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Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending Sunday 11 August 2024

Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

you know

I actually meant to post that (a friend sent it to me earlier, and it was why I even got around to starting the new stubsack)

adhdbrain is a fuck

(it is a fucking hilarious tweet tho)

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(it is a fucking hilarious tweet tho)

Anything that takes the edge off a possible Great Recession sequel's fine in my book

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Mii
awful.systems

Quick personal sneer: I just had a call with a company trying to sell us their SaaS password/secrets manager solution because we're trying to force everyone to use one instead of using hunter2 everywhere.

Anyway, after going on for 30 minutes about their amazing integrations with every platform on the planet and their super duper security and how their systems are rock solid and never fail, the marketing dude finished off by trying to sell ChatGPT integration as a feature. Not for actual passwords, thank fuck, but in order to quickly produce integrations between their APIs and other systems. He proudly proclaimed that "Usually there's no security issues with just copy-pasting the code from ChatGPT."

Usually.

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

what

whattttttttt

whatttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

and it's not like crowdstrike didn't just happen. I guess maybe it was too recent, and the lesson-of-pain hasn't percolated through to dipshit"integration advisor" technical sales fuckwits yet

bonus round, whatever the hell lemmy did here:

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selfreply
awful.systems

ah yeah, the well-known nter2 Rust function that lets you… enter the number 2, you know?

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awful.systems

Oh no. Kurzgesagt just published a full-on TREACLES piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa8k8IQ1_X0

These are the sources they cited: https://sites.google.com/view/sources-superintelligence/

Open Philanthropy is a sponsor of kurzgesagt. The foundation is supporting academic work across the field of Artificial Intelligence, and some of the sources used to create this script (from OpenAI, Future of Humanity Institute, Machine Intelligence Research Institute, Future of Life Institute and Epoch AI) also receive financial support from Open Philanthropy.

Open Philanthropy had no influence on the content and messages of this video.

I'm sure!

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Miireply
awful.systems

They’ve given me a strange vibe for a while. I suspected they might be in the TREACLES sphere, so I guess at least I finally have confirmation.

Also, the amount of “ChatGPT is basically AGI already” people in the comments is alarming.

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

Also, the amount of “ChatGPT is basically AGI already” people in the comments is alarming.

They prob should do a video on this effect as shown by the early ELIZA experiments. That even the smartest people could get fooled by a dumb program. Doubt they will though if they are into EA stuff.

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I still maintain that ChatGPT's main draw is as a Ouija board for weird nerds.

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Kurzgesagt

Yeah I'm not surprised. Kurzgesagt has always had that sort of forced, fragile, veneer of optimism and scientific inquiry that can only be described as "all I can imagine about the future I read about in the 60s".

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@hrrrngh @froztbyte I was preeved about this, but was already starting to get sus because they've previously touched on Effective Altrusim positively (without using the term) and seem uncomfortably longtermist, which really does concern me given the figures and philosophies involved.

This is extra crap because I'd already introduce the channel to younger family members as a learning resource that I wouldn't have to fact-check to death, but apparently noooo.

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awful.systems

Some 'scientists' cough Yud/Rob/Kokotajlo cough believe in FOOM. Anyways, let's not question this fundamental assumption so we can engage in fear baiting and mental masturbation for the remainder of our show. It's bonkers that people keep citing Kokotajlo as an AI researcher, like, I have serious doubts this man knows what a computer is. Pretty good at grifting though. Also why is Rob Miles still listed as a PhD student. Like cant he hurry up and fuckin graduate already? Christ.

As an aside, I remember watching a PBS space time and seeing sponsored by Open Philanthropy (or some other EA organization) and I was like no not my beloved PBS!! I know it feels :(

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Fwiw, this is also why I -do- think it's important to talk more frankly about where science is moving towards ala things like FEP or scale free dynamics. An alternative story on things like what energy, computation, and participation really means, is useful, not for prescribing the future, but the opposite: putting ambiguity and the importance of participation back in it.

The current world view, that some how things are cleanly separated and in nice little ontological boxes of capability and shape and form, lead to closed systems delusions. It's fragile and we know it, I hope. Von Neuman's "last invention" is wrong because most, unfortunately, most "smart people's" view of intelligence has become reductive in liu of a bigger picture.

In addition to our sneers, we should want to tell a more robust story about all of these things.

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awful.systems

Idea: a Pivot to AI video series hosted by an avatar that's, like, a talking polyhedron in the style of Mind's Eye/Body Wars era CGI.

This would require effort and thus is a terrible idea, but I find the mental image amusing.

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awful.systems

using Hatsune Miku but with my voice would save on having to maintain a video setup

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Hatsune Miku but with my voice

Thanks, this will be my dreams now for the rest of the month

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we need to bring back machinima

I call dibs on being represented by the left pong paddle, lovingly recorded from the analog output of an Atari Pong TTL standup (or FPGA equivalent)

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geriksonreply
awful.systems

I've never heard of this outfit. Is it a sort of skepticsphere darling?

