Dont install random stuff to your system guys
flatpak remote-add flathub-verified --subset=verified https://dl.flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo
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I love flatpak but if you aren't using the AUR on arch what's the point?!
I love Arch but I hate installing and configuring it.
I might have something shocking to tell you. There are distros with good defaults!
Can you recommend a rolling release distro that has good defaults for hyprland or sway?
I can recommend a semi-rolling distro ;D wayblue has some defaults, but I have not tried it. There also is a hardened version of it under the secureblue images. Although I think the maintainer has horrible control issues, I cant deny that the product is near perfect (apart from opinionated Chromium enforcements and some hacky parts like LD_PRELOADing a different allocator) and use the kinoite variant daily.
I cannot.
Endeavour OS is great but it’s just arch.
Gentoo with oddlama/gentoo-install is nice too.
Personally I've been enjoying Garuda with sway.
But that's okay as it's rolling release and unlike other distros you only need to do it exactly once...
because i want to trigger arch users
The installation script fails much too often, so you have to do it manually.
He was asking for reasons to not use Arch... Installing by hand is (more than)half the fun.
Other distros suck tho
The Arch repos, being quick, rolling, not restricted legally or being upstream of some corpo distro like Fedora or OpenSUSE etc
Idk ask Steam?
There are people that choose flatpak for some apps and the AUR for other apps I heard from a friend 🌚
I just want new packages and Tumbleweed sucks, and don't even get me started on Fedora and their codec nonsense. Every time I tried Fedora I run into issues. You can't even use their packaged version of VLC cause they don't also package the correct version of ffmpeg. Fedora is a joke. Nobara even worse cause that one is outdated on top of it. Arch is the way and you are all wrong.
Don't you ever talk to me or my wife's distro ever again
Agree on the Fedora problem, but the solution is pretty easy.
Thats basically it. On the Atomic variants, installing
libavcodec-freeworldis just as easy, but allowerasing doesnt work so you need to uninstall everything manually to unbreak ffmpeg. Or you just use uBlue where it is already done and default (this will also avoid any rpmfusion incompatibilities to happen on your device and on the server instead)Yes this is annoying, but you do that once and afterwards have a current release more stable than Arch, and an old-supported release that is even more stable.
There we go, that's probably what I should have done. Utterly ridiculous! That's too bad since Kinoite is the best immutable distro out there right now IMHO. (No, I don't count NixOS)
And we can go deeper still, cause I have also tried uBlue! And what do you know, even uBlue sucks. I swear to you I had issues I could not figure out how to solve on every single Fedora 39 thing I tried. Yes, I will admit that a user who is used to the Fedora way will have probably easily solved all those, but not me. And I could say the same about Arch, only on Arch I actually know how to solve my problems. And on Arch people would assume having to fix stuff manually, not on Fedora though. Fedora should be an "it just works" distro like Mint, but it's SO GOD DAMN far from it. Anyways, I honestly believe the entire Fedora eco-system is straight up cursed.
Agree, fedora atomic is the best OS base there is. I am also testing COSMIC which is now under the ublue org.
discussion.fedoraproject.org is there for problems.
I agree that Fedora variants need more tweaking, but processes are so damn slow. For example setting up external repos would very well be possible, but they will add an intransparent "add external repos" page to Kinoite. At least that.
Thank software patents for the codec trouble, not Fedora / Red Hat. They just don't want to get their asses sued for free software
Anyway I can use VLC and ffmpeg just fine with RPMFusion, idk what ur issue is, but judging by that
i probably just wasted my time on a brainless troll like you.
How come the other distros don't seem to care? Does it just come down to them being based in the US?. They can't be the only distro mainly based in the US, can they? VLC would not play ANYTHING. That was installed from RPMFusion in Fedora Kinoite 39. But even IF it were to work, this whole RPMFusion thing is ridiculous. If I had to install a bunch of codecs and drivers from the AUR I would say the same about Arch. That would absolutely kill the distro for me.
Hard to argue with that ;)
Obviously because they are SO MUCH MORE BADASS.
