Well stop doing your part. Stop interacting with Reddit. They are almost certainly doing Place right now just to boost their numbers and you’re falling for it
Investors care about the potential for future growth and thus future increased profits. They don't give a shit about what a company is doing today, except to the extent it is predictive of the future. Investors look at this and see lots of activity of users who actively hate the company, that's not future growth.
To take an unfortunate example, imagine if Bud Light had a bump in sales because a bunch of right wing lunatics were buying extra just so they could make videos of them throwing away, shooting, blowing up, or otherwise destroying the beer while vowing never to drink it again. Does an investor look at that bump in sales and say "oh neat, look how well Bud Light is doing, I should invest!" or do they say "A lot of Bud Light's core consumer base is pissed as hell and probably not going to be buying this product in the future, there is limited potential for future growth, I'm out"?
They don't give a shit about what a company is doing today, except to the extent it is predictive of the future. Investors look at this and see lots of activity of users who actively hate the company, that's not future growth
Yes. And if you look at Reddit today, it's still alive and full of buzz.
The third-party app userbase was a small percentage of the site.
Most people are indifferent and so they keep using it.
There are magnitudes more OC on Reddit than Lemmy just by nature of their user base size. There are bots and reposts, sure, but Lemmy pales in comparison to the amount of OC on Reddit
You say investors see lots of active users who actively hate the site and don’t see future growth.
I think they see a lot of users who say they hate the site but despite that they still use the site and the numbers continue to grow. To me that sounds like a dependent user base that even through hard times continues to grow.
Yes, they ban moderators in the full knowledge in reducing the quality and well behavedness of users and to increase traffic by upset people. This is exactly what they want: upset people = engagement. This how Twitter works or maybe used to work, I didn't follow the recent changes too closely.
100% agree. I'm one of the April Knights that team up every April Fool's for the events. They are 4000% doing this to boost numbers. Fuck them entirely. I refuse to participate.
That being said, we need to have our own April Fools event. I wonder if anyone would be interested in this? If there is enough of it, I'll see if I can take on a new coding project.
R/place will increase their traffic no matter what. At least the picture can convey the protest message so they know we aren't going to move past it that easily. Plus, keeping r/place open all day is increasing their server costs while providing no ad revenue. I don't go to reddit other than to spread to good word of Lemmy and to downvote admins so I think that has more benefit to us than to them.
I don't think we are a minority at all. Look at any admin communication and all you see are complaints related to the changes. Also I think the protests actually are hurting moral at Reddit, and could potentially affect their IPO, but I'm mostly just enjoying a bit of schadenfreude from watching how poorly things can go for them. I know it won't affect their decisions in the end.
https://lemmy.world/post/1796444
I left the site, disappointed, because Reddit was great. I'm a transplant.
I understand why everyone is angry. It's a natural response, but after 2 months of this you'd think we'd have realized that there isn't much that can be done.
Reddit is going to aim to profit. There isn't much to it beyond that.
I think it would be beneficial if we get Lemmy exposure on there. Sure their numbers might go up but some people will leave knowing how shit the platform is.
I did stop interacting with Reddit, I only put one pixel in because there are still a lot of people there that haven't given up yet and this is their way of protesting.
Even if it's not the way I choose for myself, I still respect them for holding the ground.
This is my homage for those people.
Kid I've been on Lemmy way longer than you because I started searching for alternatives way before the whole thing blew up.
You silly guys that joined 1 month ago with your last minute righteousness can all line up and suck my balls , but before please take all those bull shit out of your mouth that's not really hygienic
Lmao oh this is a Lemmy seniority test now?? It’s a website haha. Mazel tov on you being here longer. You truly are worth praise for that. But if that makes you feel better and happy then I want you to have it :) who am I to take away your self worth?
Dude I know, it's like the 100th comment like this: I get it.
But stop being so invested in what you think is true and consider this: there are still a lot of people protesting reddit on reddit because they want to stay there and they don't like the direction it is going.
My grandfather used to say "we didn't beat the fascists by ignoring them: that's how they got the power in the first place". And while I'm a firm believer that boycotting is the best way of dealing with this sort of problems, I believe that sometime it's also efficient to scream "fuck you" to somebody's face.