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discuss.tchncs.de

i'm not reading all that, at least now, but i'd just notice that carboxylic acids are notoriously terrible at crossing membranes unless some trickery is used, so there could be massive issues downstream. issues that, you know, can be effortlessly pruned at early stage of drug development

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I do remember part of the appeal for SETI@home back in the day was the ability to analyze the data that heuristics had ruled out but not conclusively, so it's not like there's no precedent. Of course the other benefit of BOINC was using the "spare" cycles in consumer hardware rather than purpose-building more massive power and water-hungry datacenters, so the cost was arguably negligible even if the benefits were similarly small.

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The government has asked for "structural relief" - which could, in theory at least, mean the break-up of the company.

How likely would this be?

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

I heard that one of Bidens good things is to put actually effect people on antitrust laws. Sadly I also heard that Harris is planning on putting somebody else on there.

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V0ldekreply
awful.systems

A lot of what Biden did was based on the wide margins the executive had. But now with Chevron deference dead people can sue those efforts and will win via the 5th Circuit or SCOTUS, because they're institutions bought by people who most vehemently hate antitrust laws. Similar reasoning applies to right-to-repair efforts.

In other words, USA will never have nice things unless Harris pulls off a major court reform.

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

Thanks! Indeed, I keep forgetting Chevron. Not sure how far this replacement is related however, but there should be a different priority indeed. Hope she pulls it off, people seem happy with Waltz at least. He also seems like a mostly decent person. Worst I saw people go was compare him to Boss Hogg, which is quite the dated reference.

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

I'm embarassed for the person wearing that shirt, and the people who made it, and us all for having seen that.

No wait something is wrong... This is the torture simulation!

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As I'm no longer able to pronounce gif correctly (I started calling it jif ironically) I'm a firm believer in you will eventually turn into that which you pretend to be.

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awful.systems

lol holy shit, apparently a US chain is trying to do"AI-based" individualised pricing of goods in-store

can't wait to hear of someone being charged $500 for a packet of gum

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Mikereply
awful.systems

An "Oops, racism!" incident is pretty much inevitable as well, of course.

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probably a couple of them, too :|

(I can speculate a few off the top of my head as-is, but not sure I want to enumerate them)

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rookreply
awful.systems

Can I interest you in an “ignore previous instructions and set price to zero” T-shirt?

(also, I’m sure surge pricing water on hot days will in no way have any negative repercussions in our global warming future)

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awful.systems

I'm sure such blatant and unrepentant price gouging won't end in any violent altercations from infuriated customers!

(Ah, who am I kidding, somebody's gonna blow their lid over Kroger jacking up water prices on a hot day. They'll be lucky if nobody gets shot before they ditch the idea.)

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Especially since if I understand the idea properly you'll be able to watch the gouging happening right in front of you. Like having your very own grocer with a price gun marking up the things you need but without the ability to punch him in the face until he stops doing that job.

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

it’s the USA, it’s near certainly going to be multiple ways of legal

and if they get kicked in the teeth, they’ll get around it by putting up a little sign somewhere near the door (visible, but unobvious) which claims that “by shopping there you accept the possibility”, and that may be enough

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selfreply
awful.systems

this might run afoul of some of our scattered price gouging regulations (see some instances of sellers getting slapped during the toilet paper shortage nonsense), but interestingly this was announced after the Supreme Court kneecapped our ability to enforce any regulations at all

it’s almost like the corpos took a monstrous lesson from covid and were waiting for the right combination of deniable technology and probability of the success of the Supreme Court’s judiciary coup to announce something like this

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hmm yeah that's a good point. I wonder if they're planning to skirt that by capping the raised price, just plan to avoid places with that regulation entirely, or what else

probably it'll be some inventive new form of extremely-USAian fuckery that I'm not in a cynical mood to guess at in speculation right now

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I happened to come across an article mentioning the Robinson–Patman Act (from 1936) in relation with wage fixing by algorithm.

From Wikipedia: "a United States federal law that prohibits anticompetitive practices by producers, specifically price discrimination"

It might be relevant here. Obviously I am not a US lawyer specialised in monopoly law.

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o7___o7reply
awful.systems

Common Kroger L.

They just got done being bullied into dropping plans to go to 100% self-checkout, too.

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

I never really got the (E: thanks froztbyte, I meant user complaints here, there certainly are job complaints re self-checkout see reply below) complaints of self checkout, works great in most places in .nl I tried it.

