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Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending Sunday 25 August 2024

Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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The GMO melons attached to that high school girl nearly took me out, but the boderline race-porn title is what killed me.

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/r/AnimeCircleJerk

Always a coin flip on if circlejerk subs are fascist or not. But this one looks pretty alright at first glance! Lots of making fun of transphobia and creepy people.

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This author seems to write what is fairly typical escapism porn LNs. According to this summary the plot is about as stupid and problematic as you might expect for such a thing. If the Alya-san anime goes well this will probably get at least a manga.

All this is just adding up to: hack author is formulaically chasing trends and trying to parlay some genAIed trash into a manga and maybe an anime.

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awful.systems

So...a yacht named "Bayesian" just sank off the coast of Sicily. It was owned by British billionaire Mike Lynch, former CEO of Autonomy. Lynch just barely managed to stay out of trouble with US authorities over fraud charges and will likely owe HP Enterprise a hefty bag for misrepresentations before their multi-billion dollar acquisition. My heart goes out to the innocents and crew who are lost. (Edit: Lynch appears to still be missing)

Hell of a metaphor, isn't it?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/aug/19/who-is-mike-lynch-tech-boss-missing-yacht-sinking-autonomy

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It turns out that the size of the yacht doesn't actually matter, but rather the motion of the ocean.

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awful.systems

Trust me when I say there’s nothing worth reading in the article beyond the headline:

He would be right if he meant in the sense that Bruce Wayne ineffectively leads a personal crusade motivated by unresolved childhood angst, and that the world would be much better off if his money was just spent on basics needs for the people and he went to therapy.

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modern-day

Wait what, don't they normally say 'real life' unless ... they think batman is a documentary?

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Mr. Wonderful (O’Leary’s alias) is leaking the natural billionaire desire to go out and beat up people living in poverty

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suggests goverment role

Imagining Batman sitting in Congress as an elected representative

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xcancel link, and it’s a fairly interesting set of posts too (with exactly the type of dumbass hustle culture replies one would expect from Twitter, with people essentially demanding first dibs on the domain)

(In other other news, its my 24th birthday.)

happy birthday!

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Artists using GenAI tools are among the most hardworking and innovative creators I've encountered.

oh sweet fuck, dude, it's not our fault everyone you hang out with has the innovativeness and work ethic of a concrete slab

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Arguably a literal concrete slab does more hard work by holding up structures etc than a GenAI influencer

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awful.systems

See, I actually don't hate the idea of engineering and automating away parts of work. Work, almost by definition, sucks. If it didn't suck we wouldn't think of it as "work."

But the current model of AI is less trying to free humanity from work than it is freeing work from humanity. Take the important business of making the line go up away from the grubby hands of people who need things like "food" and "healthcare" as a necessary precondition for working, to say nothing of their desires for "dignity" or "respect". Even creative and artistic work that gets underpaid in exchange for being something people can be innately passionate about can be taken away from those people and fed a diet of raw electricity and compute.

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Yea, there's a lot of work from which it's quite worthwhile to free humanity. It's just that an AI company having that as its tagline and full contents of its social media bio reads with a very particular anime villain cadence. Makes me think of Seymour Guado in Final Fantasy X vowing to "free the world of its sorrow".,

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Rick Astley is absolutely the Auron here, hanging on unsent for decades waiting for a chance to set things right.

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I've been strategically misdirecting summoners for years trying to find a way to take down the big tech maesters but I only have so many fiends.

alright I'm gonna replay FFX now I'll see you all in a month.

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This is just an alternative universe spira where the maesters are the ones peddling forbidden machina.

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I mean, "here's the video you asked for" is a pretty standard setup for a Rick roll, so it's definitely in the training data, and if it doesn't have an actual URL to link it's going to fill in something if it starts to spit out an affirmative response, which as we've seen is a really standard failure mode for these systems.

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Ran across an impressively strong sneer whilst looking through Baldur Bjarnason's link list for the week:

A JUST TRANSITION MEANS RESISTING A.I. (from Scottish Left Review)

Gonna copy-paste the quote Baldur used because god damn:

AI isn’t simply a problematic technology but an apparatus that is shaped by the injustices of our existing social relations and which, in turn, reshapes and intensifies them.

Also got an interesting Tweet from Ed Zitron:

This is entirely my gut instinct, but there is boiling resentment against big tech. Something is shifting, and it's shifting violently, both in the general public and the media. Blood in the water. People are ready for a change.

I've had that same gut instinct before - I've kinda had it since Baldur noted tech's disconnect from the public a month ago. Feels like we're entering an era where working in tech is treated as a red flag, a sign you're a money-hungry asshole willing to hurt innocent people to make a quick buck.

