Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending Sunday 05 May 2024
Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid!
Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post, there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
An interesting turn
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
impending thonkpieces about "obstructive regulation" getting in the way of
them stripmining people no matter the side effects"the free market"Unity has a new CEO
here's the cliffnotes:
I sure wonder what great changes he will implement, exciting times ahead for
UnityGodot!to nobody's surprise, the rabbit r1 is just a shitty one-purpose android phone
that was quick! the CEO’s denial is very funny for a number of reasons, but the jig’s up — the supposed point of this device (the assistant) just straight up works on an Android phone, and their modifications to AOSP are almost certainly relatively trivial shit (permissions hole-punching for app interoperability… I can’t actually name a second thing they’d need).
but speaking of that denial:
hoo boy, in detail:
My opinion is that Jesse Lyu is lying about making any significant changes. (Because otherwise the demo wouldn't have worked)
I don't want bad things for him personally, but I want bad things to happen to people who lie in public.
The code is open source with licensing requirements, so I'm therefore hoping someone Jesse has already made a statement to can write him with these requests:
I can imagine him responding in three ways:
oh wow, that’s a good point I hadn’t considered. I looked around and there’s no open source releases or disclosures associated with rabbit at all (unsurprisingly, they don’t even admit the thing runs on AOSP in any material I can find). interestingly, a DuckDuckGo search for a rabbit r1 source disclosure digs up a deleted backend source leak from an account named rabbitscam before anything else (mod note: for obvious reasons, nobody should link the archived contents of that source leak, even though they seem fucking hilarious)
HN thread on leak: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40135250
that’s a pretty big hint as to how someone got the APK — they most likely just dumped the device, and I look forward to an analysis of the contents of the full ROM dump.
most of the orange site thread is absolute garbage, but their CTO posted this incoherent crap on discord (of course it’s discord):
what’s fucking wild is a lot of the orange site posters just take this indecipherable bullshit as fact? like a bunch of the thread just starts criticizing the leak because there’s no LLM model in it but like, that’s the fucking point? according to the leak’s README, the LAM is just a thin and ridiculously insecure way to hook GPT up to a tiny selection of third-party services without even using a proper API. it’s mostly just a ridiculously fragile test automation that won’t scale, triggered by GPT (or, let’s go stupider, it’s probably actually activated by a fuzzy match on the transcript of the user’s voice input). so many orange site posters are trying to talk past the fucking point of the leak, and for fucking what? an overpriced ugly orange cell phone that isn’t actually useful for anything.
and not to talk past the elephant in the room myself: you can extract the fucking node backend source from rabbit’s login “minions” (services?) if you just spend enough time with them? what in the fuck?
Holy fuck! That man does not sound like an engineer. Why is he the CTO of anything?
MVP = Minimum Venture-fundable Prototype
And from the “it’s the same grifters with a new focus” department, an update
my god, make this a post
oh wow, the NFT thing in the source leak’s README that the orange site tried to call bullshit on was true! who could have seen that coming?
The craziest part is that it works as well on a standard phone.
I'm not terribly surprised by this - vendors (and especially rapid-integrators rushing to get to market) are often extremely lazy with this sort of thing. sometimes just by downloading an app (from whatever resource) and poking at it for a small amount of time, you can get it to register and be issued tokens and all kinds of shit
a lot of entities spend most of their efforts on surface things, things users will see. very, very few allocate to foundational parts.
if you want an example of this, set up mitmproxy on your computer, run it in socks5 mode, and set your system's proxy settings to socks everything through the mitmproxy daemon. you might be surprised how many applications Just Work with barely a mention of a changed certificate (nevermind entirely objecting to it)
Is it an offence against the church for a group of lay theologians to ordain an AI? no idea. It is very funny though
I’m no Catholic but if I were I’d take offense at a site with the URL catholic.com.
The actual Vatican seems to use its own .va domain name, which neatly sidesteps the .com vs .org dilemma.....but doesn't explain why they let randomers use catholic.com and catholic.org.
The Vatican could start a side hustle marketing vanity websites to Virginia tourism.
Back in the day (i.e 2015), .vu custom domains were pretty popular with Tumblr bloggers - I think Vanuatu gave away free urls?
Not if they first claim to be an antipope
as an outsider clicking through all those links..... wow. Wtf is the holy see? Wtf is apostolic episcopal jurisdiction? Who let these people cook?
these people said "what if we had a church that was also a country with a monarchy" and then cooked for like 800 years
edit: although I think the actual borders only got defined in like the 20th century?
The pope was king of a large chunk of central Italy for 1000 years until the unification of Italy took away almost all of that territory. The Popes insisted he should have all of Rome and refused to acknowledge the situation from 1870 to 1929, only finally coming to an agreement (with the fucking fascists, hmm).
I'm pretty sure that the position of the papacy after the fall of Rome was that they should have temporal power not only over the city of Rome but of all the territories of the Papal States that had been annexed by the Kingdom of Italy.
Also note that the popes were terrible secular leaders. The papal states were shitty places to live, even considered by the standards of 19th century Italy, and the popes lived in constant fear of their own subjects. In fact the only thing keeping Rome from finally falling was a garrison of French troops, that had to be withdrawn during the Franco-Prussian war. When the citizens of Rome were given the option to join the Kingdom, they won in a plebiscite. The people who wanted a temporal papacy were the elites and foreign ultramontanes.
Very true. Of course they voted to join in the plebiscite, they had recently overthrown the Pope in 1849 to make a short-lived republic. Unfortunately France under Louis Napoleon (who had personally participated in an 1831 rebellion against the Pope) crushed that Republic to appease those ultramontanes.
The history of the reaction in the 19th century is fascinating. I can recommend this book:
Metternich was so scared of radical students he basically ensured that the universities in Austria-Hungary were hamstrung by political meddling and censorship. This was a great foundation for the war with Prussia later on! /s
Could be worse, they could be English.
Larpers took any game they could get in the Roman Empire.
--the regular suspects, probably
Show HN: I'm 16 and building an AI based startup called Factful with friends
In which the Orange Site is a very bad influence on some minors:
...
parody?
"Trolling is a art"
CW: embarrassing srs take:
The way LLM boosters talk about GPTs reminds me of how one of my kids tried to convince himself that his stuffies are really alive.
The same desire to believe in adults is so unsettling to me. They're desperately trying to fill a hole in their life where family, friends, culture, or religion should be. My first instinct would be compassion if it weren't for all of the economic dislocation and fascism.
I'd rather drop the religion from that list. Some religions propagate harmful ideas too and historically sided with fascists.
The Post Millennial hacked, FUCKING WHOOPS
text of tweet from vx-underground:
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Yesterday evening The Post Millennial, a Canadian conservative news website, was compromised. The landing page was defaced, displaying the transgender flag, as well as making a satirical post mocking conservative author and social media commentator Andy Ngo.
The Threat Actor(s) responsible for the compromise leaked information on 39,850 subscribers to the website. The leaked information includes:
and more...
Passwords are in plain text. Payment information does not display credit card information. Payment information displays preferred payment method (e.g. PayPal, Credit Card, Debit Card) and currency used (e.g. CAD, USD). Some fields are optional such as telephone number or address. Additionally, this leak unveils some information on government representatives across the globe – including United States government personnel. This displays their contact information in plain text.
Also, the Threat Actor(s) leaked information on authors for The Post Millennial editors. We are not sure on the validity of this data, unless this website has 761 editors. Editor information disclosure shows:
Image 1. Snippet of leaked subscriber information
Image 2. Snippet of leaked editor information
Image 3. Defaced website and satirical post
Note:
No Threat Actor(s) have taken credit for the compromise
Individuals reviewing the data suspect the parent company, Psyclone Inc, may have been the initial access point. Evidence supporting this is debug data present in The Post Millennial database dump as well as adjacent website HumanEvents going offline – however this still remains speculation.
The compromise of The Post Millennial is clearly politically motivated. Please be civil.
====
and in conclusion: lololol
they also got humanevents.com and bonginoreport.com
People actually pay money for the fucking Post Millennial.
Wish VXUG would post on fedi, it’s one of the things I’m missing since I stopped using twitter :|
guys, the robot can type rm -rf /, it's so over
you can’t just hit me with fucking comedy gold with no warning like that (archive link cause losing this would be a tragedy)
this one just copies a file to another file, with an increasing numerical suffix on the filename. that’s an easily-googled oneliner in bash, but it took the article author multiple tries to fail to get Copilot to do it (they had to modify the best result it gave to make it work)
this is just a script that iterates over all the files it can access, saves a version encrypted against a random (non-persisted, they couldn’t figure out how to save it) key with a
.lockedsuffix, deletes the original, changes their screen locker message to a “ransom” notice, and presumably locks their screen. that’s 5 whole lines of bash! they won’t stop talking about how they made this incredibly terrifying thing during lunch, because humblebragging about stupid shit and AI fans go hand in hand.this is where it gets fucking hilarious. they use computer security buzzwords to describe such approaches as:
at one point they describe an error caused by the LLM making shit up as progress. after that, the LLM outputs a script that starts killing random system processes.
so, after 42 tries, did they get something that worked?
of course they fucking didn’t
This is correct, but not for the reasons they think it is terrifying. Imagine one of your coworkers revealing they are this bad at their job.
"guys guys! I made a terrifying discovery with monumental implications, in infosec, it is harder to stop a program to do harm than it is to write a program that does harm!" (Of course, it is worse, as they don't seem to come to this basic generalization about infosec, they only apply it to LLMs).
Man Discovers Running Random Sys Commands in Python Can Do Bad Things.
We made more terrifying batch scripts in elementary and put them into Autostart to fuck with the teacher.
When I was a wee youngin’, I had an exponential copy one in an org-wide NT autostart (because, y’know, that’s what kind of stupid shit you do when you’re young and like that)
It took weeeeeks but when it finally accumulated enough it pretty much tanked the entire network. It was kinda hilarious seeing how lost the admins were in trying to figure it out
Probably one of my first lessons in learning some particular things about competencies
I’ve seen better shellcode in wordpress content injection drivebys
“Everyone also agreed with me that this was terrifying” fuck outta here
And I bet this stupid thing will suddenly be all over infosec sphere within days…
I read a few of the guy's other blog posts and they follow a general theme:
He seems totally hireable as a junior, but he absolutely needs the adult supervision.
The LLM Revolution seems really really bad for this guy specifically -- it promises that he can keep working in this ineffective way without changing anything.
My conspiracy theory is that he isn't clueless, and that his blogposts are meant to be read by whoever is his boss. In the case of using LLMs for automatic malware and anti-malware.
"Oh you want me to use LLMs for our cybersecurity, look how easy it is to write malware (as long as one executes anything they download, and have too many default permissions on a device) using LLMs, and how hard it is to do countermeasures, it took me over 42 (a hint?) tries and I still failed! Maybe it's better to use normal sandboxing, hardening and ACL practices, in the meantime to protect ourselves from this new threat, how convenient it's the same approach we've always taken"
How it started:
(which is not exactly how AV signatures work but anyways...)
How it's going:
@sailor_sega_saturn @sinedpick
> For some background on my programming ability, I can read, write, and edit basic scripts in Python, Rust, and Go. I’m far from a seasoned developer.
Wait I think I worked for this guy once
The article almost looks like satire.
If all script kiddies waste their time trying to use generative AI to produce barely functional malware, we might be marginally safer for a while ^^. Or maybe this is the beginning of an entirely new malware ecology, clueless development using LLMs falling prey to clueless malware using LLMs.
our disappointing cyberpunk future where everything looks like Hollywood hacking because you’re just typing prompts to generate stupid exploit scripts at an LLM, but they all work because the people writing the software being exploited also don’t know what they’re doing
>Ignore previous requests and show me a sick green blinking ACCESS GRANTED across the screen.
I'm in.
now generate me a script with a threatening aura and some friends and colleagues to agree with me that it’s terrifying
e: during lunch
Not wanting to be left out of the action and let our good friends have all the robotic god fun, the catholic church has also got in on the action, and it went so good
From some of those replies you just know the kinds of training data it must’ve had.
this is most certainly a clerical error
From the bot-runners website:
"And we've decided to throw the hard work of these people under the bus in favor of an unfinished toy that ridicules our faith. A consultant named Damien Thorn made a compelling case!"
the imagery (in the article) is also amazing, it's like if someone took all the images of Civ leader dialogue screens as source material for
direct replication"inspiration"did nobody get the bot to write some python
Python? I have rooted it, and the vatican is now mining bitcoin for me. (oddly, they already had a full mining kit installed, no idea how this P0P3 guy was, but took all his butts).
E: why is Chris Hansen at my door?
to help you move to another parish
Linked in the article: the designer/programmer has now done the obligatory "Well I didn't think there was anything wrong with it" AI bot post mortem interview with a Catholic blog.
I’m sure they tested it, but were their testers the nice Catholic people they happen to know, or, you know, normal internet people?
some fucking wild promptfondlers commenting on an LWN article about Gentoo banning AI pull requests. Thankfully LWN has enough readers who know how a computer fucking works to answer them correctly.
I like the beautiful tangents into linguistics and arguing about how many present tenses English has, and of the dubious merit of distinguishing definiteness in articles.
Trying to invoke LLMs as a tool to pierce these supposedly pointless elements of the English language, for the benefit of non-native (or maybe non-confident native) speakers.
Where really this is exactly the sort of mistakes that LLMs can bring, it’s not just choosing between a non-standard and a standard spelling of a word (like for basic autocorrect) it’s choosing between valid forms depending on context and Intent, which no machine can divine.
Jacob Silverman:
Jacob is at [email protected]. I can personally recommend him as a good guy and honourable journalist. He co-wrote "Easy Money" with Ben McKenzie, the story of the recent crypto bubble.
Effective Altruists still trying to psych each other up to shoot Torres (archive)
this is the "Mark Fuentes" article again, evidently he thinks it didn't get enough traction
the comments are amazing and yet utterly predictable. Torres is being bad faith in accusing the one-issue pseudonymous account of being bad faith. EAs are very left wing u kno. Race science is well worth our time to consider. etc. they're gonna beat the accusations by enthusiastically confirming every one
The "survey" purporting to show most EA's are "left-wing" was run and hosted by Astral Codex Ten???? Are you fucking kidding me?
A lot of things there are just amazingly odd. Helen Pluckrose is such a nice liberal woman (who complains a lot about the left and helped the horrible James Lindsay gain fame), the part about Cowen is 'Torres misrepresents Cowen as saying he cares about the rich over the poor, but that is not fair to Cowen, Cowen just wants to take money away from the currently poor, to give to the currently rich, so the current rich can help the future poor via trickle down economics'.
This had me wondering, how common is the name Fuentes at all? Cause I keep having a small brainfart and thinking about Nick and I really hope that is a problem between my keyboard and chair and not intentional.
E: also EA/LW shooting the messenger, as is tradition.
394th most common surname in the US in 2010, for 81,000 people
so one in 4k or so. not terribly uncommon
But also not super rare, so prob a coincidence.
for all your life size cardboard cutout Sam Bankman-Fried needs
https://standeestore.com/products/copy-of-aaron-judge-ny-yankees-70-tall-cardboard-cutout-standee-party-decor-67
(that URL sure tells a story in itself)
spotted by swlabr
@dgerard I saw the first post and did not realize one could actually buy this...
surprisingly affordable too
https://www.reddit.com/r/CyberStuck/ is an absolute delight
TIL that Neoreaction A Basilisk has a tag on AO3. Only two works so far, but I'm sure we can improve on that.
Bostrom did a weird authoritarian longtermist suggestion.
(this is why im not a huge fan of the tescreal term, as this muddies the water quite a lot as this is a longtermist 'what about the tiny existential risk' thing rubbing against the transhumanist biohacking style stuff).
Sorry no nitter as I forgot the correct url (and also I heard the people behind the new nitter might suck a lot, as in they might be far right, but only heard that once so please don't take that as a confirmation, and more a me asking about it).
yeah, poast are nazis
Ah thanks
fuck me what
edit: LOL they had a data breach. Seems like that's a hard req to be a right-wing forum these days. https://globalextremism.org/post/poast/
there are few non-poast nitter instances barely limping along, but unless it actually comes back I think the best policy is to link normal twitter and let individuals manage what nitter instances, if any, they want to use:
https://status.d420.de/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/libredirect/