Yes, I like the whole idea that gave birth to it and the great communities that are building software for it. But having said that, the hardware is fairly weak compared to what most are used to from a smartphone. It also proves quite hard to reliably make use of the modem for basic telephony features. It works.. most of the time ...
Fairphone 3+ with /e/OS. It has been 3 years now, still working fine, and no major problems really. It is expensive for what you get, but if it can help reducing e-waste and spare me the burden of buying a phone every 2 years, I think it's worth.
Just ordered a 6a. Any idea how that works with the esim? I've never done esim or graphene, so although I'm familiar with different roms I have no idea what the setup experience is like on graphene with a pixel 6a
@theusualuser@upliftedduck using graphene OS in a pixel is a smooth experience. I have a 4a 5g and I love it... I am going to switch to a 6a in September because 4a 5g is on EOL on graphene OS in November.
Regarding esim I also would like to know about it because I wanna try it with graphene OS also
Privileged eSIM management can be enabled in Settings ➔ Network & Internet ➔ Privileged eSIM management. The toggle will be greyed out and unusable if sandboxed Google Play is not installed, as the functionality is reliant on it.
Super happy. I've had mine since pre-pandemic and it's still working perfectly. It's even survived an accidental mud bath, I could then open it up myself and clean it.
I recently got myself a Pixel 7 Pro. the preinstalled OS really tries to push all the Google stuff on you, which isn't great.
but after a quick look around for 1 hour, I installed GrapheneOS and am very happy with it
although I'd really like to have a Linux smartphone. but there seems to be none with good hardware...
Nah, I wanna have a real Linux system, complete with userspace environment and my complete control over everything
GrapheneOS is pretty cool for now though.
I haven't tried PostmarketOS.
But I'm so in love with my Steam Deck. it's just pure beauty to have a complete Linux system in this lovely package. I can just ssh into it :-D
so, it would be awesome to have a device, that would fit in my IT environment. Apple products work better/exclusively with Apple products, Linux stuff works better with Linux stuff.
You can flash your own mobile linux os to it. I know a guy who did. But he was very knowledgeable about that stuff. And so privacy focused he wouldn't even show it off 😭
I haven't checked for the Pixel for now, but for every older phone (usually OnePlus') there was always something missing - only the OP One was well supported, which speaks for this company's decisions...
I doubt he put actual Linux. There is no Linux distros for pixel phones above the 4a. You can put termux on your phone but that's really not the same thing. Trust me I've been looking lol
Moto g7 play with lineageOS 20 + microg + magisk delta
I'm also running adaway and blocking all the tracker activities from my apps using app manager, and of course, using the most FOSS as possible for replacing proprietary apps.
It works well, but sadly this phone won't allow me to hide root and the locked bootloader, so no safetynet because of CTS verification.
Edit: if I use hardware attestation disabler on lsposed, it passes
Both with adaway's firewall and app manager to disable trackers, both applications are available on f-droid.
App manager will block most, if not all tracking activities off applications (Google ads, Google firebase Facebook ads, Amazon ads, and other nasty stuff).
If something passes through, it won't be able to send anything to their servers as adaway's firewall will be acting as a middleman blocking the addresses.
Microg also has a part in that, as it sends as little info as possible to google servers, so applications can't properly use it to display ads, or track my activity, if they simply can at all.
So does he still develop for the GrapheneOS project? I wasn't sure if he stepped down from just the social spheres or development as well.
Hoping it's just social media management because the dude is one hell of a developer, but seems to get into beef with a lot of other FOSS projects, developers, and community members. I don't exactly blame him though, given how stressful the herculean responsibility he took on must be.
Honestly, i care less about the Chinese knowing what time i go to bed, when i get up and the fact i rarely leave the house, than I do having google knowing literally everything :D
F-droid for apps, nextcloud for my contacts, calendar, bookmarks etc
I recently broke my 1+6T, and settled on a Pxel 7 to replace it. I will flash a custom ROM on it, but I have concerns regarding GrapheneOS since Rossmann exposed Daniel.
That said, I've heard about CalyxOS, and I'd say the Calyx project is interesting! How does it run for a daily driver? Security-wise, I reckon ir's a middle ground between GraphenOS and LineageOS, but I'm not sure what to expect from it...
Saying Micay has stepped down is big assertion, since they could be pretty much anyone coding for the project (I mean, having an alias). It's a matter of trust and if I cannot trust them to do what they say, I still trust the community behind the project.
