[off topic] One of the best 'ask science fiction' questions I ever read. What would have happened if baby Kal-El had been found and raised by the Addmas Family?
Well, one thing I see is that the Addams and the Luthors must be frenemies before the crash. Lex is super competitive and Gomez is one of the few rich guys he sees as being his equal.
The Addams family was a genuine departure from most sitcom families, It depicted a Family who loved each other, parents who I weren't afraid to openly I show love for each other and actively supported their children's endeavors.
I see Aragorn posted a lot in these threads. But its easy to be that hero when your enemy are orcs.
It says a lot that almost all of these are fictional.
You have to see past the character and to the archetype. When I refer to these characters I mean from the books not the movies/shows, but Elrond, Aragorn, Faramir, Gandalf, Tom Bombadil, and many others are good role models. Tolkien also addresses men who seem heroic but are not, just because they are fighting bad guys doesn’t mean they are good guys, consider Feanor and Fingolfin, Saruman in the books is more or less like USSR and Nazi germany during the polish invasion more than allies.
Tolkien is nearly unmatched in writing male role models.
Steve Rogers. He tries to see where people are coming from when they disagree. He only kills Nazis because Nazis are bullies; he's not just blindly following orders. He steps into situations out of concern for others' well-being, not as a chore or for self-gain.
When Steve Irwin was alive I thought he was amazing, but then again he died as I entered my twenties... These days when I look back at pictures like this, I do question how much of a 'great guy' he was...
I found it to be saccharine garbage. I struggled through one season because I always heard good things and I truly hated it by the end. It's on the level of Paw Patrol for dramatic tension
Yeah, I don’t like any sports and I loved Ted Lasso. A part of my fondness might be due to the show arriving in the thick of COVID and the Trump presidency.
Yep. 100% absolutely. I am also not into sports at all, and honestly I don't even give a crap about the sports part, I care about the fantastic portrayal of what real men are.
Bandit, from the cartoon Bluey, is a good role model dad. He has two little girls and he is always playing with them, usually trying to teach them to be better at the same time. He also sets boundaries in a polite and respectful way. He owns up to his mistakes and he doesn’t lie to his kids or manipulate. He knows he’s not perfect, but it doesn’t hurt to try, right? He is also a good husband to his wife Chili. I just wonder how much weed he smokes off screen to be so tuned into the moment.
I love how everyone in bluey just feels like a person. Like when bandit is sleeping and dreaming of playing football with his mates. In many kids shows parents have no personality beyond being parents. Bluey is different.
Yeah or Relax and Stickbird where Chili can’t relax her mind, and then Bandit is mulling over something on the beach. Then they get back from their trip in Show and Tell, and suddenly Bandit wants to buy a surfboard. But we all know he probably won’t have much time for it.
I'll admit, I was stuck on this for a while before posting, trying to come up with a (relatively) recent example.
My pick is Baby from Baby driver (awesome movie btw). It is the story of a young man who partly through poor decisions, and partly through circumstance ends up in bad circles. Throughout the movie, he learns to stand up for himself, what (he believes) is right, and those he cares for.
What I found most compelling however is how he - when faced with a serious choice - takes responsibility for his actions and mistakes, owning up to them and in the process stops the people he cares most about ending up in harms way.
In my opinion, that is perhaps one of the most important parts of being a man, owning and taking responsibility for your actions, even when that may come at a great personal cost.
Wil Wheaton seems like the kind of man I'd like to be. I used to read his blog in like 2004/2006? And the interviews and writing I've seen just confirm he's a better person than me. And to hear what he went through with his family and the way he talks about it, it's obvious to me that either he's received good therapy, had good support around him, or was just naturally adept at emotionally processing and a way I probably never will be even with therapy.
Fiction wise - Ted Lasso. The show has a lot of arcs about guys (and gals) struggling with various issues surrounding mental health and everybody evolving into a healthier and more wholesome place. If you want to see guys being absolute Bros and just weep for people being wholesome and cool can't recommend enough.
It starts with the expectation it's just gunna be a inspiring feel good sports story and then just goes so far above and beyond the norm it's practically a new genre.
Mr Rogers
[off topic] One of the best 'ask science fiction' questions I ever read. What would have happened if baby Kal-El had been found and raised by the Addmas Family?
Well, one thing I see is that the Addams and the Luthors must be frenemies before the crash. Lex is super competitive and Gomez is one of the few rich guys he sees as being his equal.
Also, Wednesday is Batgirl.
The Addams family was a genuine departure from most sitcom families, It depicted a Family who loved each other, parents who I weren't afraid to openly I show love for each other and actively supported their children's endeavors.
Spelling
Aragorn from the Lord of the Rings. Kiss your homies on the forehead, then stab a nazgul.
I read an article where the author explained how she felt so comfortable with all the men in LotR because of the healthy portrayal of masculinity.
I see Aragorn posted a lot in these threads. But its easy to be that hero when your enemy are orcs.
It says a lot that almost all of these are fictional.
You have to see past the character and to the archetype. When I refer to these characters I mean from the books not the movies/shows, but Elrond, Aragorn, Faramir, Gandalf, Tom Bombadil, and many others are good role models. Tolkien also addresses men who seem heroic but are not, just because they are fighting bad guys doesn’t mean they are good guys, consider Feanor and Fingolfin, Saruman in the books is more or less like USSR and Nazi germany during the polish invasion more than allies.
Tolkien is nearly unmatched in writing male role models.
