I was at a Chinese restaurant on Rhodes about 15 years ago, where they served food windows update style.
We ordered off some menu written in Chinese and Greek letters and in a probably wrongly translated German too, so we had no idea of what we actually ordered. Just accepting the terms, right?
Then they started serving food.
We ate through 3 dishes and was about being full thinking this was a great deal, but then they just served another meal, and like, okay.. let's have a taste, and then it just kept coming in table servings instead of individual servings. Every time we emptied a plate theyd bring in something else. We never asked them for anything though.
A few servings in we realised how we'd misinterpreted the menu and said, ok enough is enough, and they were like "but you must have the dessert, it's part of the price, you already paid" (we hadn't actually paid then, but I suppose they meant"included") and so well we ate another three rounds of ice-cream, sugar-fried dumplings and fruit, to the point where I had to stand up and say "No more food! Please no more!", and the waiter was "More food yes coming up!". We stopped her and just stood up, throwing a bunch of money on the table according to our order and hoping it was enough. The waiter then came back with change.
Microsoft wouldn't return your change.
Anyway.. epilogue. I get it now. Chinese custom is to leave food when you're done and an empty plate is a request for more.
I was on Rhodes 2 years ago, and tried to find it again, but the restaurant seemed to be gone. There was a kebab shop instead.
Funny enough I had a very similar situation happen to me and a group of friends in Rhodes Greece, except at the end of the meal the bill came and it was exorbitantly expensive. We realized it was a scam but we were drunk and the food was really good so we payed and left.
You could install and configure the unattended-upgrades package to install updates in the background. I usually wouldn't recommend it on testing or unstable though. Works well on Debian stable since there's generally no breaking changes.
I do believe fedora is not as beginner friendly as mint or ubuntu, mainly in installer, nvidia driver installation, and codecs. You also need a third party app (tweak) to manage startup applications.
There is also not enough resource about the distro, as most resource is written for ubuntu. This can be another point of frustration for beginners.
Also gnome store is super slow and refreshes a lot, which is not a great introduction to linux.
But I do believe it is a great distro for people's first distro-hop.
I don't mean to be argumentative, but I don't believe you're correct on several points.
For example, if you're using the KDE version you don't have to worry about the Gnome store being slow. And the KDE version comes with its own app for managing startup applications, so no third party app is needed.
As far as ease of use of install, as long as you're not trying to repartition drives and you're taking all the defaults it installs really easily, and all you have to do is click a checkbox for third party drivers and that gets the Nvidia and codecs stuff installed.
I too started on a Ubuntu and then moved over the Fedora, and it seems like it has much better hardware support, especially for older hardware. I don't know if that's just IBM's influence or what, as I don't track the day-to-day of the two different distributions.
I only update Arch before installing new software, or when there's a news item about something requiring manual intervention.
So about once a month.
Every update is basically a complete reinstall.
No no, it just installs the new packages and everything works. Takes a minute. What I meant is, it installs new versions for basically every installed package.
That's one of my favorite things with Linux updates. Windows generally doesn't tell you post update install size but I doubt they're making the OS smaller.
The dopamine from updates is real. After using an arch based distro for awhile, I switched to one with weekly updates instead. I was surprised by how disappointing it was to check for updates and not have any available.
Arch together with btrfs or zfs (or in a few years, bcachefs) and snapshots is the way to go. You can just boot to a previous snapshot if something fails.
The end game here is of course NixOS, where the operating system itself provides a way to boot to an old configuration by default.
The updates were never the issue, It was having them get in the way of what you were currently doing.
I would say I don't remember updates bothering me as much back on Windows 7? I don't recall them suddenly shutting down my computer when I was in the middle of a game or work, Only to fail and hold my PC hostage for half an hour..
I've done massive updates on Linux, sometimes it asks me to restart when it's done, but I've never been forced to, I don't think, unless I'm updating to a whole new version of the OS.
Make sure the "Get the latest updates as soon as they're available" is off. I think it's off by default. That setting will reboot your computer no matter what as soon as the update is done installing.
Until you decide to make any changes, and discover that rpm-ostree refuse to terminate current upgrade. rpm-ostree cancel just triggers refresh-md, cancel again, and upgrade will be back. It is like fighting a hydra.
After waiting an hour to finish upgrade in the background, then we realized any operation will take like ten to twenty mins to complete. Also rebooting takes five minutes...