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:( I just wanted to see how many electrons I could make dance on the head of a wafer, I didn't mean to hurt anyone :(

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The good news is that the tools created were sufficiently useful that there's still a decent job market for tech workers (assuming we're not focused on the griftier side), it's just focused largely in non-tech companies.

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awful.systems

Problematic developer with AI crush realizes she's just dust under the wheels of progress

https://justine.lol/history/

You know those polls that say fewer than 20% of Americans trust AI scientists? It shouldn't be the case, because no group is doing more right now to elevate the universe to a higher state of complexity. You know who the public does trust? Open source developers.

Justine, LOL indeed.

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Problematic developer with AI crush

I thought this was gonna go in a completely different direction.

Setting: romantic sunset beach, without a crowd in sight. There is no sound but that of a gentle breeze, waves lapping at the shore, and seagulls in the distance. Ryan turns to his girlfriend Tiffany. He gets down on his knees, the sand muddying his pants. Tiffany clasps her hands over her mouth in disbelief. Ryan says: "Tiffany you are the light of my life. You have made me a better man. I can't see me living with anyone else but you. Will... will you marry m-- bzzt. Thank you for using Virtua-Boyfriend, unfortunately we ran out of VC money so are shutting down.".

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You know those polls that say fewer than 20% of Americans trust AI scientists?

No, but I'd say its a good sign we're getting close to an AI winter

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elevate the universe to a higher state of complexity

girl my life already too complex, ain't no one need elevation to an even higher state of complexity

can we maybe do a lower one?

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In classic Rationalist fashion, she noticed something she didn't like, hypothesized a cause with no real evidence, and then proceeded to rant about the implications of that unproven hypothesis.

My suspicion, on the other hand, is that because Claude is just reproducing statistical patterns from its training data is simply reflecting the fact that she is referred to as a Nazi coder far more often than she is as some kind of open-source luminary. Unless her github metadata signs everything "Justine T the open-source developer" then that association isn't reflected in the patterns extrapolated from the training data.

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awful.systems

J, K. Rowling, skull enthusiast:

Khelif, who went on to win Olympic gold despite the harassment, reportedly filed a lawsuit alleging cyberbullying against Rowling (Elon Musk is also named in the suit). Shortly after the lawsuit became public on August 13, Rowling went silent on X, leading to speculation from many onlookers that she had pushed her transphobic narrative too far. On August 23, though, she again appeared on the platform, spreading more false and misleading commentary on Khelif. Her first post was a quote from a transphobic hit piece against Khelif by Colin Wright, the former managing editor of the far-right website Quillette.

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lol, poor helpless joanne just can’t help but run headlong into the wall

saw something drift by that she’d also deleted a bunch of tweets in the quiet time, so her coming out swinging is doubly funny

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awful.systems

I mean, does she actually write books anymore? Or is she a full time TERF now? Because that's a direct conflict between what's in her legal best interest and in her professional best interest.

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Her professional interest would be to shut the fuck up and just live in her castle, forever rich beyond measure. She could never write another thing in her life and she'd never run out of money anyway.

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one would think so, but as of a month or two ago she's announced another book

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@froztbyte @techtakes Speaking as a working writer: she's a hobbyist writer. At this point she's so rich she could spend £100K/week of her capital and still be a multimillionaire when she dies aged 100+. A novel typically takes a year to write and even JKR is unlikely to make significantly more than £100K from a book (unless it gets filmed). So she keeps writing for ego/self-esteem but not from necessity (to stop writing would leave a hole in her life).

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In other news, Procreate put out a damn good sneer aimed at AI art:

Creativity is made, not generated.

Generative AI is ripping the humanity out of things. Built on a foundation of theft, the technology is steering us toward a barren future. We think machine learning is a compelling technology with a lot of merit, but the path generative AI is on is wrong for us.

We're here for the humans. We're not chasing a technology that is a moral threat to our greatest jewel: human creativity. In this technological rush, this might make us an exception or seem at risk of being left behind. But we see this road less travelled as the more exciting and fruitful one for our community.

Unsurprisingly, they're getting a standing ovation from artists for doing the right thing.

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Procreate is an example of what good AI deployment looks like. They do use technology, and even machine learning, but they do it in obviously constructive scopes between where the artist's attention is focused. And they're committed to that because... there's no value for them to just be a thin wrapper on an already completely commoditized technology on its way to the courtroom to be challenged by landmark rulings with no more room ceiling to grow into whooooooops.