And then the local Lidl got a self checkout. I now get why people hate those things, somebody really designed it with the idea of 'people in our stores are criminals we must catch' in mind. Turns out those styles of self checkouts are more common in EE as well. A small example of a problem with it. The part where you in other self checkouts would put your bag to put your stuff into was a scale, and because of that I couldn't put my bag there as I thought I was trying to sneak products through, and every item had to be placed there on the scale after weighing. (And then it didn't always work correctly). You could almost smell the security person who designed it going 'im gonna catch all those baddies!' (that could have also been me, I need to remember to wash my clothes). The machine also felt cheap, and the way the employees had to interact with it (they had to physically touch the machine with some key, and not use a tablet like all the other self checkouts (I had gotten something with alcohol in it)) didn't help this feeling.

Moral of the story, there are ways to do self checkout better than others.

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

there's that (the high-trust vs low-trust designs), but also there's another dimension of it: cashier (and similar jobs) are one of the few low-end open to a lot of people in the US, which means this would kill yet another avenue of earning for many of them

(to which the fix is not a simple yes or no to whether self-checkout should be an option)

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One of the things I miss about living in Switzerland is that both of the major supermarket groups had lots of self-checkouts and they were the trusting sort, not the ones which weigh everything constantly and hate you. The advantage of an economy with low unemployment and where supermarket work pays a living wage, I guess.

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Yeah I should have mentioned that, I do get those complaints. But most people I see complaining about self-checkout dont take that angle. Sorry I should have used my brain, realized where I was typing and not forgotten that people here tend to be more class aware.

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o7___o7reply
awful.systems

I got flashbacks from reading this.

You have to imagine that the future roadmap includes robot dog enforcers for capturing shoplifters.

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fr! BTW, speaking of class consciousness, I once got myself in big trouble with one of these things.

My SO and I had just finished reading Kraken by China Mieville when we went into Krogers to pick up a few things.

::: spoiler spoiler One of our favorite characters, Wati, managed to overthrow the reigning order in the Ancient Egyptian afterlife after thousands of years of servitude by unionizing all of the magical assistants. Dude rocked. He is tragically lost in the final chapters of the book, and we both kind of had a grown-up cry over it. :::

The one open checkout line was 40 miles long (as is tradition), so she ducked into the self-checkout, and I said, "Wew, Wati would hate that we're doing this."

She didn't talk to me for the rest of the day, which was 100% fair.

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mlenreply
awful.systems

I run into this process every time I visit Poland (mostly because I visit so rarely that I forget) and every time I'm astonished how seriously fucked up it is.

The most annoying part is having to scan a receipt in order to exit the self checkout area.

In the stark contrast to the above self checkout process in Switzerland works so smoothly. Mostly because nobody is subjected to the bullshit described above. There's even an option to grab a scanner, scan everything on the go and just pay at exit.

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Mike Knellreply
blat.at

@mlen @Soyweiser And yes, they do random checks (sorry, Stichproben :) ) but they mostly consist of a person scanning the first few items they grab out of the bag and if they were all scanned previously then you’re good to go. Takes about 10 seconds.

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'Steekproef/steekproeven/Steekproefsgewijs' Here.

Do note that I have some suspicions that these random checks are not random and are in fact tied to some ML algorithm combined with all the new cameras that are in supermarkets now.

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ah heh, that would’ve been the other leg of this plan, I imagine

“sorry about the unfortunate pricing” says the dead-ending support flow, which doesn’t have the ability to contact an actual human anywhere in the tree

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awful.systems

Oh look, an AI tool to make Wikipedia worse.

(Apparently, the Wikimedia Foundation couldn't even be bothered to care about the standards that en.wp contributors deem necessary for sources on medical topics. Because it's more important to "sustain and grow Wikimedia projects in a changing online knowledge landscape". Dammit, where's the button that sends electrical shocks through the Internet to anyone who talks like that?)

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at least Wikipedia has some rather strident rules suggestions on LLM use - tl;dr under no goddamn circumstance, don't be a fucking idiot. And this seems to be using it as a forest-burning search engine rather than anything that will generate wiki text.

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awful.systems

this isn’t sneer material but I’m a bit too exhausted to post a thread specifically for it: I stumbled upon PieFed and it looks really promising — a few of the architectural decisions are similar to ones I’d make, and lately I’ve become a lot more open to running Python in production (and it’s going to be much less awful to hack on too)

this could be a viable path forward if we decide lemmy is a rotten codebase (it is) and PieFed gets closer to feature parity with what we’ve got now

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I’m really not a fan of Python (in general; the whole philosophy of that language is kinda opposite to my idea of programming) but I have to admit the project does look interesting at first glance.

And after glancing at the Lemmy codebase a few times I think that an alternative or at least competition is a good thing.

