ACAB includes Kamala Harris
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/15032962
Alt text: a screenshot of a microblog post with the text "you walking down an alleyway with a gram of weed in your pocket, who would you rather catch you?" Below are two pictures side by side. One of Kamala Harris and the other of Batman.
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My ball sack is too. I could use the money.
Nice whataboutism, however I don't think this post mentioned orange man.
Ah yes the lemmy.world user reminding us that making fun of the "left-wing" candidate makes you a right winger. Have you considered that making fun of Liberals is one of the most left wing things one could do, unless the only reason why you're in this Anarchist community is to spread Liberalism and tell people to vote for the "right people". Yeah im sure if you bootlick the capitalists and blindly obey them like a puppy they'll give you their tablescraps and a pat on the head.
That's fine, next time if you see that you're in a left wing community avoid talking like a Liberal.
Are you electioneering?
Are you?
Have I told you vote for candidate X?
#bandname
Don’t vote for candidate X is still electioneering?
Have I told you don't vote for candidate X? Or did I criticize a politician? Did I say tactical voting is the big poo poo? Why does criticizing a politician cause so many to reflectively defend them?
Probably because they disagree with you?
To be clear I agree with your criticisms, Kamala is 100% a cop. I disagree with you banning anyone who uses the word “vote” in their disagreement.
Kamala is the democratic candidate for president, anytime we talk about her we’re implicitly talking about the election. You can’t then turn around and ban anyone who then brings up the election. You brought it up first!
If you think “Kamala sucks” posts aren’t electioneering then I don’t know how to help you.
I've not been banning people just for the word vote, I've been banning people for telling others to vote or who to vote for.
Do you really expect an anarchist space to have a rule against criticizing members of the political class?
This community was created because users where concerned an other community was going to drop a similar rule, this community has been growing since it started so there are people that I'm assuming do approved of the rules.
I will throw you a bone, I've rewriten the rule & it will include telling people not to vote. I'm not going to tell anarchist they can't criticize a member of the political class.
As someone who was a politico/political activist(seeing the sausage cracked out made me an anarchist), minding the people who are already committed supporters, phone banking to remind people to vote, taking people to voting polls, & calling people who's mail in ballets have been rejected so they can fix it, is going to be far more effective then browbeating randos online about the lesser evil.
Nobody here is promoting the orange fascist, that would get a ban.
This is an anarchist community. Anarchism has a long history of advocating for abstentionism, so I don't see why it should be shocking to see it here.
The Case Against Voting - Colin Ward
Death to the Russian government lol. But seriously, assuming that everyone who doesn't know down to your politicians is a Russian agent is needlessly conspiratorial.
Absolutely not! It's like the lowest hanging fruit of a bountiful tree of evil she's a part of. Anarchists also have a long history of advocacy for the abolition of police, so again this kind of rhetoric coming from actual humans should not come as a surprise.
In most communities, I'd agree. But in an anarchist community, especially this C/, the only thing I'd be surprised at is that the meme is stale. This place is usually pretty fresh on the meme train.
Tbh, most of the blahaj political C/s, you can essentially not worry much about farming. There's really not going to be any posts of the usual propaganda subjects that would be out of the norm for the various communities. I'm mostly a lurker on blahaj, but it's pretty damn lefty friendly overall.
No bullshit, just lurk for a while and it'll be easy enough to see.
Yup. And a long history of being ineffectual in making changes on a societal level because of it. Statistically, it's equivalent to supporting the worst outcomes and building roadblocks to achieving the sustainable systems necessary to support humanity while dismantling unjust hierarchies. Anti-electoralism is so fallacious with the data for context that it nearly seems like a right-wing ploy to suppress leftist voices.
In fact, this meme is really on-point for this perennial problem and regular Denying the Correlative ("vote third party"). The realistic version would be "which person would you rather meet in an alley when you have drugs on you: a former prosecutor, a nazi, or an imaginary character bourgeois character with Superman Syndrome that isn't a real choice but counts in favor of the Nazi."
Too many fellow anarchists are happy in their ivory towers, pretending that inaction isn't a choice, and choosing ideological purity over using every tool in the box to keep the patient from dying while treating the sickness. There's more than enough of us to overwhelm the Right.
