DarthBlue007: Just based on the email, I assumed that while you used to be able to opt out of the "help us make a better product data" that's not going to be the case going forward.
Choice_Interview_671: With all this so-called data they collect it seems like they'd be able to put all of my games they lost on my headset when they unlinked my Facebook. It's been over 20 days now me asking for a supervisor. They have proof of my purchases so I don't understand why they can't just add them back on an email I provide them with. So ridiculous the customers service. At this point I don't know if I go to a lawyer better business bureau or what
DarthBlue007: It's from what I call "the big box mentality". Big companies don't give their employees enough training or authority to solve problems on their own making for a frustrating experience trying to get to someone high up enough to be able to do something. And that person is overloaded.
CaptainIncredible: I actually think they do collect something about ass size... BUT they associate your ass size with a couple of asterisks in your name to cover up a couple of letters... so its perfectly ok. :D
KTTalksTech: No more than cookies on any web browser or any other of the countless analytics services that now run on basically every single website. It's just a few packets of data sent once in a while to describe how you've been interacting with the device and various services. The good part is that it lets them know if something is more popular than expected or whether new features gain any interest. The bad part is that they're probably just gonna use the data to make advertising more effective.
josephjosephson: TBF, this should probably be illegal. When you go to the link, you are given an entire page of all their data collection policies, only one section which relates to the above email, and it then does not provide details but instead links out to another page which hasn’t been updated since 10/23 so it clearly does not describe these changes.
I have a Q3 and it’s linked to just an email account, but they can go F themselves either way.
NewShadowR: Let me tell you what feels even more illegal. Did you know by default, all screenshots and video are automatically uploaded into their servers? Say if you were to accidentally take or move a compromising video into your media folder, it goes up into the cloud within 3 seconds, syncs to your meta phone app. Even if you factory reset your quest, you are no longer able to delete that video. To delete a picture or video you must individually press unsync on the file in your quest media gallery. If you somehow delete it in any other way, then there is no way to delete it on your own.
viiksisiippa: That’s the biggest reason why Quest 3 has better passthrough. Just imagine all the data Meta is able to gather from your home. And to all you VR porn users, oh boy. Meta is Facebook after all.
Gloomy_Narwhal_719: I've been wanting to post my insane conspiracy theory, this is the perfect chance:
That bright flash as you boot the headset? It's on purpose. You can't tell me they don't have some sort of sensor that takes a "snapshot" of the person in the headset. Maybe just to see if it's an old user vs new, whatever, but I FULLY believe it's transferring some sort of sensor data "home" that has a "bit" of facial recognition.
KTTalksTech: You can literally take the headset apart and check whether there are any cameras or weird senors in there 🤦🏻♂️ it's not some magic black box. Also getting repeat photos of your face at every start-up seems like useless information...
There is a Quest model with more than a proximity sensor in it, the quest pro has cameras aimed directly at your pupils to know what you're looking at. The apple vision pro has a fancier version of that same setup that lets it track some facial movement as well to reproduce it on an avatar for that hideous outside screen.
Lujho: I can tell you that. There’s no user facing camera in the headset. If you want to go through the ifixit teardown video and show us where such a camera is, feel free.
Zquinkd: It's stuff like your sex, age, country, city, ethnicity, etc. Things that can't be used to identify you specifically. Versus things like your name, number, address, specific location, etc.
PrometheusAlexander: How many hours spent in Virt-A-Mate.. This will also be advertised on the Meta profile and all social services like Facebook and Instagram unless the user pays for premium membership.
Large-Style-8355: A random YouTuber and AVP reviewer found out the other day that Apple has his Fingerprints, Face Scan, Iris scan, private Fotos and videos, bank account etc. So what could possible go wrong with that? 🤷🏼♂️🤪
NeverComments: Biometrics are stored locally inside dedicated hardware on-device. That’s why you need to set everything up again every time you get a new device (while traditional credentials in the cloud keychain can be associated to an account and automatically carry over wherever you sign in).
The rest is just common sense - if you choose to upload your photos/videos to a service then they’re going to store your photos/videos.
Lujho: It doesn’t actually say they’re changing the way they’re collecting anonymized data. They’re saying they’re going to collect anonymized data in addition to what they already collect. From what they’re saying the data they’re currently collecting is not anonymized.
EviGL: The key distinction here is "required to work properly". Kinda like if you set new name and picture in your account, they have to save it linked to your account, otherwise it will just disappear. But under this disclosure they cannot save something that's not required for user-facing functionality.
