Spyke
kbin.run

dude even I can't keep up anymore and I can't even legally vote yet

shit evolves too fast

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TommySodareply
lemmy.world

I almost feel bad for you guys. You guys are gonna feel old a lot sooner than I did. The way I spoke was still relevant at least until I was 23ish and then slowly tapered off.

Just take solace in the fact that when you guys are all my age you're gonna cringe so fucking hard at the way you spoke you'll collapse into a black hole. It happens to all of us so it's probably better if you know less.

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strawberryreply
kbin.run

I already cringe at how I spoke a year or two ago (whenever pog was a thing) 👍

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Hey, let's not choose violence here, this is a family restaurant

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Lol was pog ever a thing?? I've only ever heard streamers use it, and verbalizing emote names is always gonna be cringe imo

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After I watched slang evolve multiple times across only a couple of generations, I stopped worrying about being in, and realized as a writer that slang older than the parental generation stays classy. Also, there's no correct way to use a living language. References might tell us what was the norm at the moment they were published, but they were obsolete before they were sold.

I may have to invent a dialect combining Newspeak and Nadsat and go extra crunchy.

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I did an indoor skydiving thing once and there's a lesson beforehand. My partner and I did the required skills well and our young instructor said "Let's go" and so we got up to leave the room. Incorrect, he was just expressing approval.

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jballsreply
sh.itjust.works

I'm trying to decide if that's on you or the instructor. My first thought was to blame the instructor for being confusing. But now that I've thought about it some more, if you had just said something remarkable and they responded "no way, get out of here!" then you probably wouldn't have thought they were literally telling you to leave.

So yeah... you might just be getting old.

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lemm.ee

This is such a weird performative thing, why are we pretending kids are speaking some incomprehensible foreign language? Aside from a couple pieces of really specific slang, most of which is only ever used ironically anyway (I'm looking at you, "skibidi"), it's the exact same evolution of language and slang as every other previous generation before it, just perhaps with a wider spread and more global influence. And almost all of it can be deciphered with little effort: Rizz = ChaRISma, Gyatt = GYATTdamn (goddamn), etc.

Like I know we're all eventually going to become the next generation of boomers, such is the curse of time, but jesus christ y'all don't have to fucking speedrun to that conclusion.

I don't know about you, but personally I always planned to be better to the generation that followed me than the generation that preceded mine was to us.

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lemmy.world

Rizz = ChaRISma, Gyatt = GYATTdamn (goddamn), etc.

Erhm... As a non native speaker, WTF?

Rizz, first thing that comes to mind is rice. GYATT... Dunno. Gynaecologist I guess...

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personally I always planned to be better to the generation that followed me than the generation that preceded mine was to us.

And this is why I make the effort to understand. We don't have to make the same mistakes of the past, we have to tools to understand.

And I do my best, I look up the words I don't know and can't figure out. And worst case I simply ask.

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saigotreply
lemmy.ca

fam fr fr, u bein here is high key cheugy. Stop simping for my eco friendly wood vaneer, take the L or u'll catch these hands Periodt

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saigotreply
lemmy.ca

it's a pejorative for people who aren't following the trends and particularly the now out of fashion trends from the 2010's (live laugh love signs, mom jeans, minions, holds up spork, girl bossing etc) that's now associated with being behind the times, tryharding etc, but has evolved to a general term for people who are uncool.

(I am a millennial though for the record so maybe I'm not using it right :D)

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samus12345reply
lemmy.world

I'd never heard it before. After looking it up, that appears to be the correct usage. It's one of those slang words with no apparent etymology. It refers to a pretty specific time period, so it will probably have a short shelf life unless it changes in meaning.

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I'll add the opposite of cheugy is basic and still negative. Basic people conform too much to the current trends, are trying too hard to be in the groove, and are hence seen as shallow and artificial.

So you can't win either way, but it was this way in the 1980s too.

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The only Time is Morris Day's, and that's the hill I'll die on.

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But we have no lawns to tell them to get off of

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sh.itjust.works

I surprised someone in my (very mixed age) friend group when, mid-game, I went to KnowYourMeme to look up the history of “gyatt” and what the heck it meant to see if the name of the random player “WhatTheGyatt” was inappropriate or not.

The fact that the word had history evoked surprise.

I still don’t LIKE it, but now I know where it came from and what they’re trying to say.