That's why I ended up flashing GrapheneOS. I did try CalyxOS, but couldn't find any real value compared to LineageOS (besides, maybe, network authorization) when it comes to apps installation and behavior. I'm happy with the settings of GrapheneOS, and I'll see how the situation evolves to decide if I keep it or not :). I have no doubt that if Micay stays around, we will hear bout them in no time.
They have created a foundation and any changes would require 3/4 vote. Do know there is public github with public commits of all changes, so please don't imply any mistrust to Daniel Micay, Daniel has been put through a lot these last several years. Let's try to be understanding and kind please. I am happy you like GrapheneOS :)
Samsung Galaxy S10+, use LineageOS on it and have replaced the battery earlier this year after it finally started to last less than a day. Hoping to get another few years out of this phone before I lose support from Lineage.
Right now, iPhone. Hardened with some advice taken from the book of Michael Bazzell.
Planing on moving towards Pixel with Graphene OS in the near future. I’m also using macOS and planing on moving towards Arch Linux. Used it for a long long time before when times where simpler and privacy was less difficult to achieve and I plan to go back.
Pixel 7 pro + graphene. Like others I got the phone for the OS, though I'm quite concerned now that I've seen the drama between the former lead dev and Louis Rossmann (and others).
Currently a Pixel with an anonymous custom ROM, although I've got a PinePhone on my desk I need to test more.
Cell phones are incompatible with privacy. Any phone necessarily constantly sends your location to your cell provider just in order to work. But even if that's true, there's no reason to also let someone else be the remote administrator for a sensor node with a camera and microphone that you carry everywhere. Running a mobile OS with a universal backdoor is bad times.
Unfortunately most of the "privacy phones" really aren't that great of a smartphone experience due to them running Linux which isn't nearly as developed for smartphone use as Android or iOS.
I personally use a Samsung Fold 4, and run Firefox w/ add ons, DDG for search and app tracking protection.
Apple likes to boast about how iOS is more privacy focused than Android, though. Grain of salt.
I bought a Pixel 7 for the sole purpose of GrapheneOS. I really have no complaints. It Just Works and I feel slightly less uncomfortable carrying a phone with me.
Pixel 4XL with Lineage OS. It works mostly. The only issue I've had was saving DC metro cards to my wallet which requires Google wallet and didn't work with this rom
Nothing is perfect. Even GrapheneOS has been accused of "sharing telemetry" by individuals (no source on that, just read random comments on different forums so you can probably ignore it).
Even without rooting your phone there are ways to degoogle a bit. I have a Crosscall phone (French brand) that is essentially vanilla Android with 4 OEM apps. I used adb to debloat it.
I recommend doing this especially if you don't have a Google account or don't want to use the Google stuff. Saves on battery. Then thow on some of the standard replacement apps (qksms, OSM, whatever).
There is a slew of DNS/host blocking apps/filters (think netguard, blockada) or monitoring apps like Trackercontrol that help as well if you can't root or put Lineage, eOS, GrapheneOS, Divest, iode, Copperhead, etc. on your phone.
At first I thought you are talking about the Nothing phone, then I reread the sentence… (I’d also doubt that the Nothing phone is particularly privacy-friendly.)
I am in the USA using T-Mobile. Yes, voice calls work. Depending on when the device was shipped, it may require a modem firmware update. After that its a simple install of bm818-tools package, enable VOLTE and then reboot.
I somehow got way too used to a small mate plastic phone with a fingerprint on the back. Not sure if I get used fast to a fully glass phone with onscreen fingerprint.
Pixel6 with grapheneOS
❤
A pinephone with postmarketOS and sxmo
How's the battery life?
It's not too good. If you're using it a lot, don't expect to last a full day. If you don't do much and have it sleep in the meantime, it'll be okay.
Oh cool. Do you like it?
Yes, I like the whole idea that gave birth to it and the great communities that are building software for it. But having said that, the hardware is fairly weak compared to what most are used to from a smartphone. It also proves quite hard to reliably make use of the modem for basic telephony features. It works.. most of the time ...
Pixel 6 with CalyxOS.
Fairphone 3+ with /e/OS. It has been 3 years now, still working fine, and no major problems really. It is expensive for what you get, but if it can help reducing e-waste and spare me the burden of buying a phone every 2 years, I think it's worth.