Like 90% boycotting and 10% "fuck you" seems a good ratio.
Although comparing Reddit to fascists is ridiculous, your argument isn't quite right, either.
Reddit IS taking something very finite: people. There's only so many people in the world using this type of social media, and an overwhelming majority of them stick to one platform.
If Reddit just went belly up, Lemmy would have increased traffic.
Obviously this community has two valid, opposing viewpoints on this, but I’m with you. I just can’t imagine that the small amount of traffic generated by those actively protesting really amounts to big bucks or metrics for the site.
Meanwhile the ability to immortalize “fuck [the CEO]” on his own platform is probably pretty rare throughout human history.
I love that when somebody tries to explain their point of view, there's always a fucking smooth-brained, shirt-drooling piece of shit with zero self awareness that calls names and uses "SJW" improperly.
I was exposing my idea with an analogy, y'all are the SJWs, telling people what is right or wrong like you're all fucking Moses with the fucking stone tablets all the way up their asses and getting all riled up by the existence of a fucking meme. The level of hypocrisy you reached with less of 10 words is outstanding.
Just a reminder for anyone that wants to check up on r/place without giving Reddit your money, there are tons and tons of twitch streams that show how r/place currently looks.
If you aren’t actively helping create the “fuck spez” check our r/place without giving Reddit traffic.
I can't imagine it would be that hard for this to have been designed to ignore input from users that contributed to certain pixels, allowing them to control what shows up on Place.
The first r/place in 2017 was genuinely special. It was totally unique, and it was a really cool social experiment to see how people could collaborate. By the time the second one came out it was obvious the bots were out in full force. None of my individual contributions lasted long. I have zero interest in doing it again.
Well stop doing your part. Stop interacting with Reddit. They are almost certainly doing Place right now just to boost their numbers and you’re falling for it
Yeah, but in exchange for a brief flurry of engagement they have to put up with another wave of articles about angry reddit user protests:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/07/20/redditors-are-already-using-r-place-to-address-api-controversy/
“Oh no, anyways…”
Says the Reddit execs as they show off their numbers to VCs as they prepare for their IPO
Investors care about the potential for future growth and thus future increased profits. They don't give a shit about what a company is doing today, except to the extent it is predictive of the future. Investors look at this and see lots of activity of users who actively hate the company, that's not future growth.
To take an unfortunate example, imagine if Bud Light had a bump in sales because a bunch of right wing lunatics were buying extra just so they could make videos of them throwing away, shooting, blowing up, or otherwise destroying the beer while vowing never to drink it again. Does an investor look at that bump in sales and say "oh neat, look how well Bud Light is doing, I should invest!" or do they say "A lot of Bud Light's core consumer base is pissed as hell and probably not going to be buying this product in the future, there is limited potential for future growth, I'm out"?
Yes. And if you look at Reddit today, it's still alive and full of buzz.
The third-party app userbase was a small percentage of the site.
Most people are indifferent and so they keep using it.
it is legit nothing but bots and reposts. there's more oc here on Lemmy in my experience
There are magnitudes more OC on Reddit than Lemmy just by nature of their user base size. There are bots and reposts, sure, but Lemmy pales in comparison to the amount of OC on Reddit
There's actually plenty of user activity there.
Enough to make the outrage negligble.
You say investors see lots of active users who actively hate the site and don’t see future growth.
I think they see a lot of users who say they hate the site but despite that they still use the site and the numbers continue to grow. To me that sounds like a dependent user base that even through hard times continues to grow.
People hate CEOs but can be so dumb...
Do you think those VC vultures are looking at those numbers in a vacuum? I highly doubt it.
I think VCs are idiots… so yes.
They don't care. You're not even bed bugs to these people. You're just the siren that's heard 20 blocks away downtown at 10 pm.
No biggie. Par of the course.
The black hole? Do your homework, it's the void.
Btw. Why just "fuckspez" the Lemmy mascot would be better.