(I also had to look up “rizz” because my not-school-aged brain thinks it sounds like jizz and was confused why a bunch of kids would be playing cum tag????? Turns out, it does NOT mean jizz)

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I think I've seen it before, but I had no idea what gyatt meant until I just looked it up. I was able to figure out, after learning it was most commonly used to express shock at seeing a large female butt, that it derived from the first syllable of "goddamn."

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Swedneckreply
discuss.tchncs.de

i mean it's a bit unfair to show it in a different font, if i wrote this in wingdings you wouldn't understand shit either.

Hwæt. We Gardena in geardagum, þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon, hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon. Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum, monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah, egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad, weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah, oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra ofer hronrade hyran scolde, gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning. ðæm eafera wæs æfter cenned, geong in geardum, þone god sende folce to frofre; fyrenðearfe ongeat þe hie ær drugon aldorlease lange hwile. Him þæs liffrea, wuldres wealdend, woroldare forgeaf; Beowulf wæs breme blæd wide sprang, Scyldes eafera Scedelandum in.

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He/she probably meant hand, not font. Most people don't know the terminology regarding letterforms.

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Swedneckreply
discuss.tchncs.de

yeah, and as you can very obviously see it does not look like modern text, the average person would struggle to identify most letters.

My point is that using a text written in what is effectively a completely different writing system isn't a fair comparison, of course it's going to be impossible to understand when you can't tell what the letters are! That doesn't tell you anything about how different the actual language is.

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yeah, and as you can very obviously see it does not look like modern text

Because it's not; that was the point. It's still English, but is unrecognizable as such. It literally looks like "some kind of elvish."

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except the major difference is just that it uses funny letters, which you can do with any language and that doesn't mean the actual language itself is different!

You're effectively taking dutch, writing it in cyrillic script, and going "look at how different the languages are" when in fact dutch is generally easier to comprehend than a thick scottish dialect.

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I never really understood at what point a language evolves enough to be an entirely new language.

Old English feels so far removed from even middle English, let alone modern English.

We have "new" and "old" to differentiate them, but with how many Latin words alone entered English between Old English and Modern English, It's something I've never found a comprehensive answer to.

I guess, what is it about proto-indo European that we acknowledge as a distinct language from the hundreds of thousands of languages that evolved from it, other than time scale and global impact.

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lemm.ee

this morning I shat masel fr fr fam no cap bet go brrrrr.

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TommySodareply
lemmy.world

I hate that I understand that. I don't have kids, I just have a friend that uses all that lingo even though he's 30. He's super cool, but super cringe some times lol.

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To be fair everything after the fifth word is essentially just tone marking

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feddit.nl

I was listening to H.G. Wells on audiobook today and it's both cool and sometimes difficult to listen to the old timey English. Like it's close enough to be familiar and mostly understood, but also different enough to sound like a whole other language.

Language evolves and I think that's cool. The more people we have and the more ways of communicating, the more it will evolve.

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lemm.ee

This modern slang is damn gibberish. Back in my day, at least our slang made some gramatical sense, it was simply noun replacement, and some adverbs/verbs. Now get off my lawn.

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I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me. It'll happen to you!

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I don't speak it, but considering this scene from Airplane (1980) ( on YouTube ) I understood the whole conversation.

Of course this is Hollywood jive, and like other languages, it's subject to regional vernacular variance which might be beyond me.

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It isn't gibberish and it makes grammatical sense. You just don't understand the unspoken rules around the slang.

But sure grandma let's get you to bed :P

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The evolution of language is beautiful IMO

I've read books from over a hundred years ago and their modern translations and the differences are sometimes pretty drastic

Listening to those radio plays from back in the day is pretty awesome as well

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lemm.ee

Skibidi toilet fanum tax Ohio

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Relatability is only part of charisma. Impression of things like likeability, knowledge, and authority play an essential role.

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lemm.ee

Meeting the kids are why I don’t care about global warming anymore.

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jballsreply
sh.itjust.works

"Bruh no cap fr you fixin to high key catch these hands"

"I hope your entire generation starves from climate induced famine."

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lemmy.ml

Yeah, we can tell you and your generation don't care.

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5in1kreply
lemm.ee

Most millennials care. I’m just over us. Humans deserve the slap down coming.

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No they don't, if they cared they would've done something about the state of things.

They don't care exactly like you. They are "over us".

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