Thank you for this info! I expected this to be more feasible on the Intel models for whatever reason. Glad to see a glimmer of hope for the AMD platforms.
I expected this to be more feasible on the Intel models for whatever reason.
Historically, in the past few years, for devices that support coreboot, we've had more Intel models than AMD models. So perhaps that's were your hunch stems from.
AFAIK, there is no reasonable desktop CPU that is not either very underpowered compared to alternatives or a Mac. Wouldn't framework need to work with a partner to design a whole desktop class of CPU like apple did?
Then after that hurdle, then you are limited to a much smaller selection of apps due to architecture.
I guess we'll see how Qualcomm's chips turn out. Right now we only have synthetic benchmark leaks, which look good, but ARM CPUs often look good in synthetic workloads only to fall short in real ones, particularly when compared against an X86 system.
The rumour mill is also saying that AMD will be making ARM CPUs in a while - allegedly, they formed an ARM design team in order to try to get the Nintendo Switch 2 contract, but Nintendo stuck with Nvidia because they don't want any potential issues with Switch 1 backwards compatibility.
AMD then kept this design team and will be making laptop SoCs now that ARM on Windows is starting to mature and Qualcomm's exclusivity deal (yes, they had an exclusivity deal. That's why all current Windows ARM machines are Qualcomm) is ending.
Not actually the first time AMD has worked on ARM. They made K12, but it was scrapped in favour of Zen when it was clear AMD only had the resources to work on one architecture.
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Support for coreboot can't come soon enough. My fingers are already tingling in excitement for that day.
Until then
Also adding the not available Purism Librem Laptop lol.
Or Thinkpads up to T430, they work pretty okay.
Or a ton of Chromebooks (with lots of drawbacks like bad keyboard, underpowered, low storage, bad repairability)
They are in the EU? Damn I thought US
btw anything from India, Africa, Australia, south america etc?
I just checked, they are in the UK, so not EU (anymore)
I'm not sure about Linux laptop manufacturers in India, Africa, Australia, south america etc from the top of my head, sorry
Is it even coming? They don't seem very interested
We actually already have an experimental coreboot port on the FW 13 AMD.
And, from my understanding, Framework has sent over a device to make this possible.
However, I don't know if it will ever get official support. Though, surely, I hope it will.
Thank you for this info! I expected this to be more feasible on the Intel models for whatever reason. Glad to see a glimmer of hope for the AMD platforms.
Historically, in the past few years, for devices that support coreboot, we've had more Intel models than AMD models. So perhaps that's were your hunch stems from.
Yes, exactly this, though I know Jeremy Soller from System76 has been working on Coreboot for AMD UMA platforms a couple years back.
There's hope, still 😅
I liked this style of ad. Just sitting down and explaining all the interesting features and engineering improvements.
The exiting part will be if they launch a passive cooled arm based laptop.
I don't even need passively cooled, solid state airjet cooling would be perfect for a <20W arm machine.
This was my first thought: when will we get an arm based framework laptop?
Won't this essentially make it a Chromebook?
AFAIK, there is no reasonable desktop CPU that is not either very underpowered compared to alternatives or a Mac. Wouldn't framework need to work with a partner to design a whole desktop class of CPU like apple did?
Then after that hurdle, then you are limited to a much smaller selection of apps due to architecture.
I guess we'll see how Qualcomm's chips turn out. Right now we only have synthetic benchmark leaks, which look good, but ARM CPUs often look good in synthetic workloads only to fall short in real ones, particularly when compared against an X86 system.
The rumour mill is also saying that AMD will be making ARM CPUs in a while - allegedly, they formed an ARM design team in order to try to get the Nintendo Switch 2 contract, but Nintendo stuck with Nvidia because they don't want any potential issues with Switch 1 backwards compatibility.
AMD then kept this design team and will be making laptop SoCs now that ARM on Windows is starting to mature and Qualcomm's exclusivity deal (yes, they had an exclusivity deal. That's why all current Windows ARM machines are Qualcomm) is ending.
Not actually the first time AMD has worked on ARM. They made K12, but it was scrapped in favour of Zen when it was clear AMD only had the resources to work on one architecture.
Maybe thats against upgradeability. Since its system on chip, you won't be able to upgrade ram or cpu seperatelt
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I'm more interested in the 16, which has dedicated GPU support