Steve Rogers. He tries to see where people are coming from when they disagree. He only kills Nazis because Nazis are bullies; he's not just blindly following orders. He steps into situations out of concern for others' well-being, not as a chore or for self-gain.
Someone said that Steve Rogers real super power was being able to always make the right choice
I can see that. In the comics that's generally been Caps thing is his unwavering morality.
Mr. Rogers
Steve Irwin
Bob Ross
LeVar Burton
Utah Philips
Thích Nhất Hạnh
When Steve Irwin was alive I thought he was amazing, but then again he died as I entered my twenties... These days when I look back at pictures like this, I do question how much of a 'great guy' he was...
That baby is the second safest person in that entire arena
Ted Lasso is a great portrayal of masculinity
Is the series worth watching even for someone entirely uninterested in sports?
There's hardly any sports in it, despite the theme of the show
They go out of their way to not show the sprorts, and when they do it's comically bad.
Absolutely. The soccer/football aspects of the show are really pretty minimal. I didn't go into the show as a soccer fan and really enjoyed it.
Guess I'll check it out then!
I found it to be saccharine garbage. I struggled through one season because I always heard good things and I truly hated it by the end. It's on the level of Paw Patrol for dramatic tension
That actually becomes a plot point for S2 and S3, they explore why Ted is the way it is.
Valid, I can see why you think that.
Yeah, I don’t like any sports and I loved Ted Lasso. A part of my fondness might be due to the show arriving in the thick of COVID and the Trump presidency.
Yep. 100% absolutely. I am also not into sports at all, and honestly I don't even give a crap about the sports part, I care about the fantastic portrayal of what real men are.
I will also submit Stephen Fry - for afaik being a great guy all around.
There's a lot of good British comedians who are. Stephen had a cocaine addiction, but he's talked about it openly and his struggle with it.
Bandit, from the cartoon Bluey, is a good role model dad. He has two little girls and he is always playing with them, usually trying to teach them to be better at the same time. He also sets boundaries in a polite and respectful way. He owns up to his mistakes and he doesn’t lie to his kids or manipulate. He knows he’s not perfect, but it doesn’t hurt to try, right? He is also a good husband to his wife Chili. I just wonder how much weed he smokes off screen to be so tuned into the moment.
I love how everyone in bluey just feels like a person. Like when bandit is sleeping and dreaming of playing football with his mates. In many kids shows parents have no personality beyond being parents. Bluey is different.
Yeah or Relax and Stickbird where Chili can’t relax her mind, and then Bandit is mulling over something on the beach. Then they get back from their trip in Show and Tell, and suddenly Bandit wants to buy a surfboard. But we all know he probably won’t have much time for it.
Sam Vimes
And indeed his author
Commander Samuel Vimes
Keanu
Rides motorcycles, skilled with firearms IRL, and all around soft-spoken gentleman. Keanu gets my vote too.
Totally won’t show you his asshole though.
That's OK, it's a request not a demand. Maybe I should have put the word "please" in my username.
If you ask nicely, you might just get your wish 🍑
That’s what my mother used to say anyway. Not sure if she has this in mind though, but who knows?
Also legit BJJ practitioner
Made more money saying "whoa" than everyone in this thread has made doing everything we've ever done.
I'll admit, I was stuck on this for a while before posting, trying to come up with a (relatively) recent example.
My pick is Baby from Baby driver (awesome movie btw). It is the story of a young man who partly through poor decisions, and partly through circumstance ends up in bad circles. Throughout the movie, he learns to stand up for himself, what (he believes) is right, and those he cares for.
What I found most compelling however is how he - when faced with a serious choice - takes responsibility for his actions and mistakes, owning up to them and in the process stops the people he cares most about ending up in harms way.
In my opinion, that is perhaps one of the most important parts of being a man, owning and taking responsibility for your actions, even when that may come at a great personal cost.
Fred Hampton
Uncle Iroh
Dr. K from HealthyGamerGG I think
I was legitimately sad when Mako died he voice was just so amazing.
Wil Wheaton seems like the kind of man I'd like to be. I used to read his blog in like 2004/2006? And the interviews and writing I've seen just confirm he's a better person than me. And to hear what he went through with his family and the way he talks about it, it's obvious to me that either he's received good therapy, had good support around him, or was just naturally adept at emotionally processing and a way I probably never will be even with therapy.
MacGyver
Noel Feilding
Just seems like a really lovely person
The Totally Made Up Adventures of Dick Turpin is hilariously silly, like most stuff he does
Thanks for the show recommendation. I enjoyed him in The IT Crowd.
The Completely Made-Up Adventures of Dick Turpin looks like it's made specifically for Noel Feilding.
Nick Offerman
A young man could do worse than following in the footsteps of Norm Abram.
Master carpenter, published author, avid spokesman for personal protective equipment, accomplished television host and all around stand up guy.
Fiction wise - Ted Lasso. The show has a lot of arcs about guys (and gals) struggling with various issues surrounding mental health and everybody evolving into a healthier and more wholesome place. If you want to see guys being absolute Bros and just weep for people being wholesome and cool can't recommend enough.
It starts with the expectation it's just gunna be a inspiring feel good sports story and then just goes so far above and beyond the norm it's practically a new genre.
Sparrow from Tales of Earthsea
Those spider peoples sometimes and usually.
most sitcom protagonists
edit: yall are hopeless
Sorry, really? Maybe we're not watching the same sitcoms. Can you explain?
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