I don't tell people to vote or not, people can make that decision themselves, I'm not their master(I keep that in the bedroom). I was a politico/activist, I did a hell of a lot more then vote every couple of years. I became an anarchist because of all of the subtile out in the open corruption that I saw. If voting could produce substantial reform it would have been made illegal. There is never an appropriate time for holding anyone accountable, during the primaries everyone says we can't support a reform candidate because they'll loss in the general, we have to support the nominee because other side bad, & we can't have change next election because other side bad. If you never hold anyone accountable for their actions why would they ever change? I'm not saying tactical voting is useless but blind support for a political establishment is dangerous. People are so afraid of other side that they bend over backwards to not view their politicians critically & the two parties in general are a lot closer on policy then people like to think. The fact I get so much angry push back for even minor critisism is evidence that people have let themselves be cooped. The more corrupt & brutal police departments are in Democratic strongholds. We just had the largest most sustained anti police protest in history & all of the reforms have been largely cooped or underminded & rolled back & now we have a former prosecutor who defended corrupt police & other corrupt prosecutors who has been ordained the new candidate with no real candidate electoral process. An across the board Democratic landslide would have it's own pitfalls. The Democrats efforts on gun control will disproportionately effect marginalized people because gun control always has. The Stop & Frisck program is a good example of the harm gun control policies have. Only two percent of the stops found guns, POC & trans women where grossly over represented & NY cops were allowed to arrest women in possession of condoms for prostetution. Harris as a prosecutor prosecuted non violent gun possession cases harshly, a subset of those cases would have been marginalized people who had a gun only for self defense. I honesty think mutual aid activism is far more productive then spending time trying to get people to vote.
You have some really valid points and things that I would like to address but need to try to focus my ADHD brain elsewhere at this moment. I will try to reply to you this evening.
Understandable.
Sorry for taking a while - family that we've not seen in a while.
Bro I've literally donated my own money to people killing Russian invaders. But yes everyone who criticizes your favorite politician is a Russian bot & using that card to try to shutdown even the smallest critisism of those in power doesn't have a corrosive affect on political discourse in the west thereby serving Putin's aims.
As much fun as it is to go that route, most farms today are run out of China and India. I mean there are still putinbots but not nearly in the numbers there was in 2016.
They're all pushing similar frameworks so it doesn't matter as much where they originate from, they are all using the same playbook.
Pretty sire she’s not a cop sooooooo
Its still batman, he’s got bigger things to worry about
She's not a cop anymore. She was the DA of San Francisco in 2004-2011, and she was the Attorney General of California from 2011-2017. She was responsible for prosecuting people, and lead an effort to police black and poor families harder. She also was directly responsible for transgender inmates having their gender-confirming surgeries withheld. Also remember that time she mocked people chanting "schools not jails"?
Which part of that was her being a cop?
The part where she prosecuted poor black parents because their children missed school when they were sick in the hospital?
Cops don't prosecute people. Lawyers do.
Do you have anything of value to contribute to the discussion, or is your sole issue that Kamala Harris has not ever actually served on a police force?
If somehow not serving on a police force makes you a cop then I guess we're all bastards.
And yes, that's really my sole issue. I didn't think it was going to be controversial to point out that she wasn't a cop.
You do understand that we say "ACAB" because it's catchier than "I dislike the so-called justice system that does nothing but destroy lives for the state, and that includes cops, lawyers, prosecutors, etc.", (IDTSCJSTDNBDLFTSATICLPE) right?
I bet you also say things like "You can't call everyone you don't like a nazi, the nazi party ended decades ago!"
I say this with all the kindness in my heart, please log off and go outside.
No, prosecutors prosecute. Prosecutors are not literally cops (duh), but they are a very important part of the criminal ”justice” system. Cops couldn’t put people away without their help
Which part of that was ok?
Different argument.
Appreciate the links but that was 7+ years ago. What are her stances now?
She keeps telling us that we should vote for her because of her record as a prosecutor and Attorney General so apparently what she did in those roles is what she thinks is important.
You replied to the wrong person.
OK Poindexter does someone need to explain linguistics to you?
And her opposition is a fascist, a felon, a liar, and a seditionist who hero worships dictators.
The choice is clear.