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awful.systems

This wasn’t the first love triangle in the Heinlein residence (they had earlier been in a consensual threesome with L. Ron Hubbard)

UNSEE UNSEE

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well

that's going to be a fun fact to drop in the relevant niche circles

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there’s a friend of mine that’s ex-scientology. didn’t get in if their own choice, but that of family. they got out before it could really get its claws into ‘em

but the reason I bring this up is because it’s from said friend that I learned of the fact that we have a Hubbard museum house in ZA. it looks like an episode of TNG fucked a vintage porn set, and it’s preserved in that state

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I don’t have friends of such tendencies

or, perhaps better stated, I am not aware that I have such friends. and sincerely hope to avoid learning that I do

(e: this comment came first, and is why the other came to mind)

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If either of the parties involved were just about any other science fiction author, it would be the among the least damning things I've heard of the other one, but it just had to be these two.

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and that's twice in as many days that I have been doing a Lady Macbeth "out, out damn spot" routine with my entire central nervous system

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awful.systems

HN shocked and appalled that a "founder" cannot make billions running a largely unmoderated social network without facing a few consequences:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41341353

edit @dgerard already posted this on the top level, I just got triggered by one of the many dupe submissions on HN

highlights include

  • standard Signal-bashing
  • comparison with other heroes like Kim Dotcom (lol) and Snowden
  • outrage that the arrest order was issued while Durov was in the air, so he couldn't evade justice (this is unconfirmed)
  • outrage that being a citizen of a country allows that country to enforce its laws against someone

Durov is rich and accused in a country governed by the rule of law (in contrast to the other country which has issued him a passport, the UAE). He can afford the very best lawyers and will have to be content with staying in Paris while this works out, boo-hoo.

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but if he’s just being held accountable for running a service where others did nefarious things, then this should be a chilling effect for all founders.

ok. chill them

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outrage that the arrest order was issued while Durov was in the air, so he couldn’t evade justice (this is unconfirmed)

Clearly arrest warrants should be made like hide-and-seek where the seeker has to count to 100 days before arresting the hider and publish "ready or not here I come!" to their social media account.

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Even Moot knew you couldn't do this. Congrats on being slower on the uptake than 4chan HN.

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lol, lmao even.

This is going to hit some crypto scammers pretty hard, innit?

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The giant bust of Elon Musk towed by a CyberTruck is real after all! https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/large-sculpture-elon-musk-towed-cybertruck-brownsville-texas-elonrwa-nft-1234715157/

The original video I linked to looked possibly CG, because it was short and looked like the uncanny gaze of giant Elon Musk was staring directly into the camera the whole time; but turns out it is real. I'm so "happy".

And surprising exactly no one, it's an advert for an NFT.

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awful.systems

"Hey you said I maybe killed 5 children with murder drones on a mountain could you maybe not?"

"sorry to hear you're not liking it! it's currently not possible to opt out since this is just an experiment. but if you get a response that you feel is unhelpful or irrelevant, you can let us know by submitting feedback via these steps: https://goo.gle/3ySHg00"

Oh gosh that's such a corporate response.

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it’s absolutely fucked that the grammar and tone of Google’s response is so casual, and the proposed non-solution is so worthless, the whole post looks like parody — I was convinced @[email protected] must have been paraphrasing til I saw the screenshot of the original post and found out it was just a straight copy and paste

sorry you didn’t like that we implied you’re a child murderer. no takesie-backsies though! fill out this form we won’t read if you’re really sure you didn’t like our fun experiment!

I wonder if giving responses so fucking ridiculous they look like a joke is a tactic on Google’s part to make complaints about the shit they’re doing look ridiculous and overdramatic by association

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Browsing over the account what really gets to me is the consistent lack of capitalization except where trademarks are involved.

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awful.systems

Self-identified emergency dept physician on my local subreddit just believes things that spicy autocorrect tells him about his job.

Dude here claims that Tennessee is ranked #3 for physicians looking for work, but when asked for a source...

Obviously you’ll find various resources. ChatGPT has it as #3 for whatever that’s worth. At least for my specialty Tennessee offered a top salary, moderate tort reform, no income tax, eliminated the professional privilege tax, and more. It’s certainly not a bad place to practice and I’d argue very few physicians are avoiding Tennessee.

https://old.reddit.com/r/nashville/comments/1eweryn/curing_tennessees_doctor_shortage_law_paves_way/liz36dj/

Wish I knew where he worked so that I could avoid it.