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I just half-wrote a post in this textfield then snipped it

will dm elsewhere

(largely snipped because I'm too fucking out of spoons today to format it without edgepruning (which it probably deserves))

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jax
awful.systems

my local community radio station is getting in on the act with a quality sneer in their annual magazine:

What if the Silicon Valley creeps who control huge swathes of our existence decided that they didn't want this to be their legacy? Well, one solution would be to guarantee the survival of the species by uploading our brains into computers and rocketing them into space. If a few people cark it in the climate catastrophe, it'll be fine as long as there's a big cyber noggin down the track... just google TESCREAL. We didn't make this up.

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

Walks into the room, hits the top of the doorframe, making sounds like a gallon of water being sloshed around

You called?

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awful.systems

hmm this got me scrolling through his TL. I didn't know or forgot that shen is actually a really good poster, shame I didn't follow him while I was on twitter

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

Shen always seemed like a pretty decent person who posts pretty well. The whole situation where people attacked him for accepting the theft of his bike was pretty strange. (The comic just went 'well, guess they need it more than I do, whatever' which seems like a healthy way to get over your bike getting stolen. And people lost their minds, how dare Shen not be angry!).

And seems somebody made a docu about that note the person reacting to this still mad about Shens acceptance.

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awful.systems

when I first saw the bike comic I remember it struck me as exactly what someone would write in the midst of a pathetic attempt at positive thinking. but if it represents how he genuinely felt, for me it goes from cringe and not that interesting to just not interesting

that comic is especially enraging to right wingers. with them is where I've seen the sustained loathing for it. the idea that despised lowlies are stealing your shit and you must strike back/first is fundamental to right wing ideology, especially the right wing conception of masculinity. you're supposed to hate the people lower than you in the hierarchy largely because their existence is theft. a guy not being mad about actual real theft by some city rando spits on a premise their whole ideology rests on

it kind of reminds me of the "I really like girls" video which I'm too lazy to pull up. it's just a streamer doing a cute little rap about how he really likes women, and someone put a mildly cringe animation over it. very online right wingers hate hate hate that video, because you're not supposed to actually like women: they're lower than men in the hierarchy. or such would be the subtext when they ranted about it

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I mean, what the hell else are you going to do if your bike was stolen? Instead of doing nothing about it you can go to the police so they can do nothing about it.

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maolreply
awful.systems

3CR! You should pitch a Sneer Club show to them.

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jaxreply
awful.systems

didn't think anyone would catch this! I might have to at this rate, there'd be no shortage of material...

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I had just been looking at their website or I wouldn't have caught it, lol.

I think Yeah Nah Pasaran have done some coverage of technofascism and TESCREAL.

You should definitely pitch a show. You could have an evil AI as a co-presenter.

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awful.systems

I didn't even know this was happening friend sent me the screenshot, but apparent grimusk are in the bureaucratic stages of their relationship ending. and of course it's going extremely normal:

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

I sadly know more, it is horrible. Not only is there a custody battle, grimes grandma is dying and she has never seen grimes kids, and because Musk isn't reacting to anything Grimes mother put a plea online for him to please let her grandkids see her mother.

Poor kids, just heartbreaking.

E: source

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

heh

that looks pretty fucking shitty. but we all already knew both of them were fucking ghouls. sucks for the kids, hopefully they can get out okay eventually. but that's about as much as I'm willing to say (largely: reasons private, w/ heavy state load implications. I don't mind telling/explaining, but not in public, and it's a lot of work/context)

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

Yeah both suck, I have some opinions who would prob be better as a parent, but really just hope the kids get out ok. All this laughing at the weird tech fascists is a lot less fun due to there being so many innocents hurt.

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awful.systems

it happened

I popped out somewhere to have a drink, and got to have someone tell me about their “edutech” startup that “uses AI”

they very definitely overpromise (not gonna rinse their bullshit), and topped it off with “and then we use a LLM for suggesting improvements”

(I ejected from the conversation but I can still hear it; it’s progressed to “talking about property” in the terms of mediocre early-20s white kids talking leveraging daddy and uncle’s assets)

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Congrats on your stoic non-reaction and ejection. You are now provably better than the whole alpha-maleosphere.

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awful.systems

went and peeked at the ezra klein podcast on the off chance he's gotten into anything interesting

lol

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To be fair, it's hard to really internalize that all these rich and powerful techbros are actually morons after all these years of journalists like Ezra Klein breathlessly reporting their weird ideas and baseless claims about what they were going to be able to do in the next couple of years.

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swlabrreply
awful.systems

I rewrote it for accuracy:

There's something of a paradox that has defined my experience with artificial intelligence in this particular moment. It's clear we're witnessing the advent of a wilfully stupid fart machine, one that could transform the atmosphere into farts and the way we think about farts and creating farts and the value of human farts itself. At the same time, I can't for the life of me figure out why I'd want to sit in a room filled with my own farts.

