other allied (UK, France) or loosely allied neutral (India) country with nukes.
If they had to pay for their own defense they wouldn't exist.
Bombing other people isn't fucking self defense....
I have no issues with funding actual defense mechanisms like the iron dome and whatever. Small munitions, bulletproof vests, whatever you need to DEFEND your citizens I'm cool with. When it turns outward and you start "military operations" against other countries that's when I say good fucking luck on your own.
I have issue with supporting an apartheid state. I think aid should be conditioned on Israel granting full citizenship to Palestinians.
You want to give them even more power over Palestinians?
The opposite, granting Palestinians citizenship allows them to potentially control the government.
Compare that to any point in our lifetime, where Israel has been their defacto government: Palestinians must report each birth, each change of address to a "foreign" government. If they want to leave their country, they must seek permission from the "foreign" government. If they want to visit their family across town, they must present identification to a "foreign" government.
Citizenship ends apartheid.
Ah, I missed the "full" part. Yes, that would be great, but I don't doubt that they'd still be treated as second-class citizens.
That would make their version of parliament roughly half Palestinian. More if the right of return was generally enforced. (Just allowing them to move back into the country) So the resulting country would actually be pretty fair to them as long as the apartheid part really is gotten rid of.
Source for that?
They're trying to make sure other nations don't exist.
Sure, here's a professor of International relations in Israel:
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-could-israel-manage-without-us-support-1001473884
He’s talking about being able to continue the genocide.
That's... A good thing.
Not while I'm paying for them
Yo for real, my mom is one of those Bible nuts... Can't be reasoned with. "dead children are part of God's plan"
But but we are pushing for a cease fire. What a smoke screen.
Stop doing this.
Doing what? Showing how the Biden administration and Democratic party are perfectly happy to help Israel kill children?
I don't think that's what they meant...
A Republican administration would be licking Bibi's butthole just as much, if not more. Let's not lose sight of the fact that Israel has overstepped the "defending itself" excuse, and is committing war crimes in their attempt to destroy Hamas by exterminating and land grabbing from the Palestinians (with Lebanon next). None of this should be funded by the US.
His comment was directed towards the Biden administration not you OP
Today kids, we're going to talk about The Straw Man.
Geopolitics don't change, only the justification.
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So Biden is better for Gaza... Right?
What are you assuming to be the alternatives?
Not funding this genocide, which Biden is fully capable of doing.
The alternatives to funding Israel's genocide?
Yes, realistic alternatives that would make the US government stop support for the genocide before it is finished.
Not funding the genocide and thereby stopping the genocide seems like a good alternative.
Yes, obviously. Any idea on how to convince the government to do that?
Protest.
Write to your representatives.
Withhold endorsement until one of the candidates adopts the policy position you (and a majority of Americans) prefer.
Stop giving money to Israel unless it's not usd for weapons 🤷
It's not complicated 😂
read my comment again
Biden is done. There's no comparison with Trump anymore.
Under US procurement rules, every dollar is to be spent for designated material. In this case, probably for Iron Dome rocket motors which the US supplies. So far this year Hezbolah has launched 8,000 iranian rockets into Isreal, yesterday 300. To object to this is to leave the citizens of Isreal defenseless.
Because Israel is an impoverished nation which can't terrorise others without the US's funding?
So, there's a vote to leave them defenseless.
You're a joke.
Really? So you don't want to leave them defenseless?
You guys really are a bunch of cowards.
You're the coward for wanting to bomb civilians in the name of defense. Don't hide behind morals.
Well if you think what the Israeli do is morally wrong, then leaving them defenseless so they can be bombarded is morally wrong as well. But, don't let me stop you from proving that logic. Please proceed.
Israel is capable of defending themselves. Nobody is asking to leave them defenseless. All everyone is asking is for an end to the bombing of gaza, and now even Lebanon.
I don't think it's so clear what some of the money is going to. From the article:
With Hezbollah launching rockets towards civilians, I am in favor of strengthening the Iron Dome. But it sounds like that $3.5 billion could be to resupply Israel for their attacks on Gaza, thereby enabling new ones.
If it is earmarked for purely defensive equipment, it still indirectly funds their genocide by freeing up other money for it.
It also emboldens their attacks because they know there's less chance of successful counter-attack
"essential wartime procurement” indicates material that has previously supplied. This could be anything from bombs to training.
Israel legally can't get any US aid or arms. Period. It's not ambiguous and maybe if they're left defenseless they'll consider maybe treating the people they're oppressing as... people.
So, let's not cower in the corner...are you voting to leave the Israeli citizens defenseless?
Yes, exactly. Support for their defense is the same as support for their offense from a simple economic point of view. Your logic stops working when trying to wipe a small country's worth of people out.
You are no better than those that murdered and took hostages on October 7th.
This didn't start on October 7... Look at the hasbara shill everyone!
Look at the guy who wants more death of innocent people. Nothing innocent here. If figures that you would want defenseless people because you don't have the courage to assault anyone else
Israel just bombed Beruit for 11 hours straight yesterday. Thats ridiculous! And while they were bombing Beruit, people in Tel Aviv were celebrating. You don't see any of this as an Israeli land grab??
Yeah, you sicken us.
Your mask slipped there, it's supposed to be isreals defense this is for, not the genocide of the gazans!
Uh... Okay I guess.
Yes. They're currently engaged in massive war crimes, including the use of starvation as a weapon as identified by the US State Department. They are absolutely ineligible for military aid.
But they aren't actually defenseless. They still have the most sophisticated military in the region.
Then you are no better than those that murderer on Oct9ber 7th and took hostages. Congratulations
And don't forget karma
Yes, withholding weapons from people murdering civilians is directly analogous to murdering civilians yourself.
Perfect logic. Unassailable.
Defenseless people where just what those Hamas wanted on Oct 7th. It seems you want the same thing.
FFS thinking that Israel is commuting Genocide and that you'd rather not fund that sn't the same thing at all as condoning Hamas's Oct attack. You are making the most ridiculous false equivalence
There's a BIG difference between defense system (iron dome) and offensive system (MOABs).
I agree
Maybe Israel should pull itself up by its bootstraps and get a second job
That's a hilarious assumption when we've done this with everything up to and including 2,000 pound dumb bombs in the last year.
I actually read the article. Did you?
Israel can kill children with someone else's tax dollars; not ours
But they're not under this allocation and you know it. Yet you are sad and need to throw red meat to anyone that will listen.