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My experience talking with people has been often this same situation; they have some specialty expertise and for whatever reason now accept ChatGPT as all knowing and use it a lot day to day. It worries me since the response to “why” is usually along the lines of humans aren’t always right but this is AI so it will keep getting better eventually.

Tools should be 100% correct. Your work has regressed because you swapped out good tools and practices for spicy autocorrect

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awful.systems

turns out duckduckgo does AI search result summaries too, although at least you can turn the little bastards off

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it’s unfortunate that all the Google alternatives big enough to matter are all-in on making the exact same mistakes as Google at roughly the same time, probably in hopes that one of them can swoop in and take the top dog spot when the monopoly ruling finally makes Google stumble

and if that sounds like a fucking stupid plan, you’re right, and that’s why neither of us are advertising executives

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awful.systems

Off-the-cuff prediction: there probably won't be one dominant search engine after Google stumbles, for a few reasons:

  • All of them are making the exact same mistakes as Google, as self noted (when they aren't having their own unique dumpster fires)

  • AI has made it much easier to spam searches with SEO shite, so any attempts at algorithmic search risk being spammed to death in short order

  • Public trust in tech is utterly shot to hell - not sure how much people trust search specifically, but I suspect people are currently trusting word-of-mouth (e.g. Reddit, TikTok) over whatever any of the major search engines are providing right now

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In retrospect google since it's inception, when it was still good, google always actually relied on human curation. Primary component of pagerank were:

  • "how much have people linked to this?"
  • "how much have reliable sites linked to this?"
  • "how good quality are pages from this site usually?"

(Which is still a way to get value out of google by adding "site:www.reliable-website.example" tags)

It was definitely a useful product, but ultimately it relies on human labor to surface quality results closer to the top.

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One of my kids is a huge Gravity Falls fan and has recently acquired The Book of Bill. For some reason, Bill's anecdote about silly straws reminded me of the grok discourse:

FUN FACT: When you use a silly straw to murder someone, it becomes a serious straw!

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awful.systems

Etsy: an artistic one-stop chop shop where slop pops up like catch crops - and that quick shot's no hatchet-job, so keep it from pops 'fore it leaves him in a strop:

(Full disclosure: the opportunity for some quickfire rhymes may have played a role in birthing this sneer.)

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What can I say - I saw solid ammo for some machine-gun flow, and gave it a good throw.

(Special thanks to Rhymezone - I wouldn't have pulled off this rhythmic magdump without it)

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I'm sorry but did the company not have anyone in their org who has had kids???

Bassinets are, as mentioned, used for 5-6 months. Reselling expensive baby gear that's only used for the first months of infancy is very common. Established companies, like those making baby carriages or car seats, know this and make their money upfront at purchase time, preying onrelying on baby-braineddoting parents with more money than sense to buy the latest and greatest.

The people designing this product and/or their financiers should be ashamed of themselves.

Or they could have open-sourced the protocol and relied on dudes like this one to keep it going:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41285690

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A friend of mine recently had a kid and gave the snoo a good review. If it’s really that good a product, it should be nationalised in the name of public health.

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Apparently that's what the company wants too.

Although putting your progeny into a device named for a Reddit avatar is questionable behavior.

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Oh for real? A company that wants to yeet itself into the arms of the government? Big if true.

Yes the name sucks. Considering the gamut of cringe reddit exhibitionism that’s out there, this is a probably within a few notches of all the narwhal stuff.

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Hey, that's the epic battle fantasy guy. I loved his games back in the flash days.

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It would be pretty funny for someone to be so awful that they get haunted by an Atheist. I mean, it's unlikely, but if it were possible then this would do it.

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I wonder how soon we’re going to hit the “we have team $foo building that internally since we can’t use $serviceX for that (externally hosted has security issues)” phase of corporate fafo

why am I thinking of this? oh, no reason. just pondering the cyclic nature of history I guess you could say.

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awful.systems

OT: whats the best way to explain rationalism et all to complete normal people with no connection to tech?

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decentralized cult which worships the concept of rational thinking as superior to evidence. has lots of little rituals which are supposed to invoke rational thinking. uses AI in the place of angels and demons. no core holy texts, but the closest things are a sequence of blog posts and a harry potter fanfic. very influential in silicon valley, very intermingled with various explicitly fascist groups

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Longer than I'd intend, but the way I describe it is probably as

  1. A mystical Harry Potter based sex cult deeply embedded in the techbro scene. They want what many cults want: to commune with God, achieve immortality or enlightenment, and obtain power in the current world, but they dress it in the trappings of science and computer programming.

  2. Do to demographic features, their desire to be clever, and a certain contrarian attitude, they will often seek to rationalise harmful social practices, which leads them to support anti-feminist and race realist positions with shocking frequency.