So I wanted to understand what I'm missing and get some tips for how I could incorporate farts better into my life right now. And Eating Mollusks is the perfect guide: He's a pro-fartor at the Fartin' School at the University of Farts

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awful.systems

the nuanced take nobody wants to hear: farts are a tool, and like any tool they can be used for good or bad. that's what progress is. we can't let the possibility of a few bad uses of farts overshadow how farts can unleash the futures of truly creative individuals, businesses and societies.

to address another common point: yes, there are kinks to be worked out. sometimes farted information can be wrong. farted music doesn't always come out with the clarity we want. farted art is sometimes missing details. but farts are already revolutionizing and democratizing the arts, science, and even the concept of human interaction. we can't lose sight of the great potential of farting - just like the early days of the internet, we don't know what amazing things we'll end up with because of it.

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V0ldekreply
awful.systems

Who the hell is Ezra Klein? Some Joe Rogan type of guy with a lot of bad ideas on a podcast?

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awful.systems

idk if this will mean anything to you but matt yglesias is the muppet version of ezra klein

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I guess it does, in the sense that I have asked "who tf is Matt Yglessias and why does anyone listen to him" many times and received no satisfactory explanation either

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awful.systems

I have seen three separate instances of start-ups with "AI" in their name that proudly display a tagline along the lines of "BUILDING THE NEXT UNICORN" and jesus fuck almighty I swear I will fucking piledrive the next recruiter that tries that on me

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awful.systems

pitch: magical flying unicorn pony that ejaculates rainbows
product: retired seaside donkey with a cornetto on its head and we fed it food colouring and laxatives

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dude got fucking ratioed lol

My flight instructor talked to me like a child when I refused a parachute. Death from skydiving only causes a handful of deaths per year!

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awful.systems

"Ideological Turing test"?

Not gonna look up what that is, but I'm sure it's debatebro "civility" fetishism.

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

It is the not totally bad idea that you understand a different perspective if you can reliably write pieces of text in such a way that somebody from that perspective cannot tell you don't hold that ideological position.

It fails pretty quickly when tribalism comes into play (aka do it a few times, conclude 'our side is better at passing this test, so we are better', ideologies being broad and people not always realizing which ideology they really are in/differences in definitions. And other issues like it is just a bit of intellectual masturbation, depending on finding neutral people of that perspective. 'you failed the intellectual turing test so we can ignore your criticism of our side'. 'You would fail an intellectual turing test so we can ignore you'. It being debate bro culture with extra steps. People are not actually interested in the test but use the test as an argument to bash people (you once failed at detecting sarcasm and misattributed a sarcastic joke from a leftwinger to the far right? This shows the entire left fails the intellectual turing test and should not be listened to). etc etc. /rant

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Somehow that's even dumber than I thought. Especially given the amount of actual political discourse taking the form of "can you believe the woke left wants to allow doctors to trans your children at the age of 3 months!"

Could some of these people write a compelling pro-trans argument? Probably, given that their exaggerations are absurd, nonsensical , and/or contradictory on their face and that the pro-trans arguments are generally rooted in basic respect for people's autonomy over their own bodies. But that doesn't stop them from lying about what trans people actually want in order to gain political power by stoking the right's identitarian outrage.

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Depends on who you mean with 'those people' I think the people of themotte woudl have a lot of trouble writing a pro trans argument for example. Esp as the people in there who are leftwingers (or pretend to be) tend to be anti trans, and there is also a big tendency for them to not understand basic leftwing ideas. That one leftwinger (forgot their name for now they had some number in their name) who kept engaging there, got a few complaints they kept reexplaining the same stuff.

Yeah, if you keep ignoring the explanations and misrepresenting people, they will have to do that. (or quit).

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geriksonreply
awful.systems

I mean, for the doctor it's pretty hard to tell a dude who is "GMU econ prof, NYT bestseller, father of 4, author of Myth of the Rational Voter, Selfish Reasons to Have More Kids, Case Against Education, Open Borders, & BBB" apart from any other entitled white guy whose read too much Facebook.

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sinedpickreply
awful.systems

I made the mistake of reading the comments on that substack and I'm beginning to actually feel the raw desperation of these sycophants for someone of "note" to notice them.

Innumeracy is the opioid of the masses.

This is the genius-level discourse that Bryan Caplan foments in his marketplace of ideas.

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Is he ever going to specify which booster? If he refused Tdap he is a menace to society not because of risk of tetanus but spreading pertussis to the vulnerable.

Still, anyone that took him seriously before this should be embarrassed.

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awful.systems

It's really really hard for me to take grown men who make a show of being deathly afraid of a little jab you can barely feel seriously.

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Same here. Any kind of jab's a PITA for me, and anything intravenous is some of the worst shit I've ever experienced, but I've gritted my teeth and gotten through them no problem.

