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lemmy.world

It's like something out of some sick comedy sketch. Except with actual human suffering.

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sh.itjust.works

Officials with Southern Regional Medical Center issued a statement saying that “this unfortunate infant death occurred in utero prior to the delivery and decapitation,” and said that the doctor who delivered the baby, Tracy St. Julian is not “and never has been” an employee of the hospital.

I wish it was.

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it's common for doctors in private practice to have privileges at local hospitals to practice, see patients, perform procedures, surgeries, etc.

part of that doctor's service fee is paid to the hospital for this privilege.

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SeaJreply

I love that they are going with the "it's not the OB's fault and even if it were, they don't work for us." That guide is actually worse than if they just denied it was their fault. What they admitted is that they admitted a woman who was in labor and did not assign a doctor to her but instead let a random woman help deliver and decapitate the baby. That is a systemic issue and clearly the people managing the hospital should be named from operating any hospital ever again.

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lemmy.world

The article indicates that it was full separation

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The lawsuit claims doctors “pulled on the baby’s head and neck so hard and manipulated them so hard, that the bones in the baby’s skull, head and neck were broken.”

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According to the medical examiner’s report, the baby’s death was caused by the “fracture-dislocation” of his upper cervical spine and spinal cord.

It most certainly does not.

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Wait... What? I swear the article previously said the torso was removed via c section and the head vaginally... I'm confused.

Edit: I forgot I read it in the article linked in this thread by @[email protected] instead of the OP article.

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lemmy.ml

Yes, it actually by definition does. An internal decapitation doesn't mean the head was removed, but a decapitation does mean the head was removed from the body. That's how the terminology works.

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The two are often used interchangeably by journalists, which is why the reminder is necessary.

According to the linked article (which is not a good article) it was internal decapitation, although another source says it was a complete separation.

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midwest.social

The bit that makes me not want to give the benefit of the doubt is the fact that they had lost fetal heart tones an hour before going to C-section. For a delivery like this with a couple known complications going into it, the threshold to go to the OR should be much lower. Also, as barbaric as it is, something like an episiotomy could have averted this death.

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sh.itjust.works

An episiotomy is a cut (incision) made in the tissue between the vaginal opening and the anus during childbirth. This area is called the perineum. Although an episiotomy was once a routine part of childbirth, that's no longer the case.

Wow

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Like I said, it's kind of barbaric, but it can be used as an intermediate measure if there's something like shoulder dystocia but the mother is against or hesitant about going to C-Section. These days, the episiotomy incision is made at a very specific angle so as to preserve function of the pelvic floor muscles, and it can also be used as an intervention or prophylaxis against perineal tearing which is more likely to damage the pelvic floor muscles and lead to complications.

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At least asking the husband if he wants the doctor to "tighten her up a bit" by stitching the perineum up further than nomal has fallen out of fashion.

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LOL, wait till you see your wife get cut in real time. Jesus. All I saw was a flash of steel.

"Uh, what was that? Oh hell no..."

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midwest.social

I'm saying that they should have gone to C-Section or episiotomy long before it got to that point. This was already known to be a higher risk delivery, and the first sign of shoulder dystocia or other complication should have been the time to elevate the level of care....not several hours later.

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lemmy.world

"Officials... said that the doctor who delivered the baby, Tracy St. Julian is not “and never has been” an employee of the hospital."

How does that work?

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lemmy.world

A doctor can have practice rights at a hospital but not work for the hospital. So the OBGYN can deliver babies and do C-sections and such but isn't an employee of the hospital.

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sh.itjust.works

And that's enough for the hospital to think they're not responsible for what they do in their building?

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No they are just trying to draw a definitive line between the two entities. Doctors private practice vs the hospital. Probably for legal reasons but mostly for PR reasons. You know so they can argue that there was nothing to indicate Dr. Bebe Decapitator would decapitate a baby prior to actually doing so and that the doctor was very much a really real doctor that knew medical stuff so please don't make us pay lotses of money for the doctor doing a naughty.

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lemmy.world

It's a way to make it sound like it wasn't their fault for hiring bad doctors

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lemmy.world

Doctors can have the right to practice medicine in multiple hospitals. That does not make those doctors employees.

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Bullshit. I don't care what the legal definition of employee is, who authorized the doctor to work there? That's right, the hospital did. If the hospital doesn't want their reputation tied to shitty doctors, then don't let shitty doctors into your hospital.

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lemmy.world

If I know my movies and TV shows, you go into the locker room and steal someone's lab coat and everyone thinks you belong.

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SeaJreply
lemm.ee

I concur. Do you concur?

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Or your boss invites your estranged wife to just work there without telling anyone she's coming. Oh and then you hire the guy she slept with. And everyone is fucking everyone all the time. Including patients.

I swear, if Seattle Grace had an HR department they're probably all alcoholics.

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In my area, I don't think any doctors are employees of the hospital. The way it was explained to me was that it's not allowed.

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sopuli.xyz

Ok, so from the article, the doctor attempted to puke that baby out and decapitated in the process. They had to do a c section to get the body out separately. The doctor then just tells the parents the baby died, not how it died. The parents find out at the nursing home the baby was decapitated.

So they hire a pathologist to do a post mortem analysis on the body and the pathologist POSTS GRAPHIC PHOTOS OF THE BODY ON HIS INSTAGRAM.

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the doctor attempted to puke that baby out

Well that's... quite the visual.

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The previous article about the story that this one links to says the doctor not only lied, they also tried to cover it up by wrapping the baby up so tightly the parents couldn’t tell its head wasn’t attacked, and saying they couldn’t get the free autopsy they were eligible for and that they should cremate the body. Wtf.

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lemmy.world

Are you unfamiliar with human anatomy, or just an edgelord?

Edit: copy edgelord

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quirzlereply
kbin.social

From the article linked in the OP:

“When they wrapped the baby up tightly, they propped the baby’s head on top of the blanket to make it appear like the head was attached when it wasn’t,” attorney Dr. Roderick Edmond said.

Definitely doesn't sound like an "internal decapitation" to me. What a strange thing to lie about.

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midwest.social

I don't think it was a lie, per se. Probably just a misinterpretation or misunderstanding.

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kbin.social

Possible, but given the unwarranted confidence in the earlier comments and the "Couldn’t give a shit" in response to being shown to be inaccurate, I'm not inclined to give the user in question the benefit of the doubt.

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Yeah, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but a peek at the modlog entries for that user leads me to believe that they just made assumptions and didn't care to check that they were correct before commenting.

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I knew I had read somewhere before that the baby was physically decapitated; thank you for the link.

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lemmy.ca

Thanks for that very relevant info, MedicPigBabySaver.

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But it wasn’t internal. It was a full decapitation. NOW, when you’re wrong and it’s not “clickbait,” you “couldn’t give a shit.”

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I didn't even know that was possible. Are they really that delicate that you can decapitate them just by pulling? That's horrifying.

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Based on the article the doctor spent hours pulling and contorting the baby's head. So, Im guessing that no it's not something you can do just by pulling i.e. something went very wrong here, hence an investigation and possibly criminal charges in the near future.

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