Disqualifying Trump Is Not Antidemocratic | But ignoring the Constitution to please his supporters would be a complete breakdown of the rule of law.
What the people who now want us to ignore the Fourteenth Amendment are arguing is that certain aspects of the Constitution ought to be nullified merely by their unpopularity—not even necessarily among a majority of voters but among a subset of extra-special voters. This is not a standard applied to any other aspect of the American Constitution in any other circumstance. It is an entirely novel standard invented for the benefit of Donald Trump. In effect, they are arguing for a set of unwritten Trump Rules that would exempt the former president from broadly applicable standards.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/01/constitution-democracy-trump-colorado-ruling/677074/?gift=Je3D9AQS-C17lUTOnl2W8Mk_aiYHzvWwUCRyn5Rw0IYOpen linkView original on slrpnk.net
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Trump supporters have to be made to face the fact that they betrayed us all
Some Nazi party members had to be walked through concentration camps to convince them of their wrongdoings.
Many still didn't believe that they were in the wrong. They shed some crocodile tears and moved on.
Honestly I dont think this is really surprising. At some level, just about all humans want to think of themselves as being good people, or at least not horrible. Accepting that one has done something that heinous is such a horrible truth that it isnt hard to imagine some people just refusing to accept it no matter what they are shown, and if denial that the crime happened is no longer available, because the evidence is right in front of one's face, some of those people will go to any absurd length to believe that it was justified somehow, or that they were somehow innocent of it. This isnt a defense or excuse for those people of course, those people deserved none, just a statement that it isnt really unexpected that some would act that way given the circumstances.
Wasn't this a precedent set after the Civil War?
Well, the slavers didn't bother with the crocodile tears.
Not really. Johnson totally screwed up Reconstruction, because he was a Confederate supporter.
And much of the surrounding German populations by decree from Eisenhower to make sure they couldn't deny it ever happened.
It's crazy with amount of documentation, Nazis record keeping, and film denial is stronger today.
Saying the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to Trump is textbook Special Pleading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading
He's guilty of even more... and should be hanging from the gallows.
Surely the law and order party will stick to the letter of the law. Surely.
With "more than 25 women who have accused Trump of sexual assault or misconduct (which he has denied), and the countless more who have endured public vitriol and threats to their life after being targeted by him, have all been punished either for challenging him or for denying him what he fundamentally believed was his due" law and order is the least of their concerns.
It's a really good article and everyone should read it in full.
What if Bush got to just decide after the votes were tallied if he wanted the electoral college to apply for that election cycle or not? The rules agreed to before an election are by definition democratic. It would be undemocratic to day "well we have always played by the rules but this time they don't favor me so let's just not use that rule this time?"
It's weird you pick Bush when that election also wasn't a democratic process. The US Supreme Court decided who would be the president - as it is trying to do again.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore#:~:text=The%20Court%20ruled%205%E2%80%934,as%20provided%20in%203%20U.S.C.
I just picked a name, but yes someone like Kerry or Clinton would make more sense as they literally would have won their elections if they could have just flipped a switch to turn the EC off.
We really need to stop being afraid of how his supporters might react and just deal with it when it happens.
They want to start a civil war? Ok let's see how well their rip-off semi-auto tacticool AR-15s do against the US National Guard and a few predator drones.
If Trump is DQ'd Biden loses the general. It's thats simple, and the Democrats know this. Trump needs to win the primary for Biden to be viable at all. Shockingly they learned little from 2016.
Regardless of your self serving attitude towards the law, just like the Trumpers, you're just full of it, the whole Republican bench is trash. MAGA wants Trump and no one else.
How is that self serving? I want him gone, its the elected Democrats who dont. Don't assume things you didn't read on my comment. Stop distracting and acknowledg this is a purposeful move by Democrat leadership. They don't want him DQd and have said so publicly.
Its like him being charged with illegal possession of a firearm as a felon, but without being convicted of any felonies. This is going out of order, and a lot of voters are going to see one political side outright suppressing the other electorally.
I don’t give a fuck if the people who tried to steal the votes of 81,000,000 Americans who for Biden “feel” suppressed. Stealing elections has consequences.
And committing felonies has consequences, but you have to be convicted to face them.
Right now you're the one who "feels" like he tried to steal the election, while objectively a frontrunner candidate is being removed from the democratic process.
I don't feel like he needs to be convicted though. It's already been determined in court that he participated in the insurrection. The law doesn't say he needs to be convicted either, only participate; It's an automatic disqualifier. The criminal conviction would be a separate thing.
We need speedier trials to ensure we get that insurrection conviction before the election. Or, at the least, he’s in jail for one of the 90+ felony charges.
He was found guilty of violating the 14th amendment by the judge in Colorado.
It's like he's being charged with illegal possession of a firearm as a felon, after being found guilty of being a felon in possession of a firearm.
No due process was skipped.