There's a bug in one of the most recent security updates on windows, something to do with the size of the recovery partition, so at the moment plenty of windows users aren't updating or failing to update, and it's not as if windows has fixed it yet either so most users are stuck waiting on it.
In other words: sometimes far too many updates, sometimes not enough (timely) updates, often broken updates.
I have a laptop that's suffered from that for a while now, so it's not just one update but a trend. Tried a number of things from clearing space to even a manual download on a USB to force it. It always reverts back to churning away trying to complete the update, restarting, and then reversing it. The irony is the laptop works fine until it comes time for it to check again, then repeat ad nauseam.
Chrome is the one I see all the freakin time on Linux .... sometimes it's once a week but it's more like every two weeks they completely update the entire software, get rid of the old and install a new version. It wouldn't be a big deal but if you've tweaked any changes with one version, they get wiped everytime which forces everyone to stick to the software and never change it ever at all.
For the record, I use Firefox and only keep Chrome if I need the browser for any reason ... like casting.
I think the devs know at this point people are gonna keep using it no matter what for the foreseeable future.
How else are you gonna talk to you friends? You really wanna be "that friend" who forces everyone else to download another program and make a new account?
They'll only fix issues if it shows up on a financial report.
The issue with matrix is it's unreliable. Text works, because it doesn't really matter if it arrives a minute or so late. Everything else kind of really sucks. The inability to decrypt my chats on all devices every now and then just straight up pisses me off. And they're not newly added devices - all of them have been signed into at the time of messages getting delivered!
Though I don't know if discord uses this specifically or rolls their own. Discord seems to auto update just fine until it's time for a bootstrap update.
Lol .... I never update it until I need it because I noticed it is perpetually updating. I only ever use it maybe one or twice a month so I don't update it until I actually want to use it.
Last time I ate "Mexican" food (prepared in Germany by non-Mexicans) it at least had color. Now, that looks delicious:
Except maybe the platter of brown slime.
The pale shades of brown and yellow in OP's picture do not look appetizing at all, let alone delicious (even if it might be).
I was at a Chinese restaurant on Rhodes about 15 years ago, where they served food windows update style.
We ordered off some menu written in Chinese and Greek letters and in a probably wrongly translated German too, so we had no idea of what we actually ordered. Just accepting the terms, right?
Then they started serving food.
We ate through 3 dishes and was about being full thinking this was a great deal, but then they just served another meal, and like, okay.. let's have a taste, and then it just kept coming in table servings instead of individual servings. Every time we emptied a plate theyd bring in something else. We never asked them for anything though.
A few servings in we realised how we'd misinterpreted the menu and said, ok enough is enough, and they were like "but you must have the dessert, it's part of the price, you already paid" (we hadn't actually paid then, but I suppose they meant"included") and so well we ate another three rounds of ice-cream, sugar-fried dumplings and fruit, to the point where I had to stand up and say "No more food! Please no more!", and the waiter was "More food yes coming up!". We stopped her and just stood up, throwing a bunch of money on the table according to our order and hoping it was enough. The waiter then came back with change.
Microsoft wouldn't return your change.
Anyway.. epilogue. I get it now. Chinese custom is to leave food when you're done and an empty plate is a request for more. I was on Rhodes 2 years ago, and tried to find it again, but the restaurant seemed to be gone. There was a kebab shop instead.
Funny enough I had a very similar situation happen to me and a group of friends in Rhodes Greece, except at the end of the meal the bill came and it was exorbitantly expensive. We realized it was a scam but we were drunk and the food was really good so we payed and left.
Yeah, common tourist trap BS.
Ubuntu Repos: Sometimes runs out of food or accidentally spills two trays together
Fedora Repos: New plates every week
Debian Repos: Same 3 meals that are 5 star rated
Arch Repos: A machine gun that continuously fires pulverized food at your mouth
Manjaro repos: The Arch machine gun, but it keeps jamming.
LOL "every week"?!, those are rookie numbers. Fedora is the distro that finally satisfied my update fetish.
Debian Trixie has daily (even multiple times a day) updates currently.
I update every once in a while. Still need to figure out an update schedule that checks every few hours
You could install and configure the
unattended-upgradespackage to install updates in the background. I usually wouldn't recommend it on testing or unstable though. Works well on Debian stable since there's generally no breaking changes.Hadn't breaking changes for over half a year. Don't expect really bad ones. And if then I can uninstall the package
Is there Debian Starlight?