That doesn't make her less of a cop though. I don't even understand your response. You get mad at people trying to push for progress because... Trump is a fascist? I don't know, your argument doesn't make sense.
My choice is easy, because I'm unable to vote due to voter disenfranchisement! But even without that, I'm a chronically ill trans person. I'm unable to get my basic, uncontrolled medication or my HRT because of regressive transphobic and ableist policies that are being made every single day. I don't really care if it's Trump or Harris overseeing the trans people being murdered, unhoused, and forced to go without health care.
Exercise your vote how you wish, but voting is the bare minimum and some of us can't even do it. Go buy a trans person a pizza or a night in a motel if you want to make the world a materially better place.
You're getting a one day ban for electioneering.
enforcing a 'don't talk about voting ever, only encourage not voting' anarchist community is sus af. not voting isn't gonna make the govt disappear. not voting is just laying down and saying 'do with me what you will'. not voting, especially from anarchists, inevitably gives more weight to explicitly fascist votes. i'd like a world without goverment as well, but we aren't gonna get there not voting nor by banning people from anarchist spaces who advocate for slowing the rise of more violent fascism. material conditions, bud.
Yeah... That kind of action does not really say "acting in good faith" or seem like supporting anarchic philosophy.
"Anarchism is when vote"
In some forms, when needed, yes. See: anarcho-syndicalism.
What is contrary to most anarchic philosophy is using power over others to suppress voices that express dissent in good faith. In fact, I can't think of a branch of anarchism where that's not outright contradictory to central tenets of the philosophy.
Yes totally that one rule in this little corner of Lemmy is totally the driving force behind the rise of fascism.
ok so just being an obvious weak ass troll now. blocking this garbage account and community.
Oh no, please don't do that
This is the same problem that libertyhub has, its sus as hell there too.
I get not wanting straight propaganda or canvassing, but no one is allowed to push back when you say don’t vote? Its just sucks :/
Who said don't vote?
Edit: I don't tell people to or not to vote you're all grown up people that can decided that for yourselves.
A gram of weed would get you a citation at most in SF back then, but most likely some "get that high school shit out of here" comment.
Source: I lived in SF back then and had friends who had nearly that exact experience.
What was their skin color?
Oh OK I'm suppose to just ignore the statistically relevant disproportionate treatment of black people in the injustice system.
Put what back in the deck? What does that mean?
Are you electioneering? You're getting a one day ban for electioneering.
No U
Thank you.
Do you micro analyze all memes?
OK Poindexter does someone need to explain linguistics to you?
Weird.
I pick whichever one isn't a rapist
At least batman would break my spine so I can get disability
A true allie
North American folks cannot dismantle the two-party system (TPS) by attacking just one side.
Criminalisation of drugs is older than the current climate of the TPS as its rooted in racism, classism and ableist healthcare.
Kamala H. and Donald T. don't deserve this kind of detailled attention from or in the anarchist sphere, continent-rulers are at most tools or enemies.
How would either know what's in my pocket?
You got stopped & friscked because you 'looked' suspicious
Harris isn't (and wasn't) a beat cop and since when does Batman stop and frisk?
Yeah she was a prosecutor which in many ways is worse, prosecutors are at the center of much of what is wrong with the system, prosecutors may not be the ones on camera beating people but they ruin a lot of lives, families, & communitoes. Because of various laws passed over decades that prosecutors pushed for prosecutors have far more discretion(& therefore power) then judges.
When we says she's a cop we don't mean she ran around with a gun & handcuffs(minus the exercise of power I'm all for people carrying both guns & kink exseseries, you gotta be prepared) we're saying she was an integral part of a system of power that is central to the marginalization of vulnerable populations.
So she wouldn't stop me "in an alley". Got it. You can see how comparing her to Batman isn't really very helpful for anyone, yeah?
Do you micro analyze all memes?
When they're this misleading and incorrect? Sure.
You're being needlessly pedantic, Harris isn't a cop in the same way Trump isn't a member of the Fascist party. I think you would know what someone means when they call Trump a fascist.
Eh, I think I'd enjoy the conversation with the Bat more. Dude can be reasonable in most of his versions. If he's coming at me over weed, which would just mean I was taking it to someone as a favor since I don't/can't use the stuff, I kinda doubt he's going to be all physical right out of the gate.
Harris would be boring as fuck all.