Spyke
lemmy.world

TL;DR: right-wing hand-wringing over the app "turning the kids trans and lowering their IQ"

The author also has articles defending Israel and complaining about "woke ideology" if you need any more reason to skip it

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Billiamreply
lemmy.world

if you need any more reason to skip it

Nah, "Substack" was enough for me.

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TheFriarreply
lemm.ee

I mean, I read it. I don’t know anything about the author, but the article is interesting enough. Especially the part talking about how China see the US. It’s all spot-on: basically rudderless, paralyzed with empty addictions to endless commodification, how we’re basically on a disastrous path because we have no spiritual needs met and we fill that hole with mindless indulgences.

The country has become severed from its traditions and is so individualistic it can’t make up its mind what it as a nation believes. Without an overarching culture maintaining its values, the government’s regulatory powers are weak, easily corrupted by lobbying or paralyzed by partisan bickering. As such, the nation’s progress is directed mostly by blind market forces… Thus, by turning everything into a product, Western capitalism devours every aspect of American culture, including the traditions that bind it together as a nation, leading to atomization and polarization. The commodification also devours meaning and purpose, and to plug the expanding spiritual hole that this leaves, Americans turn to momentary pleasures—drugs, fast food, and amusements—driving the nation further into decadence and decay.

Now, while all that is true, this person (china’s apparent “societal teacher” or something like that) has the wrong answer:

Wang wrote that the only way a nation can avoid the US’s problems is by instilling “core values”—a national consensus of beliefs and principles rooted in the traditions of the past and directed toward a clear goal in the future….To prevent China’s own technological advancement leading it down the same perilous path, Wang proposed an extreme solution: neo-authoritarianism.

That’s the most cynical possible takeaway from this very real problem. The answer, if you ask me, is not limiting people’s ability to indulge, but by offering spiritual fulfillment. That means taking those blind market forces and putting a short leash on them. Instead of letting the market lead us all astray, chain the markets and work for the betterment of society, not for profit.

In short, curtail capitalism.

The article was interesting. I’d suggest you guys read it.

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I did read the full article and am not convinced.

  1. The entire thing is predicated on the idea that TikTok is a feminizing, intelligence-destroying superweapon that can single handedly bring down civilizations (the only evidence cited are spurious correlations that treat IQ as a real science)

  2. Even if you take that as the average view of the US in China, it's still a leap to say they are, either actively or passively, planning the downfall of the US when the two countries are so entwined. It's just more US vs China fearmongering

  3. While he does say that TikTok needs to be regulated, nowhere does he advocate for larger scale curtailing of capitalism, and in fact ties all of his negative authoritarian points to socialism. It's singling out TikTok for the larger sins of an unregulated tech industry

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lemmy.world

TL;DR

THE CHINESE ARE ENDING THE WORLD WITH LIP SYNCING AND STUPID VIDEO CHALLENGES I AM VERY SCARED

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lemmy.world

The only politics I learned on Tiktok was left leaning capitalism and basic socialist ideas.

If that's radical then Lemmy is worse.

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fox2263reply
lemmy.world

Incredible right wing MAGA Russia brainwashing diatribe. Honestly. You watch one video and the algorithm has you. All I get is fake news pressed as fact and the comment sections are atrocious. Oh and flat earth videos. I wish I could get some left wing stuff, it would make me a lot happier. I can see how people would fall in to a pit of despair and believe everything they see on TikTok.

I’ve heard “kids these days” don’t even google stuff any more, just search it on TikTok and have something explain it to them, wether it’s true or false.

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Part of me wants to investigate, but I'll be damned if I'm going to mess up my algorithm. I wonder if I can have a second account somehow.

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RedFoxreply
infosec.pub

Ha! I feel like there isn't anyone who isn't considered a fascist on Lemmy 😉

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RedFoxreply
infosec.pub

Go on...

What are you scared of?

Why would you assume I didn't understand the idea of an anonymous account?

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bionicjoeyreply
lemmy.ca

You ever read 1984? You remember the bit about newspeak? Well go have a conversation with a zoomer sometime and pay attention to the word choice they use for controversial subjects like suicide and murder (self/other unalive), depression (big sad), pornography (corn), neurodivergence (neurospicy), etc.

I'm not saying TikTok is solely to blame, but content recommendation algorithms are definitely warping the language people use. Almost all of these genZ slang terms originated as weasel words to talk about these touchy subjects without getting deplatformed by an algorithm designed to keep things advertiser-friendly

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It's true that it's affecting language, but if anything it shows that trying to force newspeak doesn't really work. People get creative.

In monocultures like most of China, it can work locally, such as in suppression of knowledge of the Tiananmen Square Massacre, but outside their direct control they can't stop the signal.

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lemmy.world

"Every new word the kids use is literally 1984" - an idiots guide to linguistics.

The words you mentioned were made to appease the extremely sensitive sensibilities of advertisers, not really the effect of a government conspiracy.

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Except the politicians are in the pockets of the corporations that own the platforms, so in a roundabout way it is.

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The fun part is that China doesn’t allow most or the stuff that TikTok is famous for in China, limits minors to 40 mins a day and does not allow access from like 10pm-6am. It’s telling that they have no problem allowing the app to bypass those restrictions in other countries.

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TikTok sucks. I knew it from the start. Now im struggling because I cant get any of my friends to leave it behind.

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catloafreply
lemm.ee

It's a garbage article from a garbage author on a garbage platform, and it's not really about technology in the first place.

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Altima NEOreply
lemmy.zip

And if it wasn't TikTok, it would be something else. There's always a bogeyman.

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