Yes, they ban moderators in the full knowledge in reducing the quality and well behavedness of users and to increase traffic by upset people. This is exactly what they want: upset people = engagement. This how Twitter works or maybe used to work, I didn't follow the recent changes too closely.
100% agree. I'm one of the April Knights that team up every April Fool's for the events. They are 4000% doing this to boost numbers. Fuck them entirely. I refuse to participate.
That being said, we need to have our own April Fools event. I wonder if anyone would be interested in this? If there is enough of it, I'll see if I can take on a new coding project.
I have no idea what you’re talking about but that sounds like a great idea
R/place will increase their traffic no matter what. At least the picture can convey the protest message so they know we aren't going to move past it that easily. Plus, keeping r/place open all day is increasing their server costs while providing no ad revenue. I don't go to reddit other than to spread to good word of Lemmy and to downvote admins so I think that has more benefit to us than to them.
As if that means anything to them?
You're a minority.
Reddit admins ABSOLUTELY RUINED by frequent EXPLETIVES and DOWNVOTES
I don't think we are a minority at all. Look at any admin communication and all you see are complaints related to the changes. Also I think the protests actually are hurting moral at Reddit, and could potentially affect their IPO, but I'm mostly just enjoying a bit of schadenfreude from watching how poorly things can go for them. I know it won't affect their decisions in the end. https://lemmy.world/post/1796444
If you think their individual contribution there doesn't matter, why do you think their individual contribution leaving the site matters.
We're always a minority.
I don't think it matters.
I left the site, disappointed, because Reddit was great. I'm a transplant.
I understand why everyone is angry. It's a natural response, but after 2 months of this you'd think we'd have realized that there isn't much that can be done.
Reddit is going to aim to profit. There isn't much to it beyond that.
or write 'join lemmy' so you take away the numbers in the long run
I think it would be beneficial if we get Lemmy exposure on there. Sure their numbers might go up but some people will leave knowing how shit the platform is.
I guess a better marketing ploy would have been
A good rhyme and well-justified text can do a lot of hard work.
Speak for yourself
I did stop interacting with Reddit, I only put one pixel in because there are still a lot of people there that haven't given up yet and this is their way of protesting.
Even if it's not the way I choose for myself, I still respect them for holding the ground.
This is my homage for those people.
You're addicted and use this crap to rationalise it.
Scientific diagnosis
One doesn’t need to be a scientist to see that you are incapable of leaving Reddit. Look at all your justifications for staying.
Kid I've been on Lemmy way longer than you because I started searching for alternatives way before the whole thing blew up.
You silly guys that joined 1 month ago with your last minute righteousness can all line up and suck my balls , but before please take all those bull shit out of your mouth that's not really hygienic
Lmao oh this is a Lemmy seniority test now?? It’s a website haha. Mazel tov on you being here longer. You truly are worth praise for that. But if that makes you feel better and happy then I want you to have it :) who am I to take away your self worth?
Do your part by not getting baited into reddit my friend. You are providing revenue to them by doing so.
Dude I know, it's like the 100th comment like this: I get it.
But stop being so invested in what you think is true and consider this: there are still a lot of people protesting reddit on reddit because they want to stay there and they don't like the direction it is going.
My grandfather used to say "we didn't beat the fascists by ignoring them: that's how they got the power in the first place". And while I'm a firm believer that boycotting is the best way of dealing with this sort of problems, I believe that sometime it's also efficient to scream "fuck you" to somebody's face.
Like 90% boycotting and 10% "fuck you" seems a good ratio.
[Gets down from the soap box]
Only (lol) difference is the Nazis were talking something finite (land, resources, freedom).
Reddit is ephemeral, if no one went there it wouldn't "hurt" anyone
Although comparing Reddit to fascists is ridiculous, your argument isn't quite right, either.
Reddit IS taking something very finite: people. There's only so many people in the world using this type of social media, and an overwhelming majority of them stick to one platform.
If Reddit just went belly up, Lemmy would have increased traffic.
Obviously this community has two valid, opposing viewpoints on this, but I’m with you. I just can’t imagine that the small amount of traffic generated by those actively protesting really amounts to big bucks or metrics for the site.