I don't understand
Reference to two MLP characters who are friends: Trixie and Starlight Glimmer
Nope, Debian releases are all named after Toy Story characters.
At least libaom(reference AV1 encoder) names all releases after MLP characters
I was going to say the same thing. Almost daily updates, and never a crash or a lockup after a new update.
I'm honestly surprised more people don't use Fedora. (I'm using the KDE spin in case that matters to anyone.)
I do believe fedora is not as beginner friendly as mint or ubuntu, mainly in installer, nvidia driver installation, and codecs. You also need a third party app (tweak) to manage startup applications.
There is also not enough resource about the distro, as most resource is written for ubuntu. This can be another point of frustration for beginners.
Also gnome store is super slow and refreshes a lot, which is not a great introduction to linux.
But I do believe it is a great distro for people's first distro-hop.
I don't mean to be argumentative, but I don't believe you're correct on several points.
For example, if you're using the KDE version you don't have to worry about the Gnome store being slow. And the KDE version comes with its own app for managing startup applications, so no third party app is needed.
As far as ease of use of install, as long as you're not trying to repartition drives and you're taking all the defaults it installs really easily, and all you have to do is click a checkbox for third party drivers and that gets the Nvidia and codecs stuff installed.
I too started on a Ubuntu and then moved over the Fedora, and it seems like it has much better hardware support, especially for older hardware. I don't know if that's just IBM's influence or what, as I don't track the day-to-day of the two different distributions.
I only update Arch before installing new software, or when there's a news item about something requiring manual intervention.
So about once a month.
Every update is basically a complete reinstall.
Congratulation, you just invented atomic update.
Bro, what? You're doing something majorly wrong if everytime you update you have to treat it as a fresh install.
No no, it just installs the new packages and everything works. Takes a minute. What I meant is, it installs new versions for basically every installed package.
LFS: You are your own chef
sometimes the linux updates are negative calories
That's one of my favorite things with Linux updates. Windows generally doesn't tell you post update install size but I doubt they're making the OS smaller.
Sometimes I update and can no longer boot so I go outside, does that counf
no
You need some wintee boots, thats why.
Windows XP enjoyer: no updates 😎
...and malware out the wazoo.
Hopefully you enjoy it without internet connection
inb4 eternal blue 2: electric boogaloo
Windows: 1GB of download, one bug fix or two. Linux: 20MB, total refactor or some major feature
I would like the rice and bean update but not the other identical rice and bean plate that is rotated 180 degrees.
I find 23.3° is the optimal angle, thanks.
I find 22 is the ideal
You shouldn't use flatpaks then
Either way I'm getting diarrhea
Digestion issue, get a stronger stomach scrub. /s
Unironically, Lemmy's got a real evident fiber deficiency based on how many of you vibe with bowel complaints.
I get enough fiber, my ass is still trying to kill me
The dopamine from updates is real. After using an arch based distro for awhile, I switched to one with weekly updates instead. I was surprised by how disappointing it was to check for updates and not have any available.
Arch together with btrfs or zfs (or in a few years, bcachefs) and snapshots is the way to go. You can just boot to a previous snapshot if something fails.
The end game here is of course NixOS, where the operating system itself provides a way to boot to an old configuration by default.
When does Microsoft add another search bar? I need it so bad
I'm really hoping for that AI embedded sound control bar.
The updates were never the issue, It was having them get in the way of what you were currently doing.
I would say I don't remember updates bothering me as much back on Windows 7? I don't recall them suddenly shutting down my computer when I was in the middle of a game or work, Only to fail and hold my PC hostage for half an hour..
Windows' approach now being 'everything is a cumulative update, lol' is what I suspect makes it take so long for the updates to actually install now.
I've done massive updates on Linux, sometimes it asks me to restart when it's done, but I've never been forced to, I don't think, unless I'm updating to a whole new version of the OS.
Yeah, I only remember even being asked to reboot after kernel updates, and it isn't forced.
Make sure the "Get the latest updates as soon as they're available" is off. I think it's off by default. That setting will reboot your computer no matter what as soon as the update is done installing.
tbh the linux updates don't look terribly delicious either
Eh generic tex-mex rice and beans pretty good not great. Way better than it looks though.