I'm using a pixel 6a with GrapheneOs
Just ordered a 6a. Any idea how that works with the esim? I've never done esim or graphene, so although I'm familiar with different roms I have no idea what the setup experience is like on graphene with a pixel 6a
@theusualuser @upliftedduck using graphene OS in a pixel is a smooth experience. I have a 4a 5g and I love it... I am going to switch to a 6a in September because 4a 5g is on EOL on graphene OS in November.
Regarding esim I also would like to know about it because I wanna try it with graphene OS also
Not using the esim, but i am interested to know as well
You may read about the esim here https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play-esim
Privileged eSIM management can be enabled in Settings ➔ Network & Internet ➔ Privileged eSIM management. The toggle will be greyed out and unusable if sandboxed Google Play is not installed, as the functionality is reliant on it.
more info: https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play-esim
hope this helps
Pixel 4a with GrapheneOS
I'm probably getting a new phone in October or November. Depends on when I have enough money.
I'm either getting the 6a or 7a. I guess the 7a is more powerful but also more expensive.
Fairphone with /e/OS. I also like the fair-trade and repairability aspects of it.
same here, I worked on postmarket OS port for the FP3 too but I don't have the time anymore.
How's the performance/longevity of the Fairphone in your experience?
Super happy. I've had mine since pre-pandemic and it's still working perfectly. It's even survived an accidental mud bath, I could then open it up myself and clean it.
That's nice! Unfortunately it doesn't seem like it's available in the US just yet but I'll keep my eyes peeled
You can also keep an eye on the forum in case someone wants to sell theirs.
I recently got myself a Pixel 7 Pro. the preinstalled OS really tries to push all the Google stuff on you, which isn't great.
but after a quick look around for 1 hour, I installed GrapheneOS and am very happy with it
although I'd really like to have a Linux smartphone. but there seems to be none with good hardware...
Android uses the Linux kernal, so it is technically linux
Nah, I wanna have a real Linux system, complete with userspace environment and my complete control over everything
GrapheneOS is pretty cool for now though.
I haven't tried PostmarketOS.
But I'm so in love with my Steam Deck. it's just pure beauty to have a complete Linux system in this lovely package. I can just ssh into it :-D
so, it would be awesome to have a device, that would fit in my IT environment. Apple products work better/exclusively with Apple products, Linux stuff works better with Linux stuff.
You can flash your own mobile linux os to it. I know a guy who did. But he was very knowledgeable about that stuff. And so privacy focused he wouldn't even show it off 😭
I haven't checked for the Pixel for now, but for every older phone (usually OnePlus') there was always something missing - only the OP One was well supported, which speaks for this company's decisions...
I doubt he put actual Linux. There is no Linux distros for pixel phones above the 4a. You can put termux on your phone but that's really not the same thing. Trust me I've been looking lol
Right the Linux phones seem to be more for tinkering than anything. I can't really convince myself that'd be suitable for my every day life lol
it isn't the phone itself but the operating system on it that makes it private.
Fairphone 3(+, well it's only half way between plus and non-plus)
running /e/OS (ridiculous stupid name)
it's okay - but too expensive for okay
I wish Fairphone would release a version with antennas suitable for use in NA. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Moto g7 play with lineageOS 20 + microg + magisk delta I'm also running adaway and blocking all the tracker activities from my apps using app manager, and of course, using the most FOSS as possible for replacing proprietary apps. It works well, but sadly this phone won't allow me to hide root and the locked bootloader, so no safetynet because of CTS verification.
Edit: if I use hardware attestation disabler on lsposed, it passes
Can you give a little detail how you are blocking the app tracking?
Both with adaway's firewall and app manager to disable trackers, both applications are available on f-droid.
App manager will block most, if not all tracking activities off applications (Google ads, Google firebase Facebook ads, Amazon ads, and other nasty stuff).
If something passes through, it won't be able to send anything to their servers as adaway's firewall will be acting as a middleman blocking the addresses.
Microg also has a part in that, as it sends as little info as possible to google servers, so applications can't properly use it to display ads, or track my activity, if they simply can at all.
I don't like GrapheneOS' creator... I'd rather use LineageOS on my Pixel 3... I also have an Android Pixel 5
GrapheneOS is a fantastic software regardless of its creator. Also didn't Daniel Micay step down?
That's good.. he might have only stepped down from lead développer position though
So does he still develop for the GrapheneOS project? I wasn't sure if he stepped down from just the social spheres or development as well.