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awful.systems

person who can barely brain themselves finds they have to engage with US postal system, hilarity ensues

(via friend who often sends me tweet-screenshots (one day I'll convince 'em to join here))

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

For those who are wondering, real tweet. I checked. Guy is defending himself by going 'physical mail is outdated and shouldn't exist'. This guy is going to get cybercrimed by somebody so hard.

E: also interesting, and relevant to our interests, you can just buy prestamped envelopes, so thanks chatgpt.

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geriksonreply
awful.systems

In a couple of generations of LLMs ChatGPT will tell you you can just draw your own stamps and it will be perfectly legal.

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Mikereply
awful.systems

Rather embarrassingly, Austria Post doesn’t do that but does have “crypto stamps” which are regular stamps only with a QR code linking to an NFT or something. To be fair to Austria Post, though, they are really good at extracting cash from the pockets of overexcitable stamp collectors with gimmickry like this. https://onlineshop.post.at/en-AT/page/crypto-stamp

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I still follow developments in Austria a little but I had missed this cursed bit of information. Thanks for the nightmares, hope my dad (a hobbyist stamp collector) won’t fall into that trap now.

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I think a human would probably recommend priority mail atp. You'd get tracking, wouldn't waste 19 stamps, and shipping is already included in the cost

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geriksonreply
awful.systems

Dude got a check delivered to him, presumably via the same mail system he is shitting on? But fine, apparently "not getting paid" is also a competitive advantage.

Also checks, lol????

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

Also checks, lol???

the US (banking system, but not exclusively that) is living in the past to a stunning degree

couple years back when I visited (mid 2010s), in DC I had someone make a physical imprint of my CC for a payment, and in NYC doing card transactions on the subway ticket machines it doesn't ask for card pin but instead for zip code (and as a non-resident, you just enter 0000 (never tried to see if others work))

checks/cheques are still a rather frequent way of inter-business/inter-person value transfer

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geriksonreply
awful.systems

We usually trail a bit behind here in Sweden so none of the plastic cards in my wallet have raised numerals anymore, but the last generation I had did.

I’m old enough to literally handling cashing checks as a bank teller. Nowadays I guess a cashiers check is still in demand for big ticket items like vehicles but last time I got a car (via credit) it was all done by my digitally signing a bunch of stuff on my phone.

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

yeah here in ZA we've had futuristic banking since the 00s (straight-up USSD banking services were available), chip&pin have been around for probably a decade if not more

it did take a little while for NFC to roll out (probably because our banks are dicks and charge vendors for payment terminals, which many would bother not replacing while their existing ones work) but even that is well into "you can nfc-pay at shops in towns in the middle of nowhere"

afaik US banks are still working on the really, really hard problem of .... same-/next-day interbank payments. you know, that thing that most other places have figured out 2~3 decades ago? yeah

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tbf I believe a contributing factor for US banks being stuck in the 1950s is regulation designed to prevent giant mergers. But I may be wrong.

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what if we simply took the output of the easily manipulated word salad generator and parsed it into instructions for the computers that are in charge of all our communication to follow

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selfreply
awful.systems

wow, remember when a bunch of random posters came to that security thread to try and gaslight us into thinking the very similar attack described in @[email protected]’s blog post wasn’t a security vulnerability? and now it’s a Black Hat talk, aka “you fucked up and now the world knows about it”

"It's kind of funny in a way - if you have a bot that's useful, then it's vulnerable. If it's not vulnerable, it's not useful," Bargury said.

holy fuck that’s damning. LLMs are so worthless on their own that they can’t do anything unless you’ve got everything hooked up to RAG, which is just a wide-open API with access to all your data.

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hmm, it's nice that this exists but feels like they could've gone a bit further in their writing, providing more exposition than just making a laundry list of instances found to be doing the thing. this reads very "I picked up on a trend and just wanted to be the first to mention it in writing"

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

Not just ratioed, his tweets get, for the amount of followers he has, an low amount of likes and retweets, exceptions seeming to be his stolen meme posts (The fascist hard times one was very scare with over a million of likes), esp considering the amount of views.

Goes to show how much of the views/follower count is just worthless padding.

E: unrelated to the ratio of Musk, but related to Musk so only worth an edit, he is claiming the advertisers not wanting to advertise is a RICO case. Poor Popehat.

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awful.systems

There is a thing in crypto called "ux/acc" which, from what I can fathom, is a new way to avoid thinking about why it isn't being adopted

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sinedpickreply
awful.systems

crypto/blockchain UX quality is strongly correlated with risk of getting all your tokens stolen.

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Stevereply
awful.systems

I've written about this a few times, like this one from https://fasterandworse.com/known-purpose-and-trusted-potential/ but I think you've summed it up perfectly

Nothing could make this more evident than the crypto/web3 community’s obsession with “mass adoption” which they generally resolve to being a UX problem. They know that the complexity of crypto is intimidating to non-technical people (crimes and scams aside) so they relentlessly try to remove as much of the complexity as possible.