  3. Because of their close connections to the tech scene, along with the personal relationship the cult founder had with Peter Thiel, and the fact that the cult has been indoctrinating kids since the aughts, they are shockingly influential in the AI scene.

  4. As most cults, they claim to want to teach people to think correctly (rationally), but they actually value the community of being in a cult (and the potential social networking and financial benefits) over thinking rationally.

  5. In terms of style, they like long works with unclear arguments, being clever or witty over being right, and strongly signalling their rationality (sometimes even using good tools), but not allowing that to interfere with the core features of being a cultist.

(1-3) are what I'd consider core. (4-5) are what I'd add if the person seems interested. If they seem really interested, I'd also discuss other connections (e.g. to Effective Altruism, the Future of Humanity Institute, George Mason University, Future Perfect, neoreaction), their ideology in more specific terms (e.g. the Sequences, Roko's Basilisk), and associated members (e.g. EY, SSC, Aella, SBF).

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the problem of my life. I have literally found it easier to explain Scientology than Roko's basilisk.

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It can't be that stupid. You must be explaining it wrong.

Weirdly and widely applicable, as always

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SV Scientology, they can't land you a leading role in a summer blockbuster but they sure as hell can put you in the running for AI policy related positions of influence or for the board of a company run by one of their more successful groomings. Their current most popular product is court philosophers for the worst kind of aspiring technofeudalist billionaire.

If this gets them interested you'll eventually get your chance to do a deep dive to any details of cosmist lore you find relevant.

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awful.systems

It's a little bit like a tiny version of the Mormons if Joseph Smith had read the collected works of Isaac Asimov instead of the Bible and also his name was Yud.

Or to go with less of a sneer, the Rationalist/TESCREAL/Californian Ideology is a loose grouping of fringe beliefs rooted in old-school science/tech fetishism with a lot of science fiction overlays and libertarian/reactionary politics that effectively define "let ultrawealthy tech capitalists do whatever they want" as the only reasonable choice and make it a moral imperative.

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awful.systems

Actually the Mormon thing might work given its a priest I’m talking with. Thank you!

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I tried to think of a smaller cult that's still pretty well-known or influential but kept coming up with Heaven's Gate or the Branch Davidians.

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There are a couple 19th century ones that fit and didn’t go lethal. The New Motive Power guys would be the best match imo.

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awful.systems

Personally I might try explaining some of the foundational stuff before going into the big R. Scientism, utilitarianism would be my starting points.

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I first read this comment before having coffee and thought that "R. Scientism" was a joke about Asimov's robot novels.

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I knew R. Scientism. I went to high school with his son. He was a real piece of shit

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Techish (I would use the word techbro here, but that needs an explantion even) people who want to make their fictional science fiction utopia real, but got so scared of their own science fiction ideas going wrong and killing everybody they started a cult around rationality, sort of a Vulcans fan club. They have a pattern where they think they and their methods are smarter and better than actual experts.

When trying to do their own research with an open mind, but they left their minds so open that all kinds of sexists and racists crawled in. Who are welcomed as long as they are verbose enough.

And to close it off, Musk is a fan.

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Their minds are open to all ideas, so long as the idea is a closed form solution that looks edgy.

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awful.systems

Yes, there is a certain yearning for 'secret forbidden' knowledge and contrarianism, but I tried to keep it short and simple. Almost never do they find a solution in anything in the left side of politics.

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Yeah that's totally fair, I just was tailgating the sneer I guess.

Almost never do they find a solution in anything in the left side of politics.

That's a good point, and I think it speaks well to their savior complex. They want above all to push the guilt and discomfort of social issues away so they don't have to live in the discomfort of reality. Dogma does this, and it really doesn't matter if you have the veneer of science or the mythology.

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awful.systems

was recently trying to explain to someone how The Games is the best Olympics memory I have

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request for admin input on how best to run a bracket without spamming up our microforum

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awful.systems

that’s a good question! I’ll probably have to brainstorm this with @[email protected] later today. in the meantime, is there any precedent for how to do it on Mastodon? we might be able to adopt whatever they do — or maybe at the very least, if there’s a good way to do it there, we could link to a Mastodon thread for the bracket and keep discussion on here.

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awful.systems

I mean, in the worst case, we find out if these database backups are worth a damn? but realistically, we see so much spam from activitypub already that it should be hard to make things fall over*

  • unless you know which parts to push on, then it’s instant
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it should be hard to make things fall over unless you know which parts to push on, then it’s instant

the IKEA model of software security

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