Hoping it's just social media management because the dude is one hell of a developer, but seems to get into beef with a lot of other FOSS projects, developers, and community members. I don't exactly blame him though, given how stressful the herculean responsibility he took on must be.
Also hope he is doing well.
He also stepped down from development I believe.
It was from all positions. you can read the post here :( https://grapheneos.social/@DanielMicay/110437191840640957
Sorry to hear that he was swatted, I wouldn't wish that on anyone...
It makes me sad. I miss them. I wish people would be nice to them.
😥 yes, you can read the full post here where Daniel explains
https://grapheneos.social/@DanielMicay/110437191840640957
😥 Yes, you may read about Daniel's departure here https://grapheneos.social/@DanielMicay/110437191840640957
Fairphone 3+ with ungoogled lineage OS
Grapheneos pixel 6a
Pixel 6a with Graphene
A little late, but Pixel+GrapheneOS.
E: bought the phone for the OS. GrapheneOS/CalyxOS are the ones recommended by the community.
Oneplus 6 with LineageOS!
Lineage on a Pixel. AOSP is great without gapps
Poco F2 with Crdroid and microg
Pixel 6 GrapheneOS
Galaxy S9 off eBay and put e/os on it. Can also buy them flashed https://murena.com/products/smartphones/
Sweet! I've heard of Murena before so I'll look into that
A de-googled huawei.
Honestly, i care less about the Chinese knowing what time i go to bed, when i get up and the fact i rarely leave the house, than I do having google knowing literally everything :D
F-droid for apps, nextcloud for my contacts, calendar, bookmarks etc
f-droid is wonderful!
Poco f1 with lineageos without google apps
POCO F3 with LineageOS for microG
A land line that I avoid using unless absolutely necessary. There is no such thing as a private cellular device.
Either are landlines. They can be wiretapped as well.
Pixel 4a 5G with GrapheneOS. Though it's finally starting to hold less and less of a charge, so I may "upgrade" to a newer yesteryear Pixel model.
I bought a second Pix 6 because I liked it so much. Highly recommend.
Yeah the Pixel 6 is wonderful. :)
You could replace the battery. With patience it's not terribly hard.
I believe the 4a is approaching EOL, graphene won't support it for much longer
@Distributed @Tak will support until November 2023.
I guess I'm the rare CalyxOS user
Hey :)
I recently broke my 1+6T, and settled on a Pxel 7 to replace it. I will flash a custom ROM on it, but I have concerns regarding GrapheneOS since Rossmann exposed Daniel.
That said, I've heard about CalyxOS, and I'd say the Calyx project is interesting! How does it run for a daily driver? Security-wise, I reckon ir's a middle ground between GraphenOS and LineageOS, but I'm not sure what to expect from it...
Daniel Micay stepped down as lead developer and foundation director from graphemeOS .... Announcement was posted here https://grapheneos.social/@DanielMicay/110437191840640957 ... Graphene OS is easy to use and install via web installer. GrapheneOS has regular security updates. You can read the list of them here https://grapheneos.org/releases you can also see the list of grapheneOS specific security features here https://grapheneos.org/features
Saying Micay has stepped down is big assertion, since they could be pretty much anyone coding for the project (I mean, having an alias). It's a matter of trust and if I cannot trust them to do what they say, I still trust the community behind the project.
That's why I ended up flashing GrapheneOS. I did try CalyxOS, but couldn't find any real value compared to LineageOS (besides, maybe, network authorization) when it comes to apps installation and behavior. I'm happy with the settings of GrapheneOS, and I'll see how the situation evolves to decide if I keep it or not :). I have no doubt that if Micay stays around, we will hear bout them in no time.
They have created a foundation and any changes would require 3/4 vote. Do know there is public github with public commits of all changes, so please don't imply any mistrust to Daniel Micay, Daniel has been put through a lot these last several years. Let's try to be understanding and kind please. I am happy you like GrapheneOS :)
s8+ with /e/OS, works great, simple to use
a Sony z3c running Firefox OS and a Samsung A5 running Tizen.
FirefoxOS.... Haven't heard that name in a very long time, since 2013-2014
Samsung Galaxy S10+, use LineageOS on it and have replaced the battery earlier this year after it finally started to last less than a day. Hoping to get another few years out of this phone before I lose support from Lineage.