Anonymized usage data would be something like user #746325 opened quest store at these times, used these filters in the dashboard etc. From a Product Manager perspective it would be really nice to have this statistics for the confirmed upcoming UI overhaul.
AquaRegia: It's anonymized, so it literally doesn't matter. And if you don't trust them to actually make it anonymous, then why would you trust any other explanation in this email?
Tenebris_Ultor: Does anyone know if this is a regional/device specific thing? I live in Canada and have a Quest 3, but haven't gotten an email about this.
-AdamTheGreat-: That’s the one thing that I hate about the Quest, that it’s owned by Meta. But then I remember that my entire house is bugged by Amazon.
We knew this was coming the moment Facebook bought Oculus. Fuckers can't help themselves.
Took them longer than expected tbf
DarthBlue007: Just based on the email, I assumed that while you used to be able to opt out of the "help us make a better product data" that's not going to be the case going forward.
Choice_Interview_671: With all this so-called data they collect it seems like they'd be able to put all of my games they lost on my headset when they unlinked my Facebook. It's been over 20 days now me asking for a supervisor. They have proof of my purchases so I don't understand why they can't just add them back on an email I provide them with. So ridiculous the customers service. At this point I don't know if I go to a lawyer better business bureau or what
scandrewlous: Pirate the games you lost. There’s no downside, and if you already paid for them you’re definitely not stealing.
DarthBlue007: It's from what I call "the big box mentality". Big companies don't give their employees enough training or authority to solve problems on their own making for a frustrating experience trying to get to someone high up enough to be able to do something. And that person is overloaded.
stulifer: Anonymized my ass.
CaptainIncredible: I actually think they do collect something about ass size... BUT they associate your ass size with a couple of asterisks in your name to cover up a couple of letters... so its perfectly ok. :D
colombient: Big bro be watching
RepresentativeDig859: Literally 1984
PrestigiousHandle332: Oh wow... Go find out
lforleee2004: The privacy boat sailed a decade ago
KTTalksTech: And before that they were just using your data without asking lol
VolcanicBear: What happened when you clicked the link the email told you to if you wanted to read more?
Pastaaaaaaaaaaaaa1: People do that?
VolcanicBear: I don't, because it is extremely unlikely that it will have an effect on my behaviour.
I would expect someone complaining about not being told what the changes are to though.
BeatsLikeWenckebach: Click the link
CHARpieHS: Lol, this
chingwo: https://www.meta.com/help/quest/articles/accounts/privacy-information-and-settings/additional-data-meta-quest/
FRK299: meanwhile Quest 3 owners, "what more data"
DesaCr8: Anyone in the EU got this?
VolcanicBear: Cries in Brexit, but no not in the UK either.
QuinrodD: Not yet, but being in the EU should allow us to opt out at least, if they even send it
ChrisRR: I suspect it's one of those things where you have to opt in to get software updates
SleepingGecko: GDPR does not cover truly anonymized data, so it may not be possible to opt out
Katalapentu: Not yet, atleast for me
SupaBrunch: “Would be nice to know what it is”… did you not read the last sentence of the email?
ILoveRegenHealth: But is it penile data or what. I don't like surprises.
ScriptM: Would this throttle my internet connection? Slow down speed? If it is constantly monitoring, it interferes with full speed
KTTalksTech: No more than cookies on any web browser or any other of the countless analytics services that now run on basically every single website. It's just a few packets of data sent once in a while to describe how you've been interacting with the device and various services. The good part is that it lets them know if something is more popular than expected or whether new features gain any interest. The bad part is that they're probably just gonna use the data to make advertising more effective.
sureiknowabaggins: No
josephjosephson: TBF, this should probably be illegal. When you go to the link, you are given an entire page of all their data collection policies, only one section which relates to the above email, and it then does not provide details but instead links out to another page which hasn’t been updated since 10/23 so it clearly does not describe these changes.
I have a Q3 and it’s linked to just an email account, but they can go F themselves either way.
NewShadowR: Let me tell you what feels even more illegal. Did you know by default, all screenshots and video are automatically uploaded into their servers? Say if you were to accidentally take or move a compromising video into your media folder, it goes up into the cloud within 3 seconds, syncs to your meta phone app. Even if you factory reset your quest, you are no longer able to delete that video. To delete a picture or video you must individually press unsync on the file in your quest media gallery. If you somehow delete it in any other way, then there is no way to delete it on your own.
