Joker was really close to being a great movie, but was ultimately too confused about what it wanted its message to be. Unless the message was just "I'm fed up, let's get violent already".
That's the problem, it didn't have a real message. It was aping Taxi Driver and King of Comedy, and it copied the aesthetics of those films very well, but it was all superficial. It's a perfectly fine movie, but The Batman had deeper social commentary than Joker.
Because it tried and failed to say something profound about mental illness while imitating one of the most celebrated directors in American cinema. Not sure why you're pretending this was just another superhero blockbuster when it was clearly trying to be an Arthouse film
Horrific post. The movie was pretty horrific also because it's a pretty harsh look at a mentally unstable individual going down the rabbit hole of insanity and being hero-ized for it. SICK indeed.
And it's a movie about a very unstable individual who corrupts himself into murder as some kind of response to his various "problems." The movie doesn't sugar coat the filth and horror of his abhorrent behaviors.
I wasn't fond of the Joker movie since a lot of unstable people already idolized the character as though he was a role model...and worried the movie may turn him into a sympathetic anti-hero
Exactly. I feel the movie did try to make him unsympathetic in many ways, and I'm not saying I didn't like the movie, I really did. But it clearly made him not just an anti-hero but the butt of the whole joke of all the problems in his life. He himself caved in and became the lowest kind of scum, a murderer, because of his own innate character flaws in frankly, his stupidity.
I know people with many worse problems than he has and they don't corrupt themselves into murder as a result. There are ways of handling things in a healthy way, though of course that doesn't make for interesting movies.
You know, the nice thing about lemmy is when someone makes an ass of themselves, a substantially larger portion of the community gets to see it. Like you are right now.
Didn't trump have orange hair or something?
Bold of you to assume that thing on his head is "hair":-).
ALL HAIL THE HYPNOSLUG
Pre-xactly!THERE IS NO SUCH THING. STOP TALKING ABOUT HYPNOSLUGSWETHAT DO NOT EXIST.TBH I wouldn't really trust Trump with a gun.
BH I wouldn’t really trust Trump
with a gun.Woah calm the fuck down arthur is miles miles above trump
What's the original context of the image?
I think it's from JonTrons Star Wars video game series
Joker was really close to being a great movie, but was ultimately too confused about what it wanted its message to be. Unless the message was just "I'm fed up, let's get violent already".
Ngl, I think that was the message. As in "this is my backstory", end of story.
What made it good was perhaps more in how it was done.
Not every movie needs a moral of the story moment...
That's the problem, it didn't have a real message. It was aping Taxi Driver and King of Comedy, and it copied the aesthetics of those films very well, but it was all superficial. It's a perfectly fine movie, but The Batman had deeper social commentary than Joker.
Not sure why people expected hard hitting social commentary from The Joker
Because it tried and failed to say something profound about mental illness while imitating one of the most celebrated directors in American cinema. Not sure why you're pretending this was just another superhero blockbuster when it was clearly trying to be an Arthouse film
I remember when JonTron used to be funny
Horrific post. The movie was pretty horrific also because it's a pretty harsh look at a mentally unstable individual going down the rabbit hole of insanity and being hero-ized for it. SICK indeed.
...its a joke?
…it’s a movie about the origin story of the clown themed supervillain that fights Batman. Chill out.
It's licensed that way, but it's closer I spirit to being a spiritual remake of Taxi Driver than a comic book film.
And it's a movie about a very unstable individual who corrupts himself into murder as some kind of response to his various "problems." The movie doesn't sugar coat the filth and horror of his abhorrent behaviors.
Idk, I thought it was incredibly overrated. I’m not a superhero guy though.
It was overrated and I'm also not into the whole superhero thing. I'm still waiting for them to make a movie about something GOOD for a change.
I wasn't fond of the Joker movie since a lot of unstable people already idolized the character as though he was a role model...and worried the movie may turn him into a sympathetic anti-hero
Exactly. I feel the movie did try to make him unsympathetic in many ways, and I'm not saying I didn't like the movie, I really did. But it clearly made him not just an anti-hero but the butt of the whole joke of all the problems in his life. He himself caved in and became the lowest kind of scum, a murderer, because of his own innate character flaws in frankly, his stupidity.
I know people with many worse problems than he has and they don't corrupt themselves into murder as a result. There are ways of handling things in a healthy way, though of course that doesn't make for interesting movies.
OR... It's a silly haha joke meme about pop culture
You know, the nice thing about lemmy is when someone makes an ass of themselves, a substantially larger portion of the community gets to see it. Like you are right now.
How about you go and fuck yourself loser ? Can everyone else see this too you moron ?
I can also confirm seeing you throw a hissy-fit.
Boo hoo now cry.
Uh, yes. They can.
Get professional mental help.
This image is a fucking screen grab from a funny youtube video.
What did you think about the movie?
How would you score it?
Do you feel it's under, or over rated?
What made it so good to you?
The atmosphere of oppression?
The depiction of descent into nihilism, then rebellion?
The reflection of a society which pushes those who deviate from the norm, not just aside, but explicitly down?