Lightcone is so *outraged* at the Guardian article that they have started a prediction market about it
WE DEMAND A CORRECTION TO uh various minor nitpicks
also we swear we totally didn't get your email
bonus from thread:
I am having a lot of fun on Manifold, but if the team insists on inviting eugenics speakers to conferences, its probably time for me to leave :-/
What exactly is your objection to people exercising their bodily autonomy to implement voluntary eugenics?
https://manifold.markets/billyhumblebrag/will-the-guardian-issue-a-correctio?r=YmlsbHlodW1ibGVicmFnOpen linkView original on awful.systems
Imagine being such losers that you get owned by the fucking Guardian, and as your brilliant followup, you start screaming "I'M NOT OWNED"
Has anyone checked for kernels of corn growing behind their ears?
idgi
the corncob of ownage
still lost :D although strangely this evoked some Q3A mental imagery for me
it's a dril (wint) tweet
lesswrong response
first comment:
dutifully downvoted to -6 of course
"I'd like to tell you my thoughts on these various eugenicists, but they would be
repulsive,fedposts, impossible to convey accurately in public discourse.Well, they got their wish, the Guardian piece is now updated:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/jun/16/sam-bankman-fried-ftx-eugenics-scientific-racism
I think the Gruaniad had a lot of fun with this. By hyperfocusing on the nitpicks, the rats gave them an open goal in correcting tiny details (who now cares whether any money from SBF actually entered the account of Lightcone?) but left the bigger details in place: namely that Lightcone is tight with racists.
Edit a few libertarians(?) in the comments are urging Habryka to sue for libel in the UK, totally fine with using the power of the state to enforce speech! He modestly declines, likely he knows it's not a slam-dunk win (especially if the newspaper actually amends the piece) and that news orgs live for being sued for defamation. It's the classic sign of a bully to sue, and it generates a ton of press.
habryka on LW:
the long list of race scientists are not "actual racism" ok dude. this is in reply to someone saying that it was these precise people that kept him from attending
Lol this is not the great anti-racist response they might think it is.
i would think that for habryka “actual racism” means something like open calls to genocide, not, you know, actual racism.
I don't think even that does it. Richard Hanania, one of Manifest's promoted speakers, wrote "Why Do I Hate Pronouns More Than Genocide?".
i remember reading on a Right Stuff forum a guy detail why even different varieties of white people genetically couldn't get on and then say "I'm not even racist." at that point i realised there were no racist statements in the english language
and yeah, nfw this piece wasn't closely inspected by legal and the writers are thinking "please please bring it the fuck on"
Dang that slanderous Guardian describing Manifund as a prediction market when it's a market where people make predictions. Totally misleading!
of course, with this lot “can currently only be used to donate to charity” is also not quite the firewall one would expect it to be …
Paying 20-somethings to have orgies on the beach in Bali is a form of charity, if their laptops are nearby.
The phrase "legal reasons" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in their FAQ
I love how you can see people rushing in to buy the prediction right after the correction happened and before the author called it. This system is very secure totally.
This is going to happen in any prediction market whose events are opened and closed manually. Unless you can automatically halt trading when the condition is met (this is probably what people call an "AI-complete" problem), there will always be people who notice the condition is met before the event runner. The unfair trades will certainly be reversed if this is a prediction market worth even a little bit of its salt.
Kelsey Piper holding herself up as some avatar of responsible tech journalism, as if she isn’t…not even compromised, because I can’t accuse her of being compromised when she is explicitly in this business not even to take the rationalist side but as a literal rationalism advocate
Like you can object when someone (allegedly) goofs in writing up an investigative takedown, but at least they’re in the fucking business of starting from the facts and working up to that. And you’re personally fucking offended? Jesus fucking Christ, how high is that fucking stables you’ve built on all that sand?
You know, fuck it, pick your side and have at it, be the “reasonable one” and do your best to make everything about both sides. Please, engage in long navel-gazing private discussions with Sam Bankman-Fried about how he never actually gave a shit about anything now, including your shared ideals, now that it turns out he’s being sent down for giga fraud - we love it when you ultimately decide that that shit makes good copy. But have the basic fucking decency to at least pretend to remember what you are.
The good news is that eugenics chuds are really easy to simulate.
so sorry that you have to soil your diodes with these shitheads' tamagotchis
With just a little bit of creative bin-packing they can share a core with the processes that simulate the smell of sewage and leafblower noise.
The Good Place is a perfect model for this. For the price of a single simulated clam chowder fountain, you can torture hundreds of souls in parallel!
is it considered acceptable journalistic ethics at Vox for a journalist who reports on EAs and prediction markets to make prediction market bets on how a journalistic outlet will follow-up a story on prediction markets and EAs? My eyebrows have just levitated so high they've collided with a starlink swarm.
she's literally paid from an EA grant for the work at vox, so she can hardly compromise her journalistic ethics more.
There really is a difference in professional ethics guidelines, though. Matt Levine used to work at Goldman, he totally always sides with financialization, and for that matter everyone at Bloomberg is paid by Mike Bloomberg, but they still have professional guidelines preventing them from most trading.
ETA: lol. lmao, even
from an SBF grant!
not that that stopped her shanking him lol
yes, she's ingroup
But betting? There’s being an insider and then there’s profiting, and aren’t most journalists prohibited from trading or betting on their covered areas?
but money is The Unit Of Caring
yes, she literally nicknamed herself "money"
Isn't it like not real money? Or have they changed that
Aren't prediction markets an attempt to turn insider trading into a productive part of society (or whatever the libertarians who love prediction markets conceptualize as society.)
Is the header image on that page an intentional joke at the expense of GenAI, or did someone seriously make that and add it to the page? Do they autogenerate their pics?
i think they honestly think this shit is cool
Hard to know if "Contovicsy" is an AI in-joke or a Grauniad in-joke. Or neither.
The more I look, the more I'm sure it's just bad GenAI art. I mean, look at the random Big Ben with newspaper art extending into the ether behind it, the off-center knight-in-orb, the decomposed microscope thing, the physically impossible structural shadow on the disproportionate globe that simultaneously shows from Panama east to Borneo but somehow lacks India...
New Zealand has entered the chat
Do you think it was NZ? I kept trying to figure out what it was but because India was missing I was really unclear. I also guessed “extremely large New Guinea.”
“extremely large New Guinea.”
It's just got big bones
@gnomicutterance @o7___o7 Extremely Large New Guinea is a variant of Bigger Luke http://biggerluke.wikidot.com/bigger-luke
iirc (and rough neuron lookup here:) there’s a longstanding issue with entertainment etc mapmakers that leave NZ out of their maps
Just a conspiracy of cartographers then.
More-crap-ter Projection
It's still hard to beat the dck pck
Contovicsy isn't a river in Ukraine.
Once again hyperrationalists insist on DEBATE and CORRECTION when the best way to handle a "hit piece" like this is to ignore it.
If they're pedantic enough with FACTS and LOGIC they can rationalize it so they're being oppressed by the normies and not at all responsible for the consequences of their actions.
Oh fuck. It took me to see the twitter avi to remember but I have Oliver Habryka registered as “absolute psychopath” in my tortured memory box since way back. Nice to see him doing so well but I wish I could remember what triggered the original mental note, assuming that it was ever anything that specific
Back in the pre-Elon days I idly wished Twitter had something like RES to be able to tag idiots. Now ofc the blue check does a good job as a first-pass filter.
LW thread linked downthread there implies that he organized lessonline
Good god, that certainty. And only 56 betters? lol.