You can read more about it here. Stay safe buddy.
viiksisiippa: That’s the biggest reason why Quest 3 has better passthrough. Just imagine all the data Meta is able to gather from your home. And to all you VR porn users, oh boy. Meta is Facebook after all.
Gloomy_Narwhal_719: I've been wanting to post my insane conspiracy theory, this is the perfect chance:
That bright flash as you boot the headset? It's on purpose. You can't tell me they don't have some sort of sensor that takes a "snapshot" of the person in the headset. Maybe just to see if it's an old user vs new, whatever, but I FULLY believe it's transferring some sort of sensor data "home" that has a "bit" of facial recognition.
No-Instruction9393: I think you want this sub: r/tinfoilhat
KTTalksTech: You can literally take the headset apart and check whether there are any cameras or weird senors in there 🤦🏻♂️ it's not some magic black box. Also getting repeat photos of your face at every start-up seems like useless information...
There is a Quest model with more than a proximity sensor in it, the quest pro has cameras aimed directly at your pupils to know what you're looking at. The apple vision pro has a fancier version of that same setup that lets it track some facial movement as well to reproduce it on an avatar for that hideous outside screen.
Lujho: I can tell you that. There’s no user facing camera in the headset. If you want to go through the ifixit teardown video and show us where such a camera is, feel free.
hawklost: Obviously they knew ifixit would tear one down and made sure that the people got one without a camera! /s
Zquinkd: It's stuff like your sex, age, country, city, ethnicity, etc. Things that can't be used to identify you specifically. Versus things like your name, number, address, specific location, etc.
KTTalksTech: Idk how current legislation stands on this but for a while location could be considered anonymous
OkayOctopus_: Oh great
kungurovv: Hi 🕳
PrometheusAlexander: How many hours spent in Virt-A-Mate.. This will also be advertised on the Meta profile and all social services like Facebook and Instagram unless the user pays for premium membership.
Large-Style-8355: A random YouTuber and AVP reviewer found out the other day that Apple has his Fingerprints, Face Scan, Iris scan, private Fotos and videos, bank account etc. So what could possible go wrong with that? 🤷🏼♂️🤪
NeverComments: Biometrics are stored locally inside dedicated hardware on-device. That’s why you need to set everything up again every time you get a new device (while traditional credentials in the cloud keychain can be associated to an account and automatically carry over wherever you sign in).
The rest is just common sense - if you choose to upload your photos/videos to a service then they’re going to store your photos/videos.
batuhun: your home, wife&husband , kids, dogs and cats...
Lujho: It doesn’t actually say they’re changing the way they’re collecting anonymized data. They’re saying they’re going to collect anonymized data in addition to what they already collect. From what they’re saying the data they’re currently collecting is not anonymized.
EviGL: The key distinction here is "required to work properly". Kinda like if you set new name and picture in your account, they have to save it linked to your account, otherwise it will just disappear. But under this disclosure they cannot save something that's not required for user-facing functionality.
Anonymized usage data would be something like user #746325 opened quest store at these times, used these filters in the dashboard etc. From a Product Manager perspective it would be really nice to have this statistics for the confirmed upcoming UI overhaul.
anxiety_ftw: Dear "Meta:"
Stop updating my shit.
AmeliaMaggie: When Quest finds out it’s utilized for porn 86% of the time, what do you think will do?
Mythril_Zombie: Rookie numbers.
KallaFotter: Train the best ai sex bot ever?
They 100% want all the data to train their ai models.
AquaRegia: It's anonymized, so it literally doesn't matter. And if you don't trust them to actually make it anonymous, then why would you trust any other explanation in this email?
CaptainIncredible: > It's anonymized, so it literally doesn't matter
Researchers have show repeatedly that 'anonymized' data can often be 'de-anonymized' pretty easy.
Consistent_Look8995: Fix the damn beeping that kicks you out of VR and stop with all this useless bullshit.
opticaIIllusion: So theres gunna be a whole team of engineers watching me jerk off to vr porn? For science
bisontruffle: queue the rage mob
Consistent_Evening94: The link ..... click the link.... Are you retarded
Tenebris_Ultor: Does anyone know if this is a regional/device specific thing? I live in Canada and have a Quest 3, but haven't gotten an email about this.
redditrasberry: Why not quest 3 !?
redditrasberry: Ok most likely because quest 3 owners already agreed to it as part of setup
-AdamTheGreat-: That’s the one thing that I hate about the Quest, that it’s owned by Meta. But then I remember that my entire house is bugged by Amazon.
InfameArts: Your location