Looks like mostly nachos
At leaat you can decline tho
Laughs in
unattended-upgradesWaiter feeding you through a tube x…x
Laughs in atomic distro with rpm-ostree auto updates and flatpaks with them too
Until you decide to make any changes, and discover that
rpm-ostreerefuse to terminate current upgrade.rpm-ostree canceljust triggersrefresh-md, cancel again, andupgradewill be back. It is like fighting a hydra.After waiting an hour to finish upgrade in the background, then we realized any operation will take like ten to twenty mins to complete. Also rebooting takes five minutes...
I use
rpm-ostree, BTW.That's not rpm-ostree, that is gnome-software
Laughs in Snap
Eat bad food, wake up with your wallet stolen.
Laughs in Quadriga CX 🥲
This isn't fair.
There's a bug in one of the most recent security updates on windows, something to do with the size of the recovery partition, so at the moment plenty of windows users aren't updating or failing to update, and it's not as if windows has fixed it yet either so most users are stuck waiting on it.
In other words: sometimes far too many updates, sometimes not enough (timely) updates, often broken updates.
I have a laptop that's suffered from that for a while now, so it's not just one update but a trend. Tried a number of things from clearing space to even a manual download on a USB to force it. It always reverts back to churning away trying to complete the update, restarting, and then reversing it. The irony is the laptop works fine until it comes time for it to check again, then repeat ad nauseam.
There's an easy fix for that
Yes. Throw out all electronic devices and go live as a shepherd.
Or just use GNU/Linux
I tried that, but it's just way too much effort to get Internet Explorer running on Wine.
You monster.
What version(s) of Windows are affected?
Didn't hear it it - and seldomly booting my windows...
--noconfirm makes this just an IV of goop straight into my computer's arm.
Please... no more. I can't possibly hold all these updates.
Chrome is the one I see all the freakin time on Linux .... sometimes it's once a week but it's more like every two weeks they completely update the entire software, get rid of the old and install a new version. It wouldn't be a big deal but if you've tweaked any changes with one version, they get wiped everytime which forces everyone to stick to the software and never change it ever at all.
For the record, I use Firefox and only keep Chrome if I need the browser for any reason ... like casting.
You clearly don't have Discord.
I think the devs know at this point people are gonna keep using it no matter what for the foreseeable future.
How else are you gonna talk to you friends? You really wanna be "that friend" who forces everyone else to download another program and make a new account?
They'll only fix issues if it shows up on a financial report.
I'm literally that friend! Just yesterday I set up a mumble server (it's called murmur!) purely out of disgust towards discord.
I've already made a Matrix account and talked to a few of my more paranoid friends about switching over.
But most of my gaming buddies are mostly content putting up with Discords shit for now.
The issue with matrix is it's unreliable. Text works, because it doesn't really matter if it arrives a minute or so late. Everything else kind of really sucks. The inability to decrypt my chats on all devices every now and then just straight up pisses me off. And they're not newly added devices - all of them have been signed into at the time of messages getting delivered!
That shit has so incompetent devs that they're updating the fucking .deb file instead of using the internal updater to push every update.
An entire update used to be something worthy, now it's all worthless.
That's all handled by Electron, which doesn't support the auto updater on Linux.
https://www.electronjs.org/docs/latest/api/auto-updater https://github.com/electron-userland/electron-builder/issues/1138
Though I don't know if discord uses this specifically or rolls their own. Discord seems to auto update just fine until it's time for a bootstrap update.
Ok but why so many bootstrap update when the most basic shit like "screen sharing with audio" is broken?
There's a secret json option to disable bootstrap updates. The flatpak turns this on.
Lol .... I never update it until I need it because I noticed it is perpetually updating. I only ever use it maybe one or twice a month so I don't update it until I actually want to use it.
At least they arent forced ;D
Repost
It's an update dude
I said it (at least) a dozen times (what is the repost frequency of this?), but, that food looks disgusting! Like from a dystopian scifi.
"Eat your platter of brown slime from the synthesizer and shut up!"
"Baby are you ok? You've barely touched your plate of beige
Brown slime?
You mean refried beans? They're in almost every cheap burrito known to man
You really need to get educated about Mexican food, because it's delicious! (Unless you're vegan, then there's very little Mexican food you can eat.)
It may be delicious but none of that looks appetizing and I eat Mexican food all the time from various restaurants.
Except that "delicious" is subjective, never mind that "Mexican food" is an awfully broad category.
Last time I ate "Mexican" food (prepared in Germany by non-Mexicans) it at least had color. Now, that looks delicious: Except maybe the platter of brown slime. The pale shades of brown and yellow in OP's picture do not look appetizing at all, let alone delicious (even if it might be).