No.
https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=why%20can%20ubuntu%20ship%20nonfree%20codecs
Ah, a man of culture
What sucks exactly with TW? For me it is Arch in easy mode 😂
🤔 never had that issue on my TW machines
Well my arch machine, I update using yay, and speed it takes differs depending on how long I haven’t use that PC. On my TW PC I don’t know the time it needs, since it does it automatically when I turn off the PC..
Eh, just my personal opinion. I tried it once and didn't like it. But I can admit that is similar to me saying "Gnome sucks". It's obviously a matter of personal opinion.
I see
For me, KDE sucks 🤭
Meanwhile flatpack: (unverified)
They specifically only added the repo with verified apps
Which is not needed but a good bonus. VLC and others are still unverified, even though very well packaged.
But I dont care about VLC anymore haha, Celluloid has Wayland support, portals, MPV configuration and is better for watching movies. Not for music though.
Flathub doesn't have the apps i need from AUR.
Fair point. But when apps are on Flathub and people say "I dont care I have the AUR" they need to know.
All you need to verify an AUR package is to read the PKGBUILD file, which is something the AUR keeps on encouraging you to do (this assumes that you trust the upstream repo, which is something that even official packagers of most distros do)
Also a lot of flatpak packages aren't sand boxed enough to be safe and only ends up giving false sense of security to nontechnical users
Your last point is extremely important though, AUR is horrible for nontechnical users (which is why the AUR discourages AUR helpers)
Okay having an easily readable build file is a bit missing. Flathub hides that a lot.
I think their rating system, which is on the website and also GNOME Software, displays apps with
homeaccess as insecure.And somehow this seems to be general knowledge and an issue about a privilege escalation through a local override was just closed. Yay
Some of your points apply to Flathub too and i'm a technical people.
What points?
If an AUR package wants to install 137 python dependencies, I usually search for a flatpak instead.
Why is this the case? Have I been installing stuff wrong my entire life?
Beside what @[email protected] wrote:
-binpackage.@pineapplelover @infeeeee No, some people just don't want to install tons of packages just for an application they want to use to. The more package means the higher chance for system breakage. It's better checking dependencies and pkgbuild before install
Yeah but I thought if I installed it through AUR natively then it would be better since if other programs need those same dependencies, I wouldn't have to install them again.
Personally i like chaotic-aur because it's already pre compiled
The only aur packages on my is system is stacer-bin (the only cleaner i trust other than bleachbit)
Stacer for the win!
You can remove dependencies after install, at least in yay, I never do tho.
That's install dependencies (in PKGBUILD they are called
makedepends), python programs usually need them for runtime (dependsin PKGBUILD). On the main page of a package they are listed together, but on the PKGBUILD they are separate😁 I know (well that about two types of dependencies)
That python dependency seem more a upstream issue, not a AUR issue, isn’t it? I mean, if I install the same app from another source, it still needs those dependencies, isn’t it?
I just hate snaps lol
I don't care about flatpaks, overlays have everything
What is "overlays"? You can overlay packages with various package managers from many repos on many distros
https://overlays.gentoo.org/
I have just had bad experiences with flatpack so I don't want to use it and the aur has the stuff I need and flatpack dose not
Same. Ubuntu AND Fedora Libreoffice, SciDAVis and more where broken, not the Flatpaks.
Flatpak is really meant for the big GUI apps. No problem with small distro packages really. It just takes off the huge burdens of maintaining distro packages for like Libreoffice, which is as big as the Linux Kernel.
You need to be more specific.
You need to think about the background problem here.
When Google made Android, it was web based. Their "perfect sandbox" ironically has no internet toggle. They won tons of marketshare, and iOS is not different here, both restrict apps to containers and have permission systems to reach out of these containers to access sensors, files and other data.
Desktop operating systems are way older and have no such concept. We have mandatory access control with SELinux and Apparmor, but those are (I think) more complicated than Flatpak.
Flatpak is a solution for multiple problems of Desktop Linux Apps at once.
These are all extremely important points for a healthy, modern and secure Linux Desktop.
But there are also issues to every point:
homeor evenhost, allowing surveillance or trivial (even documented) privilege escalation. This is basically how apps like Flatseal work. Pulseaudio has no portal, do apps can listen to your mic whenever they want.If you have issues with flatpaks, you need to be more specific. Maybe it is a packaging issue, or you expect an app to do stuff that is not