Even then, there will be a community fork. Last year I got LOS for my old Galaxy S4 from xda.
iPhone. Say what you will but android is made from the ground up to siphon off your data. It requires so many hoop jumps to avoid that.
Right now, iPhone. Hardened with some advice taken from the book of Michael Bazzell.
Planing on moving towards Pixel with Graphene OS in the near future. I’m also using macOS and planing on moving towards Arch Linux. Used it for a long long time before when times where simpler and privacy was less difficult to achieve and I plan to go back.
Iphone 14 max pro and using nextdns.
Fairphone 3 with /e/OS
I would like to upgrade to a Fairphone 4 at some point but I would prefer if they would bring back the AUX connection
Pixel 7 pro + graphene. Like others I got the phone for the OS, though I'm quite concerned now that I've seen the drama between the former lead dev and Louis Rossmann (and others).
Lead dev stepped down from the project
OnePlus 8T, running Lineage with MicroG.
Probably not as privacy focused as some, but TrackerControl keeps some of it in check.
Poco F3, for now, with stock ROM but uninstalled all useless and google stuff
Currently a Pixel with an anonymous custom ROM, although I've got a PinePhone on my desk I need to test more.
Cell phones are incompatible with privacy. Any phone necessarily constantly sends your location to your cell provider just in order to work. But even if that's true, there's no reason to also let someone else be the remote administrator for a sensor node with a camera and microphone that you carry everywhere. Running a mobile OS with a universal backdoor is bad times.
Pixel 7 for GrapheneOS
Unfortunately most of the "privacy phones" really aren't that great of a smartphone experience due to them running Linux which isn't nearly as developed for smartphone use as Android or iOS.
I personally use a Samsung Fold 4, and run Firefox w/ add ons, DDG for search and app tracking protection.
Apple likes to boast about how iOS is more privacy focused than Android, though. Grain of salt.
Yeah I peeked at Linux phones and they just don't seem to be handy for day-to-day usage. And I definitely do not trust Apple with my data haha
Fun fact: Android uses the Linux kernal. So they are also Linux phones.
I bought a Pixel 7 for the sole purpose of GrapheneOS. I really have no complaints. It Just Works and I feel slightly less uncomfortable carrying a phone with me.
Pixel 4XL with Lineage OS. It works mostly. The only issue I've had was saving DC metro cards to my wallet which requires Google wallet and didn't work with this rom
Late to the party, but I use Fairphone 3 with DivestOS.
iPhone 14 Pro Max
Nothing is perfect. Even GrapheneOS has been accused of "sharing telemetry" by individuals (no source on that, just read random comments on different forums so you can probably ignore it).
Even without rooting your phone there are ways to degoogle a bit. I have a Crosscall phone (French brand) that is essentially vanilla Android with 4 OEM apps. I used
adbto debloat it.I recommend doing this especially if you don't have a Google account or don't want to use the Google stuff. Saves on battery. Then thow on some of the standard replacement apps (qksms, OSM, whatever).
There is a slew of DNS/host blocking apps/filters (think netguard, blockada) or monitoring apps like Trackercontrol that help as well if you can't root or put Lineage, eOS, GrapheneOS, Divest, iode, Copperhead, etc. on your phone.
At first I thought you are talking about the Nothing phone, then I reread the sentence… (I’d also doubt that the Nothing phone is particularly privacy-friendly.)
CopperheadOS haven't heard that name in ages! Just so you know copperheadOS was renamed to GrapheneOS
Lineage on Moto G7 Plus for years now. Degoogled for years as well. De-degoogled just recently for ... reasons. And sigh it just feels ... wrong.
I'm using a Librem 5 as my daily driver
What carrier? Do voice calls work?
I am in the USA using T-Mobile. Yes, voice calls work. Depending on when the device was shipped, it may require a modem firmware update. After that its a simple install of bm818-tools package, enable VOLTE and then reboot.
Pixel 5 with GrapheneOS
❤
Its sad how most new phones don't have a fingerprint on the back
I don't mind the inscreen ones.
I somehow got way too used to a small mate plastic phone with a fingerprint on the back. Not sure if I get used fast to a fully glass phone with onscreen fingerprint.
From pixel 3a to p6 it took time, but I got used to it and now like it (if/when I rarely use the feature)
2x Pixel6: 1x stock, 1x GrapheneOS.
@brihuang95 I have a pixel 4a 5g with graphene OS. Waiting for the 6a to arrive to me to do the same