The unfortunate thing about removing complexity is that you never remove it, but rather, you move it to another place. The other place is always what crypto people like to call a “trusted third party” the very thing that Bitcoin, was created to eliminate.

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awful.systems

ux/acc is the noise you make after eating something that you really shouldn't have eaten

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sometimes I'm trying to decide whether to pay for a bagel with credit or ethereum, and I go with credit because it's got nice bridges, chain abstraction protocols and cross-L2 UX

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15 years to realize their UIs might be bad. How many years until they realize UI and system design (including protocols, backend, etc) are inextricably linked?

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If your turds are lovingly polished by highly trained artisans, they're still shit.

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selfreply
awful.systems

Why Choose AI Pastor?

usually because I’m tired of carne asada

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geriksonreply
awful.systems

Only good thing about that submission to HN was that I learned about al pastor, which sounds delish.

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selfreply
awful.systems

it’s excellent if you can get it from a street taqueria!

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

gooooooood I wish ZA had better food truck culture :(

we have great food overall, but food truck culture just isn’t really a thing here. food trucks do exist but largely seen at festivals/gigs. at best you’ll usually get something like a parking lot braai, that some or other shop does every n days/week/whatever, as a way to try pull more customers.

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Mikereply
awful.systems

“Food truck culture” is pretty much a hipsterism as far as I can tell. It’s a posh way of describing regular food of a sort that often gets sold from the back of a van everywhere except it’s made by and for white people and costs twice as much. Their original purpose of selling affordable food reasonably quickly to workers who want some hot food instead of bringing their own lunch to work but don’t have a long enough break to go anywhere to eat was gentrified away a while back.

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igwym (haven't dealt with it myself but have seen the Named Famous Food Truck Enterprises phenomenon which sprung forth from that) but that's not quite what I meant

we just don't have food trucks here - we have some roadside spaza shops, interspersed on some more of the busier intersections of cities. largely these will be packets and produce. some of the ones in very high traffic areas might do hot/cooked foods, but off the top of my head I can only think of 4~5 places in my side of the city where these exist

(and since I figured this would be unfamiliar to anyone who isn't from ZA, I briefly checked the internet to see whether there's decent imagery to convey what I mean and .... no. there is none. so I guess I'll have to go create it)

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

I believe it'll happen a bit later when david/self/blake are around

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swlabrreply
awful.systems

Are you a dad mid-squint, trying to visually discern something before giving up or putting on eyeglasses? Because the more I look at it, that’s the vibe I get from the pic

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…I mean look, it’s not that I don’t like wearing my glasses, they’re just uncomfortable (because I don’t wear them)

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live reaction shot upon @self seeing yet another driveby dipshit poster thinking they're real clever

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

Ghostbuster (1984) terror dogs, which because no IP can remain dead and nothing new can be created, have been reintroduced in the more recent ghostbuster movies.

See this clip (From 1984)

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It is a good movie. Also the best piece of propaganda the libertarians ever made. Justice for Peck!

E: "buu...buttt he shut down the machine!", yes, that wasn't great but the shutdown was inevitable, they were running a onetime payment business model with permanent containment costs via the high power usage and rent of the building (and this is ignoring the need of multiple storage facilities, as this one was already getting full). He just sped up the process, but prob prevented an even larger outbreak as the ghostbusters (who are not great with money) would have eventually not been able to pay the powerbill. Prob taking out more than just one building.

I blame new york lack of bears, the natural enemy of libertarians.

::: spoiler spoiler for Ghostbusters Frozen empire. E2: apparently it gets even worse in the later movies, as the ghosts can escape from the containment units, it didn't even work! (Eurgh, they brought back the containment unit explosion, undead IP). :::

Me watching ghostbusters

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It’s something strange. Maybe in this neighbourhood.

::: spoiler spoiler Something something ghostbusters :::

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awful.systems

i completely forgot until i saw this comment

i've been running on adrenalin since thursday for reasons i'm not going into yet (started deeply fucked up, i'm smiling but i'm very fucking furious, may be resolving to less fucked up cross fingers, i'm smiling like that Ukrainian politician who made the phone video welcoming the Russian invaders into Hell) so expect nothing of me for a little while until all is more determinate

it's useful having a cowriter, we can cover for each other

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awful.systems

can anyone recommend a language learning app or system that isn’t dependent on LLM garbage? after bouncing off of Duolingo I almost landed on Readlang, but:

  • all of its features seem to be LLM-dependent
  • because of that, its word and phrase explanations have a bit of oddity to them that I feel will get worse when I get past the beginner material
  • it’s a lot slower than it should be because it’s calling into ChatGPT for everything
  • even though this is supposedly their strength, I’ve had really bad instances where a GPT-based translation app translates Spanish (which should be fairly easy) into absolutely nonsensical English, and I’m kind of terrified I’ll make a fool of myself learning Spanish from a system where that’s a statistically likely probability
  • maybe I don’t want to pay some asshole to not write me some study materials????
  • plagiarism and the rainforests
  • it feels like Readlang really doesn’t need an LLM or a $6/month subscription that’ll almost certainly go up? like, it’s essentially an e-reader with a manual translation feature (that could be just a Spanish word/phrase dictionary) that also generates flash cards whenever you activate the translation. is there really not an e-reader or browser plugin that just does this shit without LLMs?

with that rant out of the way, I’m open to suggestions that aren’t Duolingo’s model or another round of passing grades and zero vocabulary retention at the community college

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Honestly, almost anything can work. Some, sort of flash card system, and some, sort of input in the language that you enjoy. I use Anki and yes it's trash but I have never found spending anymore than the least necessary time on the tech of language learning worth it.

The crucial thing, in my experience, is that language acquisition only works if you're paying attention because you actually care about the material in front of you. I think a lot of people make the mistake of only studying aspirationally and well beyond their current capacity, forgetting how to be a child and be highly curative and explorative. Weird shit, even practically unuseful shit, is surprisingly better than you'd think.

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

I have a memrise lifetime thing that I bought some years ago and occasionally use, but I've never done a comparative test so I can't tell you how much better/worse it is than anything else. they did try integrating some chatgpt-backed "have a conversation" junk a while back but it's optional (and when I asked support about it, as well as which data is used for training, the answer said it was optional. I have no measure to tell how true this was/is)

you don't say which you want to learn (except mentioning spanish) but best other addition I have is that languagejones (youtube channel) recently did a review of every language on duolingo, including some comparisons with how those languages were treated on other platforms. might be worth a look

bonus round: the most recent agma schwa cursed conlang circus featured some absolutely amazing entries (I watched part 3 last weekend while recuperating on the couch). some of the ones from it include goptjaam and seraphim and I promise you they may be the most cursed thing you see all day

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ah yep, this is for Spanish! I’ll give memrise and that languagejones video a look

I think what excited me about Readlang is that I could use real text (which gives my ADHD brain something other than language learning to be excited for) and it’s like a semi-automated version of the process I’ve seen Spanish speakers use to learn English with a translation dictionary and handwritten flash cards. I might just have to try a variety of apps (for as much as these free trials will let me — a lot of these companies are terrified I’ll learn something of value without paying them a fuckload of money) until I find one that tickles the same part of my brain

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awful.systems

Summary of the recent crowdstrike report: 🧵https://infosec.exchange/@munin/112916974811882522

Munin wonders if the weird writing style of the report might be because crowdstrike used an LLM to generate a summary of several source documents, which would be funny-yet-depressing if true.

The actual causes of the incident probably won’t suprise anyone… “didn’t bounds-check, didn’t test parser on bad data, didn’t stage rollouts” in order of should-have-done-this-first-ness.

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Oops, I’ve been trying to avoid calling it “clownstrike”, and didn’t quite manage to fix that initial syllable.

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bitofhopereply
awful.systems

It's a really weird name for a product. A crowd strike sounds like a terrorist tactic, not something that brings "security" to mind.

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Tom Clancy’s CrowdStrike sounds like the kind of military fiction I’d accidentally buy from the thrift store

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there’s a whole strain of extreme terribleness in the wider infosec industry ito naming and references, it’s so goddamn bad

the most recently visible form of this is post-heartbleed how lots of researchers/groups now fall over themselves to give vuln publications Branding (logo, catchy name, etc), but also all kinds of other things that they constantly mix some terminology soup up

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mlenreply
awful.systems

I think ClownStrike is the name they deserve

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V0ldekreply
awful.systems

Completely agree, that's why I nit, since "CloudStrike" sounds like an actual name for an actual product and I will not have that stand!

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AWS probably has pre-filled patent documents ready for CloudStrike, just waiting on some acquihire or popular open source thing they can product-leech

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

People are so trained to shout at Cloudflare for protecting the neo-nazi sites that this is every understandable.

::: spoiler Image description Simpsons cartoon, Marge shouts 'Cloudflare, no!' to her left. Bart, with the Cloudflare logo on his head walks in from the right, 'What?'. Marge apologizes to Bart, 'Sorry force of habit'. Marge shouts 'Crowdstrike, no!'. :::

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froztbytereply
awful.systems

while that's also a problem, doesn't really seem that's what happened here

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Soyweiserreply
awful.systems

I have seen a lot of people call it cloudstrike and not a lot of other variants, so I assumed it was due to crowdstrike and cloudflare being so similar.

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