I'll try to explain this as quickly and correctly as I can
Sov cits believe their name does not represent themselves, but actually a stock/ commodity that belongs to the US government
They believe this stock to be valued at GDP/population
These "coupons" are instructions to whatever entity they don't want to pay, informing said entity that they should request the funds from aforementioned stock under the Sov Cit's name.
I don't think these people think they're trying to scam anyone or get away with "not paying". They genuinely think that every citizen has an equal share of the US's GDP and can just use it like cash.
In very simple terms (explained by someone who also doesn't have an amazing grasp on macroeconomics), a country's GDP is the value of everything they produced for a given time period. So a country can owe a shit ton of money to other countries and will pretty much always have a positive GDP. When people say there was a negative GDP they probably mean it went down from last year.
Which means these people's "logic" essentially grants them infinite money. The US economy could be in shambles, GDP decreasing every year, but they would somehow always be entitled to tens of thousands of dollars.
IDK, I grew up in rural poor white areas, but this wasn't ever really a thing. I'm wondering if there's some cultural overlap I'm unaware of, or maybe regional ones.
There are definitely regional groups of sov cits. They aren't necessarily organized groups, but the scams are typically perpetrated by "gurus" who sell documents and things to their believers, which resulted in certain regional twists on sov cit rhetoric.
This legal opinion documents a number of the gurus in Canada and their lines of argument.
This is correct. Some of the sov cits themes and beliefs have origins in other movements but the proliferation of these beliefs was the result of mail order scams that targeted people who didn't know better who had been charged with crimes.
It's a symptom of institutional racism and systemic poverty. It originally started out as a mail order scam targeting people with no education who had been charged with crimes, people who are desperate and willing to believe anything of they think it will help, so it has proliferated in the black community predominantly, including through prisons via "inmate lawyers."
I'm so torn about these fuckers. On the one hand, they're so entertainingly batshit; on the other hand, they must give CEOs everywhere migraines with the dumbfuck letters they send.
No, wait... I'm not conflicted at all. I love these village idiots.
It's like the Flat Earth Society expanded into the Financial Advice business or something.
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Idiots, they forgot the red text has to be at a 45° angle.
Only if you live in Raleigh, North Carolina
Smh my head
I don't get it. Are they more or less saying to bill the CFO for their own bill? How does that even make sense in their heads?
I'll try to explain this as quickly and correctly as I can
Sov cits believe their name does not represent themselves, but actually a stock/ commodity that belongs to the US government
They believe this stock to be valued at GDP/population
These "coupons" are instructions to whatever entity they don't want to pay, informing said entity that they should request the funds from aforementioned stock under the Sov Cit's name.
I don't think these people think they're trying to scam anyone or get away with "not paying". They genuinely think that every citizen has an equal share of the US's GDP and can just use it like cash.
Isn't this country like severely in a massive amount of fucking debt??
Yes, but a country being in debt does not translate to a negative GDP
Ahhh, I see. I know as much about economics as these idiots know about, well anything. Thanks!
No worries.
In very simple terms (explained by someone who also doesn't have an amazing grasp on macroeconomics), a country's GDP is the value of everything they produced for a given time period. So a country can owe a shit ton of money to other countries and will pretty much always have a positive GDP. When people say there was a negative GDP they probably mean it went down from last year.
Which means these people's "logic" essentially grants them infinite money. The US economy could be in shambles, GDP decreasing every year, but they would somehow always be entitled to tens of thousands of dollars.
It didn’t work. Because he’s supposed to include a coupon for Trix cereal. He woulda known that, but Trix are for kids.
They also didn't mention having written some bullshit at a 45° angle
Honest, unloaded question. I've noticed over the years that there are a lot of black people that are sov cits. Is there a particular reason why?
Yes, several of them are a branch of the Moorish Science Temple. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/moorish-sovereign-citizens
they really made up their own history
Check out the black Hebrew Israelites for another comical example.
Just a guess, but because of systematic racism, many black people live in impoverished areas which means the schools have a lot less funding.
No, it's from the Moorish Science Temple: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/moorish-sovereign-citizens
IDK, I grew up in rural poor white areas, but this wasn't ever really a thing. I'm wondering if there's some cultural overlap I'm unaware of, or maybe regional ones.
I think sovereign citizens are a fairly recent thing?
They've been around at for at least 20 years. I remember seeing some stuff around 9/11 era
Yeah, but not as prevalent as it is now.
Correct. Time moves forward.
Well, that's technically a matter of perspective.
Regardless, not all things increase in prevalence as the years roll by.
The Internet has let these crazies spread like no other thing.
There are definitely regional groups of sov cits. They aren't necessarily organized groups, but the scams are typically perpetrated by "gurus" who sell documents and things to their believers, which resulted in certain regional twists on sov cit rhetoric.
This legal opinion documents a number of the gurus in Canada and their lines of argument.
https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html
This is correct. Some of the sov cits themes and beliefs have origins in other movements but the proliferation of these beliefs was the result of mail order scams that targeted people who didn't know better who had been charged with crimes.
It's a symptom of institutional racism and systemic poverty. It originally started out as a mail order scam targeting people with no education who had been charged with crimes, people who are desperate and willing to believe anything of they think it will help, so it has proliferated in the black community predominantly, including through prisons via "inmate lawyers."
Same here, I expected this to be an old white man’s game
I'm so torn about these fuckers. On the one hand, they're so entertainingly batshit; on the other hand, they must give CEOs everywhere migraines with the dumbfuck letters they send.
No, wait... I'm not conflicted at all. I love these village idiots.
My friend deals with them sometimes in the course of her job, says they make her laugh because nothing ever works for them.