Meanwhile the ability to immortalize “fuck [the CEO]” on his own platform is probably pretty rare throughout human history.
Ah yes, here we go, comparing changing the color in some pixel to someone risking his life and that of his family.
have you read everything or just stopped at that point you limp pineal gland mindcluttered sealion?
I did and I'm not getting why you're so upset confused fish sounds
Not remotely equivalent. Get a grip keyboard SJW dumbass.
I love that when somebody tries to explain their point of view, there's always a fucking smooth-brained, shirt-drooling piece of shit with zero self awareness that calls names and uses "SJW" improperly.
I was exposing my idea with an analogy, y'all are the SJWs, telling people what is right or wrong like you're all fucking Moses with the fucking stone tablets all the way up their asses and getting all riled up by the existence of a fucking meme. The level of hypocrisy you reached with less of 10 words is outstanding.
Not my fault you're a dumb twat.
LoL
Just a reminder for anyone that wants to check up on r/place without giving Reddit your money, there are tons and tons of twitch streams that show how r/place currently looks.
If you aren’t actively helping create the “fuck spez” check our r/place without giving Reddit traffic.
a random one: https://www.twitch.tv/streamhubpro
Honestly y’all are just bragging about how dumb y’all are at this point.
“I’m gonna protest a website I hate by giving them more traffic! That will show them”
Do y’all pay grifters your money to spite them too?
"I'm gonna disagree with a meme by commenting over and over so it will stay relevant for days"
You guys can't even follow your own logic
Did my one comment multiply when I wasn’t looking?
Who is you guys? I’m one person haha. You’re completely unhinged mate.
Dude don't take the bait, this is Internet 101
Your comments have doubled since he left his comment, so yes.
STFU about that POS website.
Make me!
[puts the dukes up in a cartoonish stance]
I'll just enjoy the fun from the comfort of whoever reposts it on Lemmy.
Looks like they won't publish a timelapse video after it's all over like last year.
Someone will
Anything else of note so far? How big is the "Fuck spez" section relative to the whole canvas?
Also how long until admins "fix" it, I wonder...
dont think they will do that, they arent suicidal
They did it and banned people for drawing boobies last time, soo…
They have censored things in the past—you can see when an admin places pixels.
Unless they fixed that. Which I highly doubt, they can't even fix their search function.
I can't imagine it would be that hard for this to have been designed to ignore input from users that contributed to certain pixels, allowing them to control what shows up on Place.
Wait wait wait Reddit is going r/place right now??? Why on earth would they do that
Probably because it’s historically generated a ton of traffic and they’re trying to fluff up their numbers to hide the aftermath of their mistakes.
Bingo. This is ragebait for financial gain.
100% for traffic/numbers to show investors and advertising companies. Don’t give them the satisfaction, it’s better to stay away.
I heard it was planned for 23. June, but postponed because of the protests
Where were you six years ago
WHERE WAS GONDOR WHEN THE WESTFOLD FELL?!
Where now are the horse and the rider?
Where is the horn that was blowing?
Indeed xD
Boy am I glad we don't have that nonsense on lemmy. Why people care about that garbage is beyond me.
It was cool the first time.
Now it just feels desperate
The first r/place in 2017 was genuinely special. It was totally unique, and it was a really cool social experiment to see how people could collaborate. By the time the second one came out it was obvious the bots were out in full force. None of my individual contributions lasted long. I have zero interest in doing it again.
Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Keep up the good work!
This whole situation feels like the wotc strike, Laziness wins and the corporate god doesn't have to deal with consequences
Hard at work on the K at your 10 o'clock soldier! o7
If you really wanted to make him mad you'd have left the damn thing blank.
These are just adding threads to his golden parachute.
I'm currently working on advertising for r/EndFPTP
I downloaded the app specifically just to help, and I'll delete it when I'm done.
I figure taking down the duopoly is more important than taking down Reddit for a day.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EndFPTP/comments/154kix3/rplace_returns_in_5_hours_we_must_create_a_spot/
There should be a remake of the Star Trek William Shatner SNL skit that replaces Trekkies with Redditors
The state of Lemmy right now: