Firefox UX: On Purpose: Collectively Defining Our Team’s Mission Statement
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What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Edit: I see the point of studies, which are not needed. But especially, feeding users stuff their stakeholders want, is a crazy thesis.
Their users are their biggest stakeholders, arent they? Or is it Google?
That phrasing tells me its Google.
Sounds like extremely veiled speak for "we are going to test things out on random users to see how much bullshit they can accept"
It means they want to use telemetry to understand which features are used, to change how they deploy features. Since it's related to investment I wouldn't be surprised if it means more intrusive stuff like Pocket rather than their subtly irritating changes to bookmarks being worked out better.
I don't need feature developement streamlining based on user surveillance. I need options to disable features which are built based on a serious user feedback system if I don't need them.
Best thing about Floorp is how it lets you swap between layouts of the browser itself to me
You got me curious, but now I’m puzzled:
What does it mean by “mostly”?
You're gonna want librewolf most likely
Fake open source idk. Look i put up with a lot of shit from cutting edge japanese developers
They're going to be doing more A/B testing.
It's similar to AI regurgitated crap.
I mean it pretty clearly says that User insights will be put into development and user benefit is first.
...will that happen? Well. Probably not. But I hope so.
They're going to use LLMs to analyse user usage data to make things better?
I dont think LLMs are used for that
They really could use some better leadership
People use Firefox because it isn't Chrome. That's the biggest usecase.
What a silly thing to stay.
This is exactly what "better leadership" looks like, and it's how Firefox will remain a compelling alternative to Chrome.
What they need is a business plan. Right now they aren't inspiring confidence
Nonsense, they have a business plan, it's just not what you personally would like to see.
It's just plain arrogant to presume you know better than an entire team of people with the tech and business acumen to develop a "business plan".
Management blabla without any real outcome as always.
People, THIS is where your donations go to.
Much better than management blabla with really bad outcomes as is the norm, though 🤷
I stopped donating a long time ago, mozilla has proved time and time again to squander it. Firefox is on the brink of death despite having a large amount of funding available, and they keep focusing on other trash endeavors.
My only gripe about this is that they're not committed to being open. Literally every link from the UX team is locked behind a login.
that's cool, try making a better browser tho
In which ways do you feel Firefox should be improved and what would you prioritise?
There are lots of ways I could see it happening. Firefox is still heavy on resources on low end systems. GPU is heavy, it has poor hwdec support on things like v4l2 last time I tried it (though they do at least support it now). They don't push the envelope in any way. Firefox STILL doesn't have JXL support despite safari supporting it (various forks of firefox support it thanks to patches firefox refuses to look at). HEVC support when platform support is available would be nice too. And these are just the issues off the top of my head.
What to prioritize? all of it. They have enough resources to do so.
Which browsers are better on low end systems and is there a trade-off for optimising for lower end systems?
They actually don't
Chromium has preformed better on every single one of my systems, from core2duo and pentium linux machines, Intel Atom machines, Old arm devices. Chromium performs better in the forms of
They do, in their 2022 report, mozilla foundation and corporations had a large amount of both total assets and liquid cash. I'll let the financial statement do the talking here
They have the resources, they just actively refuse to use them for firefox.
https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-2022-fs-final-0908.pdf
Honestly I think that desktop FF is pretty good, with only minor annoyances like:
Mobile FF though? Soo bad, the only redeeming quality is that you can install ublock origin.
Please share your thoughts on mobile Firefox as that's my primary browser. My issues are
That's what I can think off the top of my head.
Not sure if it's helpful, but you know there's an option for that right? Settings -> Homepage
Other than that, a few of your issues sound like memory issues, so hopefully they can slim the browser down a bit to improve things for you. But your last item reminded me of this bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1872511
Thanks, but I'm pretty sure it's bugged. I've had FF open, receive a call, go back to FF, see the homepage instead of the last tab.
I really need to get a new phone, 2gb of RAM is not enough, but I'm having a really hard time finding a pixel in my country.
I think that's for tab selection. I forgot to list that as well, I've got 100+ tabs open and it occasionally jumps to showing the first instead of the last one.
What I meant is: you read an article, and when you're halfway through you close FF. When you open it, it might continue from where you left off, or it might show you the top of the page.
To be fair, being able to install uBlock Origin immediately makes it one of the best mobile browsers for that feature alone.
What the Firefox User Research team is doing: Translating team-focused product development insights into human-centered global public expert strategic knowledge to reduce risk.
What I would rather see it do: Whatever is necessary to get the url bar selection behaviour on linux fixed.
Kinda love it how Mozilla went from being about a good browser to a corporate sponge for Google money. Truly enshittified.
Anti Commercial-AI license
I'm pretty sure they are not making much in the way of money. That's part of the problem.
They make lots of money, Mozilla publishes their tax returns. Between mozilla nonprofit and mozilla corp they are very healthy in funds. In 2021 mozilla foundation, and the corporates it owns, had 1.1 billion USD in assets
I looked at this at first and thought "What? 1.3 million? That's crazy low what the heck" then I saw "in thousands" and I can't help but agree.
500 million per year from Google is "not much"? Or are you referring to something else?
Anti Commercial-AI license
Well, think of the poor CEO... /s
At least any time they waste workshopping pointless mission statements is time they can’t spend inflicting UX pseudo-science on us.
Pretty please fuck off Mozilla, I always click on this bullshit in trepidation it's another mandatory pocket or something, I am actually happy these days when it's just this milquetoast corporate rolplaying